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people who heard that. i don't think that's going to fly. they could argue the law. they could say look, the president did do these things, but it's not unlawful, not impeachable. in other words, it's awful but not unlawful. and i guess the third approach, and we begin to see hints of this is that they could go on the attack against decorated combat veterans like ambassador bill taylor who is in the 101st airborne of vietnam and who has served a 25-year public service career culminating as ambassador to ukraine or colonel vindman who is an active duty army officer who has served for 20 years in the military, who was wounded in combat in iraq and who is going to tell the story that he heard the phone call personally, and he thought it was inappropriate and illegal. >> peter baker, one of your colleagues who knows a thing or two because he has seen a thing or two is carl hase. he wrote when the house voted in 1998 to begin an impeachment inquiry into president bill