idea that there's this whole culture of black men that don't want to work. and also assuming that we're so stupid that when you say inner city we don't get that that's code for black. i'm much more comfortable with them saying their ignorant things so we can know where to put the work, right? so inner city was -- i haven't heard that since 1976 but we remember it to know that's code for black. the idea that there's a whole culture and generations of black men that don't want to work, that's what i find offensive. >> professor ogletree, does he get any slack for that? >> not at all. i think the reality is that a lot of people talk about race in what they call different ways. i hear people -- and everybody on this panel has heard somebody say, oh, i'm not talking about you. i'm talking about them. and they are talking about black men and i'm one of them and i feel offended when they are talking about me like that. i think there is no easy way to do this. we do have a race problem. black men are trying to work.