fineburg talks about all the false paper hess got. people claiming that lived in maine they had a problem with the fish in their restaurant. everybody put in a claim. that's just life. >> you weren't saying people in wall street itself were falsifying itself. because that is -- >> that's wrong. >> that has been suggested, that many of them -- >> i'm not saying that. >> they were playing with paperwork and it wasn't real money. >> i'm not sure it's true. they were putting together instruments and selling them through a public that was buying them. was that right or wrong? i don't know. i don't know if it's illegal or not. i'm not capable of answering that correctly. >> if you'd been running goldman sachs, would you have allowed the multimillion bonuses to be paid out after the bailout for the next ten years? >> look, there's a culture in wall street. which is one of the worst moments in my life. >> you got rid of it. >> yeah, because i couldn't manage that system of bonuses.