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we aren't running into federal law in order to protect it from the radicalism of the supreme court >> yet, i am sure that you would like to see more? >> well, for me, the holy grail of lgbtq equality is the equality act. which will protect the equality -- lgbtq community from discrimination areas beyond marriage and housing, employment, and public accommodation. so for me that should be the ultimate goal of the lgbtq civil rights movement. >> it is not lost on me, i am sure it is not lost on you. the moment in which this is all happening, right? you have had against the lgbtq community on the rise. i understand that in some regards that cannot be legislated. that is cultural. that is social. i do wonder what you believe lawmakers can do, what might be possible in this next congress. i know what your holy grail is. i think you and i know that is not necessarily something that is gonna be possible in the next years. what is possible, to protect