and it was incredibly successful. would that formula you deployed then for ge, would that work for america as -- if you viewed it as a corporation? >> yeah. if america had a strategy of being a highly competitive successful winning enterprise and you put everything through it, you wouldn't have this uncertainty. you would have every government action su porting this vision. for example, in ge, we got rid of a lot of businesses that weren't number one. we were making televisions in syracuse, new york, television sets, and the japanese were selling them cheaper in downtown syracuse than we could make them. well, it didn't take a scientist to tell you you couldn't keep doing that. >> when i had donald trump on there, in fact, every time i have him on here, it always gets around to china in about five seconds. and he starts ranting about china. he says america has surrendered itself businesswise to china. there should be trade barriers