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>> i believe it's a fundamentally view and perspective. when you look at average americans -- i'm happy for you charles, i really am. average americans, 500 americans go bankrupt every year for medical expenses, people without social security they would be indigent, they would be in the poor house and not literally live and retire in a comfortable fashion, so what i want to try to get around here is the idea that we can take care of each other in a society. >> that is why we already have a very progressive and more progressive income tax system to pay for health care, but to the public that is more -- that's different than even more progressive -- charles: real argument against that if you get into the position, a place like that you become europe where you have no growth so you're always stuck there, there's no opportunity, real opportunity for economic growth so guess what, i can pay my own medical

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