A 3rd green party and do you believe that what sanders calls his vision of democratic socialism can never really work in a Democrat Party has currently configured we need Real Solutions and the 2 major parties are not providing them the clout of crisis the inequality crisis we have declining life expectancies but a working class in this country because inequality each going to be people are having a hard time may have to choose between or in medical bills for example and we have a Nuclear Arms Race you know all these treaties we got all these trees next one is the new start treaty the beginning in the next president ial term so those are issues that need to be addressed the latter issue none of the Major Party Candidates are talking about him none of them are offering Real Solutions i would say Bernie Sanders is serious news Green New Deal which has been the green Party Signature issue for the last decade and he does address the inequality issue unfortunately pretty democrat. Yes and to the people he seems to be coming up short in the democratic primary but even if he got elected a independent party in the left like the green party would be his best our ass because the minute he tries to boost state medicare for our hes going to run into the democratic leadership in congress will look to people opposed to the those members of Congress Like people opposed to medicare nancy pelosi enjoyed schumer but you know you know the. Socalled progressive the Mainstream Media will either tell you it being a russian assets like they did jill stein actually made on this show in the past for the leader of the green body and let alone that the fact is your basically going to help donald trump retain the white house in november by splitting the vote if that were the democrats are responsible for splitting new gloat the last 2 republicans have been elected after they lost the popular vote by the Electoral College george bush in 2 down and donald trump in 2016 and weve been giving them the answer to that dead state rank Choice National popular vote and now were in both the fact of the Electoral College and the elections of the so that person came in 2nd in those 2 cases in also what is the problem of deciding to blow for the lesser evil is the greater evil when you really want to vote for somebody else Bernie Sanders he lost the nomination in 2016 but the issues he raised like medicare for our tuition free Higher Education in real Climate Action are now part of the real debate in the Democratic Party so you dont have to win artist to move to move the debate in the us we need to do well its a great democratic exercise why the green body always do so badly then where we have a winner take all system unlike most countries that have elections there proportional representation and we have a strong tradition we have got all this party in the world. Whats been called the 2nd most enthusiastic capitals party in the world its the democrats in and we have the Richest Party in the world the most of those if the gap was born in the world the republicans in their entrenched rienzo are if the people elected locally around the country in on a basis moving on up a state legislatures and congress why come out of retirement to run for the presidency especially when Bernie Sanders has up until a few days ago been the front runner to actually lead the Democrat Party the 1st time a socialist ever has where i am recently retired seems youre in and i was drafted by greens across the country when progress was going to the Democratic Party in vote for it ima get you dont know where that vote is from a standard socialist or a corporate is it gives lost in the sauce example i ran for governor of new york in 2014 of 5 percent of the book Governor Cuomo the adopted 3 key demands of my campaign because he wanted to compete for our votes and there was a ban on fracking 15 our minimum wage in paid family leave so there is little left it when i left it was in the Democratic Party it loses its independent voice and identity as an alternative just fine imagine cuomo the new york of course under a state of emergency because of coronavirus you do at least agree presumably with sanders that any possible corona virus vaccine should we made available free to all americans oh absolutely i mean just country has blown their response to corona virus under trump like worse than any other country we dont have to yes were not getting respirators for people who are sick we dont have that sufficient care facilities in the 7000000 people who are uninsured or under insured indeed only want to go to the doctor because they dont cost them too much trouble designers happy talk to start market in a back virus on an were in a real serious situation youre now your organs thank you well is it even possible to distribute a free vaccine in a country lie. The u. S. Arguably choked by big pharmaceutical multinationals joining me now via skype from San Francisco is computational immuno engineer and c. E. O. Of distributed bio Jacob Glanville who also features in the netflix talking series pandemic jake thanks for coming on to what is the latest on the search for the vaccine reports here are saying that the British Government favors a herd immunity response to let the virus run through the population a little would you think of a yeah so the reason theyre saying that is that there is currently no effective medicine and so theyre just preparing for the inevitable that large numbers of people will get infected. If you can slow down the rate of new infections thats better than having them head all at once because if they had all at once then you overrun your hospital i say use and you know a problem people dying in the waiting rooms with respect to where the medicines are there may be some good news in april where we have a series of antivirals that didnt work well against people up but they may work well here and there some h. I. B. Antivirals and an anti malarial so any success on any one of those fronts gives us a work in medicine the vaccine work is going to take much longer thats going to be 12 realistically more like 18 months before theres a back Seat Available its got some hurdles weve had previous cases of vaccines against kind of ours is that it backfired in animals and made the animals more susceptible through something called a body dependent enhancement and in general those studies just take a long time because when you give someone a vaccine you have to give them a couple boosts and you have to wait 6 or more weeks for them to have good protective immunity that means you cant give it to patients because by the time the vaccine would do any good theyd either be cured or debt now the 3rd category are monoclonal therapeutics so thats what i am engineering here distributed bio thats sort of skipping the middleman of a vaccine in producing the anybody directly so you can give that to a patient and it can be effective within 20 minutes thats what were working on in there some other groups also doing the same that would still be out into or at the earliest september that would be widely available but thats faster than the vaccines that some we know believe it but i understand that your desire for excess of all vaccines which obviously predates the Coronavirus Vaccine has arguably prevented you from getting funding why would that be. Well i dont think its prevented me from getting i would say i could have received funding ive been avoiding it because i want to work on. Broad spectrum vaccines and i want to finish the job to ensure that the whole world