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Which started from the mid 1990 s. It did so you saw firstly in 2004 there was what was called the orange revolution in ukraine which set aside the result of an election that took place in ukraine in that year leveraged into power a pro western pronate a government that evicted yuschenko who was the president then in 2008 there was a decision made it to some unseen of the bucharest. That nato would one day be expanded to include ukraine and georgia then of course that was another election a few years later which brought into power a man called victim yannick oh the church who was to some extent more sort grating in trial it see between. Russia and the western powers understanding how close relations with ukraine between russia and ukraine were and then of course in 2014 there was after a period of very very prolonged violent protests which were backed by nato powers with leaders of the European Union turning up in kiev openly supporting those protests. And who was the assistant secretary of state of the United States for European Affairs turning out and handing out cookies to the protesters protests which it should be stressed were extremely violent and indeed in the overthrow of the violent overthrow of the democratically elected Constitutional Government of ukraine with the president fleeing the country and escaping to russia that route to an entirely new government even more further at least commit it to integrating ukraine with nato and with the European Union the violent way that gov government gained power and sought to impose its wishes on the ukrainian people that precipitated a very strong and actually we could end that that part of the story with new ones words yet says the guy she picked the Prime Minister who became Prime Minister david pick it up from there then we have crimea and then we have the crisis in the don vasco absolutely well i mean i just theyre telling shower of western viewers what would the call an event in which 38. 00 policemen i killed. 5 buildings in the center of the capital are burnt and then you have leaders from other countries from the European Union you know the head of the european. Diplomacy well john mccain ok he was important but he did not have a he was not the president he was not was not the Vice President from the European Union you had officials you know Catherine Ashton she came to kiev brokered a deal yeah and she shook hands with that had all the National Socialist party a former head of the National Socialist party of ukraine then called swab all the old freedom all decked out in your book you had done the wrong pig come in to basically to the protesters who killed 38 policeman. And and what is going on now still i know i will ultimately so you can surprise me and take years to do basically theyre suborder party headed by talking about and supported by Catherine Ashton during that during that cool in kiev they had it in their programme that gray mean autonomy should be destroyed that it should be lifted so when the new government was formed in which National Socialists took 25 percent of the seats they had they were prosecutor general several ministers for the people including the minister of defense corps scream you decided to go to russia had actually didnt have to go to russia it was a part of russia for centuries since 73 and selfdetermination they voted to leave have saluted absolutely but the whole point is that ukraine is such a cold with skeletons for mr obama and for mr biden it was the mistake over the democrats media in the 1st place to try to get trump in crane in ukraine you know what happened was that if they didnt Pay Attention to this whole story with a smile and with trump if only trump raised the issue with his precious little media no one would notice it in the United States but the whole Democratic Media went after drum because of that phone conversation and now media and some americans know about briefs much they know their content by the made in ukraine and they have Big Questions about it and in fact why them basically went down the water over toward that he created for himself you know the lets go back to alex here i mean i remember when political came out with the story about hunter biden and policemen all that and i took notice of it it didnt seem to have a whole lot of traction you and i have talked about this many many times in the different venue and now its a big story oh my goodness i mean. I think what is interesting to me that western media doesnt want to report is that american politics is in a very radical and deadly way entered into ukrainian politics in ukraine and in return is given a lot of corruption im not going to go just out there hunter biden you know act isnt that thats the way business is done its all across the aisle both Political Parties people when there is carpetbaggers to make a lot of money and it really you know what it did in the end it made things even more corrupt thats what western help for ukraine has resulted in since 2014 go ahead alex and thats absolutely correct i mean beat it can we just say that the great problem in ukraine ever since it gained independence from the soviet union has been corruption but of course after 2014 you had a situation where corruption had been extremely widespread to a situation where corruption became the organizing principle of ukrainian politics because that walls what the new Ukrainian Government that was installed in 2014 remember it was not installed peacefully or legitimately it was installed viral occur so that almost by definition made it likely that it would be more corrupt and of course overall it with lots of very violent men in ukraine many of them behaving very illegally now what then happened is you had this deeply corrupt system in ukraine vast sums of money was thrown at it the European Union said i think 17000000000. 00 already is really i have that they are and they have committed to providing it with 25000000000. 00 there was 3000000000. 