he served in desert storm with the 101st airborne division. and got into the reserves while he did some activities in and around the washington area. he was in the washington, d.c., reserve group. he served a total of about 20 years in the army reserve, he has a good feel for the building. having been a liaison to raytheon corporation. he was a soldier, also was a businessman. and as connected to the heritage group in d.c. however, what i'd say is, there's a vast difference between being secretary of the army and being secretary of defense. army is an internal role focused on maintaining carrying and equipping one branch of the military. the secretary is more of a policy making role, certainly national security policy that will be a step for mr. esper as he fulfills that position.