beginning over there, and the pain is the thing that, the anguish and the questions, everything, you know, i've had more time to deal with it here than they have down there, but they are starting the road, and it won't get any better. it just gets a little bit easier to deal with, but it is not any different from here to there. >> reporter: and again, what he is basically referring to if you are not out here, and as you take a look around is what he is saying that the folks here who have died in 2004, 2005, and as you go down the rows, those are the freshest graves, and system of the troops that have died in the last year or so, so again, but all in all, all of these families are facing the same thing, brooke. the wounds are very, very raw. it is a very different experience here in section 60 than any other part of arlington national cemetery.