00 in go out x. Where do they go i mean ukraine is a poor country today than it was in 2013. Before this could read so all this money when he. Launched around in a signed this incredibly corrupt system and of course inevitably you got all kinds of people who went into ukraine from the United States and europe some of them lets be quite frank about carpetbaggers who went in in order to make themselves rich because theyre the opportunities to do so and this. You know corrupt it has a salary but what happens when corrupt whats happened also here is that because of this commercial in financial corruption it delves very easily into political corruption because ukraine is the epicenter of so much of what we call russia gate which by the way russia gave theres not much russia in russia gate but theres a lot of ukraine in ukraine gate. And were going to be a mother we had great people paul martin for good point you know when we crossed arad scandalous articles about him in the Washington Post by and have a warm where are the us basically they all forgot to mention that he didnt do anything in russia he did everything in ukraine and go to the d n c and he was im sorrier at least he walked on his specialty he was a political consultant he got millions for that but the bidens work millions for something he didnt understand the action in because of his fathers name but he was his father son he didnt understand anything in their straight or in energy where did you come to buy them get education in energy star gets you know so the more stories of what im going to run into and break from and understand. Knew a lot about pharmaceuticals you know what i mean were going to go to a short break here and after a short break well continue our discussion and some real news stay with our team. Yes. 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The battery of producers to toss the listener to slip of the most new yorkers are those the girls are with you sir your supporters to your shoes through should or shouldnt for you should cook door for the one whos deal does the. One else show its seemed wrong but all last just all. The world to get to shape out of this day to come to advocate and in again should equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when shes to look for common ground. Welcome back across the uk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok game in the 1st part of the program we gave a lot of background of the. Factual driven found in western media but tell me how you see the media message about this ukraine gate in all of its various colorful characters what do western audiences missing or being misinformed well you know basically what i meant was that by became a victim of friendly fire from the democrats media they wanted to destroy trump one thing on the island today its possible they think they can get 2 birds with one stone and it remains to be seen but youre right basically if you look at the whole story they just snatched this conversation thinking that triumph would be pricey and lansky to investigate by them but what they heard was that skit was basically very subservient to trump you know saying that you are 1000 percent right you are my teacher you know and then theyre American Media and the european media or dismayed by 3 for what one thing for 5 years to a korean put yourself versus observing 2 americans look at your own videos how perfectly stalk into biden were refined into our. Room where did he sit do remember that in the president s seat exactly and and this year in georgia when a Russian Deputy came to georgia and there was a session on there off of the unity and he sat as a chairman in the speakers seat in the Georgian Parliament there was an auxiliary riot you know with crowds trying to take the parliament by storm and the western media just define it always use the flag with that in the e. U. And the. Western media justified it they said that he the people had the right to get dismayed about someone sitting in the chairmans chair but what is the special just mean about all of this situation is that the way the western media and the American Media is covering the scandal with the you know the former prosecutor general basically we have an article in the New York Times which is titled meet your you would sign quote ukraines prosecutor general and 1st you know theres the hate crime so much that they start the whole story with the phrase mr trump praised him in a phone call with ukraines president no mistake trump praised victor short you know the prosecutor general whom. Basically poroshenko ousted on an order from by that and we know it now from giuliani is with shocking himself so. They say now the New York Times wants to tackle sankoh because it would send or just a few months ago was for trump against the liberals and so they write about him a veteran of ukraines often treacherous political scene mr wood sent to spend some time in jail before becoming prosecutor general but not all he is basically a bit all over reform are. Heard theres so many enemy translator and theyre not real doing. What i have just read every word for he was a supporter of my done who had spent some time in prison under young for real corruption you know and then the us made while nice to him saying that he was a fighter for democracy he was in jail illegally together with Yulia Tymoshenko they spent some time in jail at the same time right and and and know suddenly they write that he basically felt such a strong desire to improve his english that he went to london ok after the. Ok so when you see it if you basically fled. Yeah exactly if i could just kind of somebody up here we have 50 shades of corruption absolutely thats what i think we need to stress alexander but here is something coming through a corrupt they are the people who are allied in lies and by the western media is going to get let me go to london alex im glad to have brought up the telephone call. Pads and skin we have the transcript has been made public i think thats a 1st sentence unprecedented and im not sure if it was a good idea to do it but well see how it unfolds here but i want to go back to what demon had to say here here we have a ukrainian president and we all have our fingers crossed for him he got elected on a mandate of Anti Corruption which is the scourge of ukraine millions of people millions of people have left because of it because of the poor governance and the outrageous i mean it would make nigeria blush some of this corruption here because its aided and abetted by western institutions and and politicians