to succeed. when you're in the job of your dreams. >> yes. >> highest ranking position that you'd had. >> yep. >> why did you decide to leave when you did? >> because my son needed me. and i knew that was the right choice. i mean it was -- it wasn't easy. you know, i had a choice to be considered for promotion. i wanted to rise. i'm ambitious. i've had a foreign policy career all my life. but our elder son was home with my father -- with my husband, needed both parents on deck. and i know it was the right choice. >> we have a -- there are examples here. he was working at the time. >> yes. and he's now in college. >> but did you ever look back and think, oh, i should have done that earlier when you were younger? or was that the perfect time? >> that was the time he needed me. when he was younger, my husband and i could both make it work. we both had flexibility, that all-important ability to say i'm going to stick my work together on the schedule that i need. and we had been able to -- we lived very close to our kids, and their school and we've been