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gonna have to answer the questions truthfully. up to this point everything was great for the witness, they are off the hook. but here's the kicker. if they answer any questions untruthfully, they can be prosecuted for perjury. so the only thing that serves them here is the truth. >> okay, so the idea here is that you don't want to talk and have a fifth amendment right not to. fifth amendment right protects you from incriminating yourself in some fashion. we will take away that specter by offering you immunity, for you now have to talk basically? >> that's exactly right. >> okay, so why is patel seemingly so significant they would go to this? seems to be fairly extraordinarily, that don't think this is that routine to make sure that he testifies truthfully in front of a grand jury? >> i have done this a timer two when a witnesses testimony was perceived as being very essential. here it seems likely that doj has other ways of establishing