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and the reality is, nine times out of ten, this guy would have been returned to us by hong kong. >> if edward snowden's name was lee chung and he came from shanghai with four laptops full of china's secrets? they would have said, off you go, you're going straight back without trying to analyze the political gain? >> i think we would, piers. it would be different if he was 1350iing on us, we caught someone from china, russia, ecuador, cuba spying in the united states, we're not going to return them. if he had revealed their secrets. you know, if he had made a revelation about china's programs el lily, and china wanted him back, and we had a sense that he was going to be treated fairly in china, i think we would send him back, i mean, the fact is, if he's sent back to the united states he's going to be treated fairly. he's going to have a trial, he's