>> what's your sense of where the white house is on this? i mean, the senate did seem to be actually moving forward with some of these things that you're discussing, the gas tax and fees on electric vehicles until president biden came back from europe and then saying that's not going to work for us. is that a reflection of what's going on in the house? and where do you think they're ultimately going to come down? >> where the president is substantively is where they are in the house. he wants to address climate and tax on the wealthy. and he wants to see something bipartisan work out. he's letting the process play out. i just don't think that genuine desire for bipartisanship is consistent with what he also wants to see policywise and the divergent. >> how significant would you say is the frustration currently