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rally getting debated here. so, you have that aspect of it, which is traditionally more of a speech issue that isn't really being fought. as to why they're there -- and this is something i think that's critical to look at. these cases should have a reason, okay? and whether that reason is hard and fast business damages, ie lost opportunities, which both sides are certainly talking about, or vindication of principle or vindication of reputation, that should be driving the case. like any case, you should have a goal and a result you're looking for with your client. and i don't know. and i think this is what's fascinating about this case. ultimately speaking after -- what are we, 19 days into the trial or something like that? and i don't know that you ever come out of this as a winner because this toxic relationship is just being vetted for the whole world the see. the respective fan bases are going to be fine. but to what end?