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basically this president, right? >> i'm very confident he'll be primaried and no one's going to make those announcements until after -- >> he's saying, okay, listen i want to go up against him, i'm not sure he's going to decide on labor day. how do you convince someone like that? >> well, i think the primary note is the conventional wisdom if you go into a primary you're like a republican crash dummy but the president has a very tired script, it's a bullying script. he says the same thing about everybody. he didn't know this person, this person is a flat slob, it's tired now. you're in your third or fourth season of it and it's sort of very, very tired. >> in your last rally he didn't have the same energy -- >> he knows people hate him. when he's in the rally he's saying you love me or hate me, you're going to vote your 401k,