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pictures now? some photographs? >> the impact of the interview at the time was, i would say, pretty muted. it didn't get a lot of play because at the time, of course, he hadn't really done anything. imagine if in 1937 the japanese army had gone on nbc or rko to say hey, we are planning to attack the united states, pearl harbor might have turned out differently. these guys repeatedly said publicly we are planning to attack the united states and no one paid any attention. >> there is no doubt in that office in that moment that this is what we were waiting for. this is it. those are the words that went through everybody's mind. this is it. this is bin laden. [ jackie ] it's just so frustrating...