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we began by trying to make sense and interpret sometimes complicated statistics when it comes to hunger and extreme poverty. you'll know that there are data analysts, economists, social scientists, who look at the data, despite what you've said about the last year, and they are real optimists about the future of humanity. i'm thinking about people like hans rosling and steven pinker. you're at the front line of all of this. are you an optimist or a pessimist about the future of us as a species? so i am an optimist, and i think we can take the actions necessary to address climate change, to deliver a far more equitable planet. i mean, you talked about the sort of history of radical ideas — if we were sitting here 50, 60 years ago and we said what we really need is an international system for aid, where rich countries put aside a portion of their budgets to finance development around the world, people would have said, that's unrealistic, that's naive, it's never going to happen. and yet we've delivered an aid system. if we'd said a few years ago, there's no way that rich countries would agree to a loss and damage fund to pay