essential dormant. but that's more information about the suspect from el paso. olivia, wesley and nicole are here with me. when we talk about the political preferences about a gunman, it doesn't necessarily mean a lot. it's worth noting, but doesn't mean a lot. >> sure. i think it's difficult for us to speculate about what drove him. all we know is that he did it. we know what actions he took. we know the effect it's had on the country and these family directly affected. >> and i think we have to ask -- these are white men in both cases. wesley, if they had been a black man, i think we would be calling it terrorism a lot faster. >> and a rhetorical question here a. well as a tactical and political question. first you see questions like the governor in texas, that it's too early to make it about politics. it's hard to believe if there