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foreign policy plan and not -- and saying they don't need to know the names of various foreign terror leaders. >> you know, one of the things we know is the very first day, hillary clinton even said this in her speeches, the president -- the next president will be tested. so january 21st, 2017 is a very important day for the next president of the united states. you have to have a good basic understanding of the challenges and the nuances, if you're running around saying we're going to send the 101st airborne division to solve all the world's problems, you have a problem or if you say we're not doing anything at any time, you have a problem. you have to have a nuance understanding of national security. it does drive you crazy when the candidates don't spend the time they need to spend to have a better understanding to engage in this topic. >> when hugh hewitt was talking