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A very very fragile situation which the government doesnt want to provoke urban riots which would quickly spread like wildfire all over france. President says he wants to reorganize islam in a bid to fight fundamentalism but some experts say thats a pipe dream radicalization in places like this they say hes already far too deep rooted to dick out jollity bin ski r. T. Trap the u. S. Is joining in the chorus of growing concern coming out of europe over foreign i thought fighters returning to their countries of residence washington has urged that allies particularly britain to pay more attention to citizens who fled europe to join a terrorist organization earlier the u. K. Defense secretary said they should not be allowed to return i dont think they should ever set foot in this country again they turned their back on britain our values and everything we stand for they are the worst of the worst. We are working with the coalition on foreign fighter detainees and generally expect these detainees to return to their country of origin for disposition for now eisel terrorists of u. K. Origin who come back do face prison sentences while other European Countries have tried to integrate for leisel militants back into society in denmark exeter hardass have even received apartments and jobs to provoke the integration. Earlier we heard opposing views from our guests on how to deal with returning jihadists. Initially britain said were going to make them stateless remove their passports not going to allow them reentry other countries then said lets take a more light approach some of the nordic nations said lets try to repatriate them have radicalization programs which in part have actually been quite successful in some areas at the same time then the u. S. Is now taking the lead and the u. S. Defense said Foreign Countries need to repatriate their own citizens and deal with them using the rule of law and i think thats a sensible way to go they should not come back here its as simple as that because theyve committed the crimes abroad so why should the taxpayers. Foot the bill for all this rehabilitation and all this will probably the do in jail for quite a while that cost more money when these crimes have been committed of course let the authorities deal with him under the rule of law in them. You know there are lots of different stories about what happens to these people if we make them stateless stenciling they will stay out there they will keep breeding extremism terrorism and radicalization and theyll keep killing and theyll keep hating us so we have its a problem have to deal with you cant hide from it you cannot fall back on this british passport so you know i committed atrocities abroad but all for we british passport into the mix so we get sent back oh no how do you know people have committed crimes without putting the evidence in front of them and putting them on trial just to assume people went out there so i dont want to go on it i am here im in london regularly on trial id like to go on in my own regularly well these are obviously the the un is so weak. The you again is so weak just nonexistent the should have. Should have at the Un Peacekeeping forces making safe and so we could properly categorize these people rather than these people go in to fight for whichever side these people fight. Against but now because they fight for the kids to be classed here it becomes a ridiculous situation more news after this break. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to get off of the world of politics Small Business im show business ill see you then. Looking. Russians are so different from their european neighbors when it comes to individual rights and freedoms however they do have a very low tolerance for uncertainty in politics that translates into a strong electoral advantage for the incumbent making our transition precarious what would it take for russians to stop playing it safe. Program the twenty third winter Olympic Games in south korea have just passed the hof waymark the olympic athletes from russia or r. T. M. Has just won silver in the Cross Country skiing thats the tenth medal for the russians so far russia is officially not represented in the games because of the alleged state sponsor of doping in recent years the scandal prompted the International Olympic committee to ban numerous russian athletes for life the athletes appealed that decision and the court of arbitration for sport overturned the lifetime bans for twenty eight russian athletes at the start of february however then the court did an apparent u. Turn saying it actually supported the i. O. C. Its decision not to allow some of the cleared athletes to compete at the winter games we spoke with the court of arbitration for sport secretary general asking him about the reasons behind both decisions the full interview is available on our website r. T. Dot com but heres a preview these are. Because the decided not to invite them so it was not that it was. Different for us. Panel only reviewed the question of the application of the law of the rules of the i. O. C. It reviewed only the process whether it was fair whether it was nondiscriminatory discriminatory. It found that it was not critical there was no. The rules were not unfair and they have complied with by the i. O. C. So it was only a legally stick approach again there was no review of every. For the entire case of the sochi case was not discussed here the report was last discussed here. The fact that you cannot establish the give evidence of the deal that didnt mean that you have established the innocence of the athlete this is the other way around with the sochi case because the i. O. C. Had to show that the athletes were guilty the fact that the unable to show the guilt of an athlete doesnt mean that the athlete has