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obviously, he's been there a lot longer, and, has mr. fogel, the teacher, been there a lot longer. so what is the government saying to your family now about paul? >> well, i think they have been consistent in that they have been dedicated certainly in the last two years particularly, to help paul, to bring him home, and to do what they can, but the reality is, each case, paul is one of over maybe 50 americans who are being held in countries like iran and china and syria, each of those cases has different requirements in order to have that person be free and i think in this case we found that, there was a roadblock in paul's case that didn't exist in ms. griner's case, and it allowed her to come home and left him behind. >> laura: well, a russian roadblock is kind of hard to define on national television

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