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we say that donald trump is number two in the polls and he is. and i agree with that because that makes him somewhat legitimate even though a lot of us cringe at the idea of even saying that let's put it in context, guys. there's 14 declared candidates right now. being number two in the polls means having 10%, 12%. it's not like he's at 40%. >> how do you explain how he's leap frogged the over people? >> he's entertaining. he's a celebrity. let's remember what the republican primary was like in 2012. there was a time when rick sanatorium -- he is like watching a horror show the kind of thing i want to watch through fingers in front of my face. i've been fighting with donald