nothing to do other with the case. We are not acting on the pressure so it was not a pressure for us because we have different panel of arbitrators they work independently and they are not really. They are not employees of caste they are independent people. Once they have been notified to the parties we will publish them. With russian athletes prohibited from competing and that countrys flag. Reaction from the fans around the world. It will take a long while for russian athletes journalists like myself that i can tell you first sure to forget the acronym o. A r after chang twenty eight thing well just before the winter games a group of russian designers thought they could take advantage of the International Olympic committees language sanctioned. I put one of those on myself and decided to walk around near the olympic park a little bit. What kind of team did people with this kind of sweatshirt support im sure. Its a limb take half really believe he can for the russian North Koreans are doing north for russia the russians the food there will be here because they do that if you lose a limb and then something of a limp think athletes of russia what would you chant if you were annoying our team supporter oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh we come from really. Bush. Leg some people say a russian animal can make it sound like that there you go russians there siberian tigers appear i was. Merely making it sound like its not really. Gold medals well judging by the first few days of the Winter Olympics the russian fans have chosen to stick to the more traditional chants and symbols. You know you betrayed god see. The u. S. Justice department has indicted thirteen russian nationals and three companies in connection with alleged meddling in americas twenty sixteen president ial election but as theres no such criminal offense in the u. S. As meddling the defendants were charged with a conspiracy to defraud the United States among the three indicted and prices at the St Petersburg based Internet Research agency which is accused of conspiring to sow political discord in the u. S. Another is a Catering Company which is suspected of having helped fund the whole scheme the thirteen defendants allegedly used methods ranging from organizing political rallies to posing as grassroots activists some of their supposed methods that were off the wall for example driving a Hillary Clinton impersonator dressed like this one a convicted in caged in the back of a truck they also allegedly bought facebook ads to promote a rally title support hillary save american muslims but despite the supposedly went on to these employees apparently had zero impact. There is no one elevation in the indictment that the charged conduct alter the outcome of the twenty sixteen election they wanted to quote so discord by. Breaking into elections no stealing the numbers no changing the numbers no voter fraud no vote by merely providing information through advertisements thirty listings and social media accounts that were shared by americans the mentally ends of dollars that have been involved in the Russian Investigation so far special Constable Council muller has indicted for people for that so thats all he has to show and so far nothing has been done let me remind you that we still dont know what russian collusion is we still dont know because Deputy Attorney general rosenstein today made it very clear that there was no evidence that anything that these russians or any russians did russian nationals or people who speak russian or people in the russian government but there was no evidence that any of this affected the election whatsoever isnt that fascinating and if it didnt affect the election whats the point of this. A surprise that link with russia has offered landed the Dutch Foreign minister in trouble he has resigned after admitting he lied about to meeting with president putin in two thousand and six but in a full of. The many dont. Let me just talk about one side of. It. From. An emotional resignation how departure comes just a day before he was supposed to meet his russian counterpart in moscow lets listen for a moment to the remarks that finished his career. Yes in early two thousand and six i was a bladder me peaches countryside house i stopped at the back of a room or a meeting was being held but i could hear very well for me and talking about a greater russia he said this included russia roofs ukraine and the Baltic States and that kazakstan would also be nice to have. Has now acknowledged that it was a lie and that he wasnt even in russia in two thousand and six he said he did it to protect his source a person that presumably attended the meeting he now described it as the biggest mistake of his political career we asked author and analyst Martin Corley about phil fiscal fashion there are two reasons why he made that statement one is that projected him into the public newspapers the headlines and so on this was a sensational statement to make and the second thing would be that of course it fed into the nato to. The nato narrative the narrative of the west at the time still is which is basically under russian seas put in as a threat to the National Security and it fed into that and therefore for these two reasons then it appeared to be from the dutch point of view this is a very good very good thing to do ill be back at the top of the hour with more news so please stay with us. 