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i mean, i didn't... i wasn't afraid of people and i wasn't afraid of the world. i wasn't afraid of, um... ..stepping out and having opinions about things. 0k. well, that lack of fear and stepping out is very much reflected in your work. you have a very innovative, experimentative approach to your work, and you forge figures in bronze, for instance, using animal bones and vegetable matter. mm—hm. you know? and we're looking at adam and eve from 1958, which is being shown publicly for the first time, and it depicts two figures entwined underneath a tree canopy. and you completed that whilst you were at the american academy in rome. but, you know, art critics, barbara, find it very hard to describe the genre of your work. how would you, in a nutshell, describe it? it is hard to describe. and it changed so much over