unpopular. we closed the government twice when i was speaker and initially people were very upset, but in each of those three cases we achieved policy break through s that were historic. welfare reform, balanced budgets, the only time in your things happened that were very good. if you're not prepared to stand firm under our constitutional system, you basically make the president emperor. the president gets to do whatever he wants because he'll threaten to veto and close government, then the news media will run over and beat up the republicans. that's the price of government. >> every time speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell say i'm not shutting down the government, didn't they ostensibly pretty much surrender. >> sure. >> to president pushover, the worst negotiator we've ever seen as evidenced by this iranian deal? they surrendered. >> look, he's only a pushover in foreign policy. in domestic policy he's gotten an amazing amount of what he