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Plan welcome to worlds apart when you look at value certain race russians are not that much different from their european neighbors when it comes to individual rights and freedoms except for one thing they have a very long tolerance of uncertainty politically that translates into a strong electoral benefit to the incumbent making Power Transitions in russia and precarious will the russians ever stop playing safe politically i want to discuss that im now joined by michel could call for russian opposition politician and a former member of Parliament Mr its good to talk to thank you very much for your time now youre not running in the russian president ial elections but i think you may have contributed more to voters in gauging and then some of the candidates i really appreciate the program that you created in listing citizens or voters as monitors which i think really helps to energize the base but why do you think projects like this Capacity Building projects democratic projects like this so rare in russia. That there is a good threat is it to produce a big. In the election and if we dont thing that its a real elections because you know one of the. Critiques at least in the army just was bound to produce a billion theres a lections there is a Serious Police in the position so. I said i want to launch an Electoral Campaign to break all those elections i think that we need to support those cordons creating school will be in the belak list so or and try to unite the people from days from strategists into the project we would like to organize overs in moscow and order to provide every polling stations with at least two worse in moscow of the three thousand five hundred polling stations and we would like to recruit seven thousand people to more new tour elections in order to create a big Political Force for the future elections in moscow im going to run them the way relations and i am going to leave those people yeah you and the way you phrase it you pursue obviously a personal goal but what i find actually far more important is the citizens and gauge of it because in russia politics is still about getting votaries we should buy thing is a rather primitive very limited form of political persistent patient being monetarists requires a much bigger commitment its twelve to fourteen hours of monitoring on the election day plus all the education the training that goes into that in my view thats much more important for democracy than whether or not to you when actually yes of course because all these people will be involved in the politics it will be very important for the future elections for all democrats who are positioned leaders in our country so we will need to work of the Grassroots Level and this will help us to win sometimes maybe in two thousand plane to on big because the main goal of the opposition to be represented in the parliament. After two thousand point two one the were creating and were trying to create a big Political Force in order to go to unite all people who want Political Force and Political Parties now its very well known statistically people in urban areas well differently from people in the countryside or in the national republics and it is believed that the number of voter fraud is much higher in the countryside in moscow now you said that you have a very clear political interest in moscow thats why youre doing that but from a democratic point of view when it has made my job better sounds to go to the regions and it drives the base there rather than staying in moscow where already people are quiet in gauge politically there is another strode to we should to normalize people and be suitors we need to go to them to come to the polling station to go with we have to raise the turnout in big cities where we have more chances to win thats why we decided to work in more school and the voters. So we come to the municipal complain more school we have two hundred six to seven independent depi this we have majority and seventeen districts in moscow. In two thousand and nine two and we will have a municipal competing in some pictures of earth so we will try to repeal this. Series i think that campaign was actually groundbreaking and many will give the credit to you whether or not they support your idea logically but i read in the one of the interviews that you while you were helping in selecting those people who were running for the minister politics you ask them questions about what they think russias policy in ukraine of what they what is their stance on crimea why on earth do you need Something Like that why do you need to bring big politics into that rather than focusing on that Capacity Building and the gys in the base isnt it more and. What and to when they were asked for it why why then he asked them about their views on Foreign Policy because you know i was sometimes a member of a just russia and i know what happened to this part to. This party has been destroyed. And there will there was a serious pollutant between people who supported putin and who wanted to post which and thats why we decided to support only those candidates single minded people are people who share the same values we support of those people who want to restore relations with the west was supported those people who. Wanted to have a democracy in our cannot be a people and didnt use a pallet just need to take care of the yards when they see a local russian authorities all of that they dont deal with ukrainian issues etc why dont you need to why dont you support and educate people off any political persuasion because we we want to unite people with the same values with the same ideas and its very important because today they have like a lack of authority but they want changes not only in the district not only in more school they want changes for russia. To more room there will be united in the Political Party but do you share in whos saying well yes and its very important for us but people who support cushion and people who support you may actually have the same values in having the rule for him having local engagement in having. You know corruption can pay in both why did you give all ive been its impossible. Because. I cant imagine that people supporting who put two will be members of our