>> right. >> so what are you hearing about where that discussion stands? >> we had a stunt yesterday in congress where there was a vote. and -- to raise the debt limit without having deficit reduction accompany it. and everybody knew it was going to fail. so what was that about? just a stunt, right? i think people believe that in the end you are going to get the debt ceiling raised, but it is going to have to be accompanied by some kind of deficit reduction. at this point, i don't see any grand compromise in the works of serious entitlement reform, along with serious tax reform, until after the 2012 election but let's face it, they've got to raise the debt ceiling. they know it, they'll find a way to do it in the 11th hour, right? >> that's the way this town seems to work. >> absolutely. >> all right, gloria, thank you. >> sure. coming up, what historic sites did sarah palin's one nation bus tour stop at today?