Whether youre watching all 3 International Im whereas on a low card thank you for joining us now the Peace Process for Eastern Ukraine is showing signs of a breakthrough with the cease fire and prisoner swap to take place by the end of this year the leaders of Russia Ukraine france and germany held 6 hours of talks in paris aimed at resolving the long running conflicts well for a bit more on this we can now across life to atis course want to elaborate trenker who is in paris force india what could you tell us about the results from the summit. Rosana hello while head was indeed a long one there was a delay the leaders spent more time together than expected so in that case you probably asked me has there been a breakthrough but i can tell you that the message that we kept hearing from all the leaders and also the journalists and the observers that were there in the room that on the one hand of course it was a breakthrough on the other hand it wasnt at all well let me just explain why. It is definitely a breakthrough because the 4 leaders the socalled normandy for the quartet met for the 1st time since 2016 the leaders of germany france russia and Ukraine Ukraine has a new president so its definitely a new chapter a new page that has been turned and it took the mysteries of the 6 months in office to be ready to meet and that kind of format now the president the leaders of these 4 countries ones hammer out hammered out a peace plan that is known as the agreements and for years we kept hearing from all kind of sides from west to east that there is no alternative to it but there is. This is all of the only way to go but it is clearly not a breakthrough because the most complicated issues the parts that were actually mentioned these minsk agreements there is no compromise there is no Common Ground on them now let me just name a few to explain why no breakthrough as i said it is the control of the Ukrainian Forces the kiev army over the border along the breakaway republics of dawn and skin lugansk with russia but also the special status. Of these were republics that is something that russia has been calling for all along and also they want fair democratic elections to be held in this area so what ukraine really wants in this case is the handing over of the Border Control to happen 1st russia maintains that in the minsk agreements 1st changes to the crazy legislation have to be made and these elections and the amnesty. Have to take place and only then the handover can happen so this is the main Sticking Point that hasnt been resolved at the same time we do have to point out that a joint declaration a list of common conclusions as the leaders name it named it has been released and this is an achievement because in some cases such summons dont lead to a common declaration now this common declaration consists of 3 parts in part one and there are several obligations most of them have to be fulfilled by the end of the year and they all have to do with ending the actual fighting in east ukraine and also various humanitarian issues so all the sides are committed to having a full ceasefire and before the end of this year and also they expressed eagerness and they are keen to continue further to make sure that. With these agreements and the disarmament continues later now the 2nd part is about the political reforms that kiev is required to fulfill under the minsk agreements but again like i said it is the most difficult part and the warding in that document while i do have to say that. Peculiar it says that the sides are interested in these kind of reforms and that they will try and do their best to somehow move forward move towards these reforms but no obligations have been stated in that written document and the 3rd party actually says that leaders will meet again in 4 months and again there are no requirements no obligations so no matter how much the sides are able to deliver on their promises no matter how much they are able to move forward we will see another get together of the normandy force that is Emmanuel Macron anglo merkel lot of our pool and selenski so a lot of ground cover during the 6 hours negotiation thanks for breaking down those main points for us in paris. Well youre all stratas former foreign minister told us the summit is an important move in the right direction. Any decision that you take on the level of Foreign Policy in particular when its such a delicate issue it always has. The mastic implication that thats very evident in particular in that case so i do wish old those old all the very best to be able to start something and then to wait for the dynamic that it can evolve but from what we have seen been seen over the last few months we already can detect some sort of the dynamic thats not thats not anymore the complete statement that have been movements on the military level the exchange of. People who are detained so something is going on and what i have always said what is very important in diplomacy is that certain things happen. Indescretion the. Dont have to be discussed on a daily level in public its important that certain things can happen sometimes behind closed doors but thats where they can happen best. Well also during those talks in paris florida mere persian commented on the World Antidoping Agencys decision to ban russia from International Sporting events for the next 4 years because a new move would not huge bullish meant was not a collective it was affecting people who have nothing to do with certain violations which is on the. Record machine according to the World Antidoping Agency moscow is being punished for tampering with a database of test results from athletes. It was at the World Press Conference in less than. What are officials announcing a unilateral decision over a 4 year ban on russia taking part in major sporting events during that period meaning that russian athletes wont be able to compete and the ban over russia nor will they be able to fly the russian flag at those major events those major events could include tokyo 2020 and also the world athletics championships is also suggestion that this could impact the football world cup in 2022 russia will be able to host nor be able to bid for any major sporting events during that 4 year period russian officials wont be able to go in an official capacity to those games nor will officials in russia be able to sit on the boards of major sporting committees all boards during that time when they were questioned about what that would mean for russian athletes who didnt have any cloud of suspicion over them when it came to doping allegations they said that each russian athlete would have to prove their innocence this is a ban against russia the protect the rights of russian each. Entry for major is. Able to demonstrate that they are not implicated in any we. Comply and what is important to these decisions. Are really sanctioning those who are responsible for this many pollutions and leave those open for those who had nothing to do with. Russia clean. Plates well what it says in its investigation was the sale date was forensic and that investigation showed that the data entered received from a moscow lobbying question had it believed to be tampered with this was that data