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by the way, i've been inside that stadium, and it's a sight to behold. 150,000 people or something. but we know this about the -- now the ruler of north korea, that he was educated outside the country. that's when he became a basketball fan. we knew before he ascended to this role that he was a big fan of basketball. and he knows who dennis rodman is. how many world leaders even know who dennis rodman is. he's also -- he loves movies, as did his father. his predecessor in this role. when one goes to north korea, even to this day, if you're even hoping for an interview, or get in the presence of the supreme leader, you're always advised, take along some really good new movies, and that will give you your best chance. >> dennis rodman's taking a lot of flack. i'm not defending him and i think he was very naive about the way it's played out. having said that, i think it is encouraging there is any dialogue with north korea. the more you know about this country, probably the better. >> i agree.

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