The person or persons responsible. Person. And i think thats what hes facing trying to match the pillared kleist it will. Be any reason to suggest that hes not hes trying to expose the crimes that have committing acts. I dont think you can really understand Julian Assange. Or wiki leaks without seeing an aspect of his life that formed him and that was absolutely here in melbourne and it formed him not only in terms of his ideas. He his expertise but also his conceptual thinking about forming software projects including wiki leaks. So melbourne in the late eightys and early ninetys became the center of the a strain underground which included others and experimenters and also how there is not just in the sense of people who broke into things illegally but also people who just experimented with. It didnt take long for australias Hacking Community to embrace the Young Julian Assange as teenagers they spent most of their time online but did occasionally venture out and when they did theyd meet in this square in central melbourne. This is the historic thats right town hall and it was the site along with some other Historic Town halls in melbourne. The. Dilema songe and other members of that Technology Community were here in their late teens and early twentys stopping for computer bits and exchanging ideas and information about how to experiment with hardware and software. Versus. Men and women. Understand computer. Capacity and used. To be used to memory understanding. I didnt. Just write that he would pay for a short while. One of the worlds most. Its very interesting the hacker mentality. From this time period they wanted the thrill of getting into the system that was ted. And the more procedures the in the institution the more thrilled they got so if they could break into the now section. These were the smartest people they were the people who had put man on the moon really if you could break into their systems then you could prove to yourself youre a 17 year old boy you 2 are very smart. The u. S. Space agency nasa is one of the victims of the melbourne computer Hacking Syndicate american investigators including the f. B. I. Contacted a strain you know thorough g. s with these suspicions. Of the 16th 1989 nasa was attacked by what was known as the virus that caused a Space Shuttle launch in florida to be postponed and was traced to australian hackers in melbourne the wenck worm was one of the 1st ever worms that had been written and it was certainly the 1st politically motivated wireman that carried a political message that message was a quote from the Midnight Oil Song and that quote was you talk of times of peace for all and then prepare for war. This thing that was the way. It emerged from a sort of deep dark forest you got a glimpse of it and then disappeared again and the authors have never been found although some see this might be one of jewel in a songes. People have lots of different views on these things. Julian was very lucky growing up in that although he grew up in a fairly poor family canonically it was very rich intellectually. Julians father is a very clever and creative. Person and quite sensitive i think hes been enormously important to julias development as a young adult. As a young man julian was. A daughter her choice. His nickname was wizard because he would always be hard to come up with a new approach to things or a new way of looking at things. What a number of track person have said to me is that. They get a different perspective on the world from the systems theyve been in and thats because they are able to see the actual information these are. Directly contradicting what an organization may say publicly or someone a politician may say publicly they understand that the public is being told something that is just not just a little lie often its a very big lie that helped maybe develop enjoins mind. The super importance of Media Organizations being able to port accurately on information. And during result my place and we were having a cup of tea was. A natural 2006 or Something Like that required a. Jury and said. Id like to stop to rekey. This week he would concern it so certainly. And we reduced very tall as an anonymous for people who want to really information. That information. Didnt you try to warn him about anything at that. World which is a young man on the cusp of life. You dont care for warnings very well how can i help. But ive always taken natures aphorism. To heart leave diners for me. Leave diners dont creep around the place being frightened of shadows. Do what you have to do them face the consequences and best you can. Let me remind guys home on. The net is a little. Tough. The. Harsh 25. Year that we have burst out the opposition so 3. To 5 i 1st heard about with nixon you know aside. From the helicopter putting in iraq on the famous for she was where we saw. The helicopter shoot people on the ground but all of. Them on. Their own in. The Helicopter Shot up some civilians and in the process shown to royces jonas to local forces jones and they also shot up some children in a car the 2 minor. No you know when i got on around. American military personnel misidentified civilians as rebels. From overhead and it looked as though one of the men had a gun. But it was just a reuters camera man holding. The day i saw the collateral but mortar b. T. O. A city as we know for get. Us again because i escaped it was what the 1st time as i was screaming loud at my old peace peace souldiers r us with dissed emotional detachment as they were playing video games and me with the lives of people in such a cool way. Here is actual shocking video footage fact irrefutable evidence of what happened and what has been described to me by one retired military person actually here in australia as undoubtedly a war crime i want to go we are going to want to go after the shooting of july 13th 2007 u. S. Military commanders justified the attack claiming that its troops had been in battle with Hostile Forces guy that might serve