from a moscow lab relating to information from 2012 to 2015 what the said that that was dated didnt match the data in. Received from the whistleblower which started this big scandal but what i went further and said that during that time in moscow in 2808 experts say that they had also seen that all the data had been tampered with and thats why theyve taken this decision from the date it received they were 145 athletes they were able to pinpoint that had had a question mark over them were not sure if they were in russia a lot but it said the only around a 3rd of those athletes were currently active now a russian officials have a very different story to this they say that the data that was handed over. Hadnt been tampered with that they had applied to all of the conditions and stipulations set out by wada and as a result of fans who saw that which is the russia thing agency would be a feeling this decision i asked to present what a response on that russia says its rejected all of the allegations of data manipulation it says its provided you evidence to counter to show that it didnt modify the data what do you have to say to that and was that taken account in your decision well i wasnt part of the c. R. C. Discussion what i do know is that it was close cooperation between the want to expose under russian im not sure what conversations they had with flood example of the Russian Olympic Committee or rosado but those people who are interested are entitle to under the standard to appeal and if they wish to appeal they have 21 days to accept this secession or not and if they do not if they wish to appeal then we will be in cash pyrite disease clearly is technical you need to be a friend jake. And we pass it on immediately sure say thank you very much it does not change the opinion that they are well. So there will appeal that decision meaning that this is like you know to end up in the court of arbitration for that court to decide who is right and who is wrong on this particular topic for the meantime though one perhaps ray of light water officials did say today that there was a possibility of changing this decision and that possibility rested on the 4 attempted data being provided by that law in moscow something that the russians say they have already done. Altie in the souls. Or Russian Sports federations have been quick to question wilders decision. Theres decisions a biased inexplicably there to politicize him prejudged that punishing russia is a state which was connected to this story without showing any credible evidence is an absolutely normal Transparent Organization punishing the states and clean sportsmen and women why should that be considered fair. Absolutely sure its wrong to punish and impose severe sanctions against those 100 percent meeting every one. Committee requirement. What is decision is unfair its wrong to treat sports men and women on the basis of their nationality i believe all sports participants have the right to represent their country on the international arena. And there has been reaction from the sports world to the verdict as Anti Doping Agency has welcomed wilders decision saying its the only possible outcome of the head of the United States Antidoping Agency has said the measures taken by water and enough he branded russias escape from a complete ban a devastating blow to clean athletes and the rule of law the same reaction was shared by walters vice president. Wanted that complete and that we had 2 choices and i supported and still not speak you today and im afraid that if we supported. Or didnt support the c. M. C. That i would want to wait. And while this decision has left a lot of Unanswered Questions as elect year shifts he explains. Imagine a person that robs a bank steals lets say a 1000000. 00 gets caught gets prison time gets out like a near your early for Good Behavior but then the police tells them you know were not sure you actually stole 1000000 maybe your stole more so were going to put your imprisoned back again well that is basically the logic which the World Antidoping Agency applied to the whole nation of russia in their decision on monday to ban the country from major sports competitions in the world saying that russian athletes can compete individually but they have to again prove that they have not used any kind of doping. Of the new me im in the position of the Russian Olympic Committee stays the same the sanctions are inadequate not logical and too severe we would do our best for the Russian Olympic Team to participate in the Upcoming Games in japan under the colors of the russian trick due to the terms of the olympic charter. Well if someone committed a crime fair enough he or she should be punished for that but it is quite unclear how exactly stripping and they send off its flag in major sports competitions across the planet can actually solve d the problem of fighting against doping youre not innocent until Proven Guilty in anti doping at school youre guilty until he can prove youre innocent its a complete reversal of the normal Justice System but its always been that way you gotta think about whats on the World Antidoping Agency has jurisdiction but it doesnt have jurisdiction over the russian authorities they come sanction Russian Politicians russian. You know the constitution politicians can it all it can do is censure resell it and take actions relative to sports so its come up with this International Standard to code compliance by signatories which is used to sanction russia this time around and its come up with these sanctions as a way of putting pressure on the earth or its used to come clean which they still havent done. To. On top of everything it seems that waters decision from monday was made in such a haste that they have no clue how to actually navigate in that decision the biggest example of that is probably the situation with you wait for and feel for tournament where were you where you quite expect to. Be sanctions will not affect in any way russian part of the upcoming your. First of all its a continental tournament not of world qualification for or for compartmented 2. Is again within the competence of your for and if you represent a u. F. O. And it presents a continental part but should it make it to the 2022 world cup in qatar it may be stripped of its flag of its anthem and it may be participating as a neutral country all asked for that surround the world should feel very much concerned with what has happened because were talking about collective punishment where dont involve the athletes who will be humiliated because of certain discrepancies. In the work of their. Lympics. Association if there is a good wheel there are many ways to decide from my dick decision which will being. Very determined till the whole world vand the want to sue will be damage these are the athletes athletes those athletes are absolutely clean those sir competitive among the best in the world and this what is injustice series about and if youre not yet confused enough they already said directly that should russia appeal to cas the court for arbitration of sport. And this process takes longer than the via fishel preparation for next summers olympics russia will go to next summers olympics in tokyo as a