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>> that doesn't necessarily mean they'll vote that way. >> no, but if push came to shove and they needed the votes and if they thought republicans would provide those 20 to 25, whatever they need, then i think you'd have to say they would do it. because they're whole thing is we don't want the government to shut down. they could always argue, we're going to come back and deal with those budget issues at some later date. >> is it for sure, dana, i know you've been counting the democrats. 195 democrats at least would vote in favor of what we're calling this clean bill? >> well, they signed a letter suggesting that that's exactly what they would do. and the democratic leadership forced that. i mean, they got this letter going. and to pass it around to prove that very thing. so, presumably, they would vote the way they said they would in this letter, that they released over the weekend. but one thing i think is also important to point out, wolf, is that obviously, the government