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ceiling. why? during a shutdown, mandatory spending wouldn't be affected. that means seniors could still get their social security payments. but that's not the case if the debt ceiling is not raised. there would be no spending once the government runs out of money on hand. when is that? october 17th. that's when they'll have maybe $30 billion on hand, and the government can't borrow any more money. that means just like when your bank account is empty and you can't find any extra source of cash, the government will have to stop paying some of its bills, bills like our interest payments on some of our debt. we wouldn't be able to pay interest to china on massive loans. what about social security? there are people who might not get social security checks. medicare and medicaid. 110 million people are on one of those programs. what could be worse is we don't know the reaction from the markets. how many hundreds of billions of dollars could we owe in borrowing costs if interest rates rise? we don't know until we get there, and by then, the damage