full fledged nation but then if the ban is implemented late it might miss out on the 2024 summer Olympic Games in paris so this is all surrounded by a lot of confusion and at the same time russia says that its not planning to give up the sports minister of the country by vocal of course insists that all the information for the reinstatement of there has been provided to the World Antidoping Agency. Experts who provided convincing on says unfortunately they havent heard us resign or has time to appeal initially when we handed over the database we said lets investigate the database together so that we can make a full decision we wanted to have a kind of mechanism if we dont want to object of decision lets do it like this was saddam has all the necessary opportunities they could have taken a different approach. From whichever side you look at it mondays decision by water looks like a vocal and very harsh indictment of the Russian Sports it might send shock waves and reverberations in the country sport for many years to come but it might actually be the beginning of a new struggle of a new battle the legal one when russia takes its case to the court of arbitration for sports in switzerland and we are expecting this to be made quite quickly before the end of this year. R. T. Reporting from moscow anti doping litigation expert from Sheffield Hallam University Dr gregory learned this believes wanda is conducting a crusade against russian sport. This is a punitive action against the law and its including the innocent ones im not convinced the reason may go more into stiff occasions violate their garage if its not its particular with theres no evidence of malpractise against them this may be raising a human rights issue or whether. Theyre going to raise this before the Court Relations board that im not entirely certain we have to accept but there is a political element involved. In their action applying of a ambiguous more and the motive crusade here they once was in terms of Collateral Damage that is the are they russia and the english and russian offloads person with a case with a blanket against all russia and not lets its like saying that every single one of them has been sitting and this is unauthorized that its truly shameful the creation of the new regulations while they nest and such would be forcing them out there on behalf of the audio sales so i personally will be. Extremely surprised or i would say i would expect with great anticipation to see a whopping i. O. C. To respond and point in thats what its doing its like saying im going to come into your house take the case away from you and ill decide who comes in and who goes out i mean also some sports personalities have expressed fears that any ban could demotivate a generation of future athletes. How can you bama entire team are not only been a team and that entire support for a country for 4 years its absolutely ridiculous its an overkill. Want to should do its job and do with claims concerning individual athletes not with the country as a whole they have dreams like the it so there was 18 years old to go to. Compete for their country for the love of this for the love of their country and try to be one of the best dont want to do. What. School is being dragged down by politics in a place where politics should be completely absent sport is becoming costly. Influence of politics is intensely felt in this desire to disqualify the whole National Team why does decision to ban russia will affect everybody and will cause great shock. I would say that the decisions either politicized or just incorrect. What kind of message is that suddenly mean to our children and we always talk about. Our mission because that is tomorrow well when you ban the whole culture from for to supposed to kill all out of you. I think that 1st and foremost this will affect children and their interest in sport. Our children have taken their future away with they want to do what they love away because of what a couple individuals did in the past its just i mean its ludicrous that it doesnt make any sense at all. Now bank hit around 30 minutes time with more news from around the world see if. Facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately it was also a very dark so. 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Homicide want to come. Now. And work hard toughen the units of battle so you go. So they dont need to go to the corner. Try to get. To. A low and welcome to cross talk were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle 1st ukraine leaders from Russia Ukraine germany and france meet in paris to tackle ukraines internal divisions are there reasons for optimism and impeachment are the democrats secretly scheming to have actually reelected. Cross talking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri bobbitt shes a political analyst and editor at innocent me internet media project and in london we crossed alexander macarius hes a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com our gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate lets go to london 1st alex we have what normandy format has theyre calling it of course this is about the internal divisions and problems of ukraine the media falsely characterize it russia against the ukraine thats not it at all as a mystification from the media this is an internal ukrainian problem and outside powers are trying to help mediate it what is the normandy format its called normandy for and where does it come from and what is it trying to achieve go ahead alex. Yes is called normandy for because it originates in a meeting that took place in the during the normandy d. Day celebrations in 2014 when that image hooted was the president of russia had a brief meeting with Petro Poroshenko who was the new president of ukraine and they were supposed to agree to together to set up this format which would be Ukraine Russia germany and france with a view to finding some pathway towards peace in ukraine and stress again in ukraine. The conflict inside ukraine not the conflict between ukraine and russia issues like for example crimea are completely off the agenda now they there were a series of meetings there was an important agreement that was agreed in minsk in 2015 which was supposed to take the process further but of course what has happened is that poroshenko and hes government in ukraine refused to implement minsk the the minsk agreement that was reached bali this group is normandy for group which is supposed to be the way forward with the partway towards peace in ukraine the result is that the conflict has been frozen there was a further meeting between this group in october. Of 2016 in paris which sort of tweaked the parkway further but that has again fails to change anything on the ground but then this year weve seen a complete change of our ukraine a new president and this is why all this group has now come together and then theres now a remunerative impetus towards peace when the entire geopolitical situation changed and went from to special equal shing for exactly it was exactly when the germans also wanting in better economic relations with russia with new pipelines to russia to europe
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