here but lets go back to the conversation lord of the transcript. Of course as alinsky is going to be kowtow to trump in one form or another because he needs trump he says he wants to end the conflict in the donbass if trump can be there as the chaperone quote unquote it could be possible then he doesnt have to look over his shoulders at the. I kneel fascists that have levers of power in ukraine and corruption this is where zelinsky the heart of his campaign was if he can get western institutions maybe the f. B. I. Would be one of them though they have a pretty dodgy reputation right now what selinski wants to do is if hes going to take on corruption hes going to need outside help and i think he thinks trump is going to help him bring peace and start dealing with corruption and thats a good thats a good play for ukraine and everybody around him go ahead alex yes and with a great problems alinsky no faces if he really is serious about corruption is that of course the whole issue has now become an issue in american domestic politics so i gather hes already been wont mind the democrats that up to now support for ukraine and in the United States has been a bipartisan issue that he risks not making it all of more alex so are you suggesting a quid pro quo is that what youre suggesting here is that what is rump is accused of but the democrats are doing it go ahead. Well thats exactly what im saying and can i just add that apparently the russian Prime Minister mr medvedev has said that mr selenski is now caught between a democratic hammer and a republican and bill hes going to find all kinds of people like mr libby saying who by the way demon discussed very well and who incidentally was the proxy rated general of ukraine ukraines chief law officer and he doesnt even have a law degree and thats the kind stranger can actually. Hes already now turning up is now ready to owning up in london apparently trying to undermine him because of course hes connections with the previous g we corrupt government so its looking very difficult for mr zelinsky and this is the problem in the United States talks about how he wants to see corruption end in these countries in reality its absolutely happy to sacrifice these countries 1st to a giant geopolitical play against russia which is what we saw in 2014 now increasingly looks to to the pursuit of u. S. Domestic politics none of this is going to help ukraine at all well western or western help never stops helping ukraine absolutely going well basically i think their western media developed its own kind of language about ukraine which is completely distorted a little vital domestic what is it with the term youre going to get it here of a vital us their actual interest so i dont see how its possible but they say it well they say that the ukraine is attacked by russia and theyre the new government in ukraine installed by them in 2014 whats going to be clean let me remind our viewers that would sound call and poroshenko and shorty and they were all products or that revolution that. The United States supported wholeheartedly in 2014 it has no one but itself to blame for it the problem is the American Media and the european media keep talking about this vandal russian influence you know which corrupts clean ukrainian officials well i especially like the as the way that mr shorten in his conversation to giuliani with giuliani attempted to continue with the investigation but in or around june or july 2015 the u. S. Ambassador in the ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt told him that the investigation has to be handled with wide globs this is a new kind of language basically sure can explain to giuliani that an investigation means invited last means do nothing you know there on the biden goal the other interesting point is you know again the New York Times about. What some call is a familiar figure for a new study in the soviet union since 1901 a seemingly reform minded political who was given power were deeply disappointed. In the west by displaying many of the use he had previously denounced and of course they have translated into plain english the americans and the europeans put a bunch of groups and murderers in power in 2014 groups like to murder us who later went to war in donbass you know that the fascists the nazis who did a lot of killing there these groups didnt stop to be groups when they got to power the behaved in exactly the same ways as they did of 1040 in the wars and even wars because a civil war gives tremendous opportunities for corruption theyve marilyns know it from their civil war when did the carpetbaggers appear after the civil war or during the civil war because you can make huge money you know if 13000 people who speak the same language watch the same television went to the same school if theyre killed for nothing. Then why not steal stephen is a much smaller c invent killing so in that if the thing is who could alex or corruptly running out of time i mean the. Characterization is very stark but i think its on the mark here but you know if this was allowed to happen because they were given cover by western elites and Financial Institutions i mean by any measure corruption has gotten worse in the last 5 years and that is at the detriment of the ukrainian people look at all of their government stacks of status. And it is a pretty grim picture but its all been for the enrichment of corrupt officials in ukraine and now foreigners where the money is being sent to Western Banks and being cleaned out well and it well it it i mean i come back to the point i made i mean ukraine has had about 45000000000. 00 thrown at it since 2014 its also had a major restructuring over its foreign debt its a huge amount of money and yet hes still a poor country that it was in 2013 that is any extraordinary fact and of course it follows precisely when the point dean there was making if you create a system which is run by as demas said crooks at large with mergers what are you going to expects that hes the inevitable outcome which hes going to follow so ok i think that i will run out of time here my only last question is when will we ever hear from hunter biden i dont know many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on t. V. 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