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country, is through a democracy. so, if democrats run on the campaign that there is strongest's on and emphasize those issues, as we see in michigan and other states, they can win. >> can a message about democracy beat out a right fearmongering message over borders and crime? >> first of all, the states -- the eight, -- the ten states with the highest crime rates, eight of them are run by republican governors. they actually have higher crime rates. when bill clinton passed the crime bill in 1993, we hit the largest drop in violent crime we've had in modern american history. it did not come back until the last year of donald trump's administration. i have no idea of why the democrats would run away from the crime issue. and by the way, this country needs immigrants. i like immigrants. i am for immigrants.