over. The progeria picking up the body. But 2 children well when did they were in a van when their father approached the scene of the shooting to help victims or do we have individual going. Up on. An armored. Rogering. In a player. Where there are a lot. Thats whats really fascinating for me was when i saw an interview with an american soldier who was there on that spot after they. Killed them and shot them and it was the young. Army officer who went to the van and discovered there were 2 children at that were wounded and he said the little girl couldnt blink because her eyes were full of glass and he tried to remove the cross from her eyes when he spoke to his supervisor and wanted to take her to a decent hospital he was told wash out your vagina. For the 1st time we understood. The civilian casualties the innocent people who were killed in both afghanistan and iraq and this was all kept from the public. Showed real bravery in being willing to publish frankly and fearlessly that is india and i think that there are people within the u. S. Military who have never forgiven him for it. That helicopter attack resulted in 12 deaths 2 children one that. No one from the American Military has ever been held accountable. But politicians do. Put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Or somehow want to press. You to go right to the press this is like the before 3 in the morning cant be good. Im interested always in the was in the house. Last question. Were still in an era of resource colonialism again this is a big risk and the one big thing that could really inhibit the kind of electric vehicle revolution that a lot of us want to see is if we cant resource the battery components in a sustainable ethical way then its not going to be a successful revolution. I cant show you my face but im going to teach you must. In 9093 this man was sentenced to death they could charged with capital murder even though he didnt have the gun didnt pull the trigger didnt intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for the week which is the end of a 23. 00. I doubt that i deserved to be but did abbey very. Confined within 4 gray walls he. Turned to help him to leave this room. 2 months ago most of you never read the sign. Nearing the end its when remember to leave aside the yulian astronomy more revelations on. When you see one side see in this small room. With these 2 that you know this is after. Julian assange revealed his identity and was known i mean it was front page news all over the world at that point. Only to Julian Assange has become a hot political topic but he found a way to publish classified information and made it available to anyone who wanted to share someone elses secrets. The idea of developing an anonymous digital dropbox and applying it to a Media Organization that is wiki leaks that was the 1st people hadnt really done that before that was that was Julian Assange. Enabled the whistleblower who were. Low cost with just the right couldnt d. V. D. And the use of the right tools to anonymously. Blow the whistle by transmitting like large amounts of data. Today we release over 287. Documenting the reality on the International Mass surveillance industry. Here has. Been has a black berry. He uses g. Mail. Well youre all screwed. What is this place then where were all those files actually kept. In the cloud its somewhere. Julian magically brought to. A computer just digitalized and information and put before the public. When someone called you know songs knocked on the door from mine. I was quite pleased to see him i was quite keen that we would have somebody who was making the news. My names form smith im a journalist. But more i run something called the front line from which i founded which is a press club and. It all happened in this room i mean julian literally turned up and knocked on the door and literally only announced he knocks on the door 2 days before that press conference saying i want a press conference on Julian Assange quite literally and so we arrange the press conference for him and it was on a monday morning he was standing here. He was up here and we had a podium we had that podium and we had it here and he was standing here and its from this position he raised up the guardian front page. And you know thats when the whole thing started so this is the guardian from this morning 40. 40 pages about this topic. Also i think are at least in the spiegel 17 pages. Just a couple of months after the video of the baghdad helicopter attack against civilians was published yet more revelations appeared this time it was the afghanistan and iraq dosias. The afghanistan and iraq does he knows classified pentagon files only u. S. And allied military activity in afghanistan and iraq from 2004 to 2009. These were logs that were written by members of the military who might be out at the front or patrolling in the area and might be things safe seen or experienced on their shift or patrol so it was almost a sort of. A very detailed war diary. By the americans and the british but it didnt occur to me that it could be so informative. Because it was a huge data sets 400000 classified reports field reports by the u. S. Army this is the most accurate description in all told it is even being released into the historic record we are counted now 122000 in the sunni triangle teams in the war theres nearly no Street Corner in baghdad didnt have a body that fell into being killed 3 volumes and one form or another if what we found out from iraq and afghanistan dosias the u. S. Hundreds lonnies allegedly under reported civilian casualties prisoners of war was subjected to violent acts of torture of u. S. Military personnel who were reportedly involved in child prostitution. When you have published his publishing secrets the government starts losing control of the narrative that had a narrative in iraq. No civilian did. And then they lost control of that narrative because we found out the truth. Thats the power of what he ate the battlefield