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checking in with each other like the menendez brothers. they're all in this thing together. anyway, what did you make of those phone calls? >> well, what we found out is this a president who loves chaos. he operates by chaos abroad. he operates by chaos in the white house. and so there's nobody really in charge to provide any order to how you approach these crises. there's nobody who's telling him right or wrong. and so he's in contact with his so-called personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, who's doing all of his dirty work in the ukraine. and so these calls only make clear that there was a close connection between the president and giuliani in the effort to try to be able to somehow produce an investigation on joe