Political Party well here i am with the example just as i told you before the beginning of this program i recorded it into your Monitoring Program but im more or less proportion but i do believe and i think ive been to some of the training that your party has organized a lot of those youre exceptional no no not at all there are a lot of people of many ages of Many Political persuasions actually are interested in making sure that those elections are conducted in the free and fair manner in accordance with the law as you see there is really high during gain some so super in the media absolutely yes but who is for that how can you support. That in this case you should share my i will use some way to use and support a really good call for my support of to me over the years i do want to get a preview of the censorship in the media but its not about devaluation when you deal with the country you deal with the current problems and i agree that the t. V. Environment the media environment in russia is constrained but i dont think it was i think that you were for the independent court system the right absolutely of course i am for the independent course and im sure glad you put in independent learners is only the newco so you support of these scams with legislation the gives him the authority to appoint judges for example so its not a vote independent core system. Of turn used for russia well i dont think he appoints those judges and gives them that permission to be pliable to outside pressure and i think on a number of occasions he also talked about the need to reform that system and in fact from what i know he has actually just initiated the and now the Justice Reform that was long advocated by Alexei Kudrin theyre well known liberal and im sure the person who youll share some values with so there is all. Always in a word all our ability to called in is going to be when the member of the government appears still very influential what do you think it will do me and very influential well if the person in his program is accepted as a blueprint for reform there and its our house are you going to remember what you manage to carry out if you if you look at the polls and the latest. Polls show that there is a Strong Demand for change in russia i think we would agree on that and even put it would agree on that but i think the way this demand for change manifests itself in this country is people saying we wait for the changes we want the authorities to make the changes to remember that famous song by a victory and soy we are waiting for the changes rather than saying we are to change and there is a fundamental difference between these two positions where you place the authority but they replace it with the they the government or with yourself that thing be changed about russia peoples expectations of who will be there are running the country whether it is the government or whether it is that. I think that people dont like to take risks they want changes but they want to take risks and i dont believe them the figures of the polls because i can give you some interesting facts about russian polls for example according to the polls putin has said it is six or eight to one percent of support things that im so lonely theyre also mentioned i dont belittle those figures because according to the same polls. Its one third of people never tell the truth to pollsters. Because you can imagine if somebody comes to the door or coal you and ask if you supported greens to put them is better to say yes putting of course its the most popular politician in our country are from doubt as of maybe fifty six fifty eight percent of support which would still be enough for him to cure illusionary fear of the police to get a bunch of. Eighty eight who can read the book or who go. There in the room porter you will find this in three years so what your fifteen percent of support in there to a you know into a two line fifty two percent of support just one year before that and the important mr good cause i dont believe your story about historical parallels i think i dont think they ever of work and this is perhaps simplifying. The matters a little bit but can i ask you why do you want to kill dont believe in any polls who are for the situation can be changed drastically after the split over loop and i believe some split over loop because in all. The moves in the parliament in the government and the close circle of podium there is a consensus in the loop can i ask you a question about that because specifically about the Power Transition and the change of power in russia all the candidates in these elections including putting himself say that in principle they support. That powers need to be changed in a regular basis but i think for the kremlin the question is always not why but when and how if putin tomorrow wakes up and decides you know ive been in power for way too long i just need to find something more exciting to do with the rest of my life do you think our country the state that it is right now with its very weak checks and balances to deploy a system that exists today with a Law Enforcement that exists today with the levels of corruption do you think the country based system can withstand that. The change within six years pushing. The know the president or another constitution although there isnt a do to stir in the Constitution Order to come for like put to forever model for that if you dont please enter into the well if you are in the Distribution Campaign again and that people will start fighting for property that the corrupt people. Exist within the system will try to monopole lies their position then get it get some precise on it of those that we dont believe will have will help us to reach this. And this changes because i know that they want to. Restore relations with the west because they want them dont want russia to be as of late