consequences of the release of these documents are potentially severe and dangerous for our troops our allies and the afghan partners and may well damage our relationships and reputation in that key part of the war and one of the main criticisms is being leveled at you is that you have published the village is that the names and some cases the g. P. S. Coordinates of people afghans who cooperated with the u. S. Military and a u. S. Official has called it a potential hit list for the taliban whats your response to that is there was some piers the mostly between your beat up i mean where were looking at the issue seriously to see whether that is true he approached the white house to austin for assistance in reviewing. Material before we published the white house in order to accept their request they always say oh they have blood on their hands and they get people in danger but i think if anyone would have been killed because of we kill x. They would have dragged to the person in front of the camera all proved it or taken it against them or sold i think its just a blatant lie is it possible that the 1st tranche of dollars have from the afghan war logs could have been better redacted yes quite probably they could have been better protected had anyone ever done this before no there was no roadmap i mean killing a soldier and wiki leaks they were bushwhacking through a thick forest to try and figure out how to do this. The afghanistan and iraq dont see just what the biggest leak they have a plan shown along its own war crimes allegedly perpetrated by the us can digitalize. No one from americas military has ever been held accountable. And. A little bit over 10 years ago i was contacted by. A person. Who i didnt know at that point environmental. Wanted to meet with me and i met a. Person who spoke with a very strong australian accent and he told me that they had a Problem Program of they wanted to do a project. When we met. My in the show the. Feeling was that this was. Completely outlandish and there was nothing to it so we parted way but we kept contact and a little bit later. Came the publications for the collateral murder video where you could see helicopter. Thats a u. S. Helicopter in iraq. Gunning down reuters journalists on an open street and so when i realized that he was serious about isnt ever. Julian assange invited yohannes to work with him on a new collection of classified documents that had fallen into wiki leaks hands. This time correspondence from the United States diplomatic service. And diplomatic cables. That we can leaks published a little bit later they were a set of internal briefings if you put it this way or analysis. That all of the american diplomats. Wrote and delivered back to the state department. Leaked u. S. Diplomatic cables published on november 28th 2010 it contains u. S. Diplomatic correspondence from 966. 00 to 2010 and includes 100000 documents marked confidential and 15000. 00 marked secret. They have to understand the scale of all this release of information so if we took these cables and we printed them out into and they would go betweens in petersburg and moscow it is that much material i can give you. A simple example of what was interesting in those cables in regard to sweden because i worked with the materials that were related in these documents we could see here and thats which politicians are going to come to the u. S. Ambassador and they ask for services for the services they would ask for would be. We have a problem with this we are sure of Public Opinion they would say there is we have Public Opinion doesnt like the war in afghanistan and they dont want us to participate in the war afghanistan could you please help us by inviting some afghani women. Here it is weve done that and well put them on the swedish t. V. So they can talk about the good things that were doing there some of them to europe we found out the. Swedish politicians and swedes are sure Public Servants undercutting the way that would be democracy is supposed to function and theyre doing that together with them with us said diplomats contrary to the interests of the swedish people one of the hopeful things that ive discovered. Is that really every war that is thought of him. As being a result of. Mediocrity what does that mean. That means basically populations dont like. And populations have to be fooled into will. Be treated as an enemy combatant which really should be closed down permanently and decisively designed to reduce any broken every law to stick what you think it was what hotel or things are. Going on in the service its not that so that would good elysia. Julian was at his height of popularity when sweet. That he attracted. Amorous ladies. Its understandable that he would be attractive to young men and hes. A young man and she said his. Is a very high and noble noble ambition so that made him even more attractive. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy to confront ation let it be an arms race is on offense very Dramatic Development only closely im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. In the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of Northern Ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks particularly catholic population tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was that the or you see the Police Actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of full streets in belfast at the hague more than a 100 innocent civilians were. As the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and of the currency which the collusion was involved in some of those traces the killers would lead to be named. I think it went to the very very top i think if the phones cross the water where politicians you know on and give the go ahead. Nuclear become a battleground in the us in vermont people are demanding the shut down of a local plant from yankee is right now my focus because its a very dangerous. Power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the pow