gets access to them so that. Makes me a little leery of working with public money or with Venture Capital because theyre going to run counter to their goals of the largest return on the stand the u. S. Military have a meet in touch with you about your research on coronavirus thats right weve been talking with dart biden recently u. S. Ammar just reached out we have a program where were trying to short circuit a lot of the research that goes into trying to rush to make a new medicine against kobe 1000 so what weve done is gone back to these and old anti stars anybodies from 2000 to nearly 20 years ago theyve been very well studied but they point at sars not of in 1000 we have a while why have they been so slow arguably to get in touch with you i think what happens is that when theres an outbreak like this the larger organizations have essentially lobbyists who can fly over there right away sit down and be like i give us the money right away where my attitude was i would rather walk softly but carry a big stick so i Just Launched my engineering programs i knew i could produce molecules faster and i figured that would be the right time to reach out so in this case i got a little lucky when they reached out to us because they heard about the programs if there are a preventable diseases like malaria still killing so many people around the world obviously mainstream Corporate Media a much more interested in coronavirus because its affecting the developed world why do you feel that the global south and the developing nations of this world are so important in the battle with viruses of this kind. Yes so you know the problem isnt that you dont have enough money for there to be a good working market for some of these supposedly neglected tropical diseases the issue is just that theres more money in cancer or right now more attention for 17 so part of my intention of our company and our mission is to go after making therapeutics against neglected tropical diseases as well as large scale diseases that affect everyone and just making the Company Small enough that we can become profitable so the Big Companies dont want to work on things like snakebite or they wont work as much on undoing it because the markets arent as big as something they could spend their money else on elsewhere and they have to only pay for blockbusters because if you have 30000 employees then you have to survive on a metabolism of blockbusters otherwise your company cant make it way but if thats so why is it do you think in fact we have the chief scientific officer of g s k one of the Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies in the world and why is it the Big Pharmaceutical Companies are being approached by governments and not to small Smaller Companies is that a mistake being made by governments as they pour funding into the Big Pharmaceutical Companies yeah i think sometimes you know you talk to the you know so its sort of like lobbying in general and yeah i would advise them to distribute those resources to the Big Companies because theyre professionals at best but theres a reason the Big Companies go in and buy up Small Companies once they build new medicines and that is that innovation happens more easily in smaller biotechs in a dozen the risk adverse large scale portfolios of make a pharmaceutical i think theres sort of a theres a fallacy of economy of scale in pharmaceutical companies you know all these groups get excited they start to get 100000 employees to just the idea oh if we had a 10 times more people we could produce 10 times more jobs and that is just never proven to be true i think when you actually run induced into institutional inefficiencies brought prosy and then too much isolation of the engineering from the the governance so in general it has been the case that large farm is go in and wait for innovation happens by a tax on it by those biotechs once they reach a certain my. But maturation now i know you mentioned that the malarial zombie hiv these different type of treatments being experimented with why do you think critical to future pandemics in terms of treatment will be the animal human transmission and research into into that dynamic well thats where the new dynamics come from so. It is easy which is already circling and humans will eventually develop that herd immunity you mentioned where people have had some exposure to it previously and then also the longer it is hes been around more likely will have established medicines for it so the really scary pandemics are often coming out of other species this is a very new looking virus a pathogen that we havent experienced before and so no one really has existing adaptive immune protection that happens here with the new Novel Coronavirus but it also happens when theres pandemic influenza where those are actually coming from pigs or birds and theyve been shuffled up there genetically with parts of the virus that can infect humans and so its a flu which sounds familiar but its actually flu from another species which means not us are prepared to respond to take the health and here. Thanks for having me after the break making a killing for grown a virus amidst crisis capitalism while more and more quarantine and major leaders paving the way for big profits from big pharma all the small coming up part 2 of going underground. For the super bowl for sure but all the little tractor and news media if the saw on the internet to start with. You feeling i mean just these full bore for you to want to know i dont know i do it is named for bush but i will push it i mean you know she is going to. Be. Welcome back in part one we have to meet all jacks with the Vaccine Company c. E. O. Glanville who suggested that even a Big Pharmaceutical Companies were willing to produce a vaccine they might not be able to do so quickly enough to make a difference so why are countries like the u. S. And the u. K. Paying them so much money and it did and as the director of global justice now joins me now nick thanks for coming back on next year in the United States why should we not expect the u. S. Health care system such as as it is to respond well to the coronavirus well its one of the most Market DrivenHealth Care Systems in the whole world i mean it it is more expensive than any other Health Care System in the developed world and it produces the least good health outputs. So you have things you know you have Human Development indicators the worse in the United States or anywhere else in the world because its a completely business dominated Market Driven system i mean corporate big corporations prey all on peoples illnesses and whether you get treatment or not depends on how much money is going to your pocket and however bad it is in the United States the near liberal countries across the world face similar dilemma when it comes to the virus it does not affect the 99 percent the same way as it affects the boy one percent of the world yeah i think thats an important point because people think Global Pandemic thats going to affect all of us is a kind of great leveler you know it could affect any one of us and of course to some degree it could but its not the same likelihood that its going to affect somebody who can afford able to work from home doesnt have a public facing job has good rates of sick pay and in the United States like you say you can afford to go and see a doctor and get a test i mean the problem is our country now as huge numbers of people on 0 hour contracts without proper right without proper sick pay that too scared to even admit if theyre feeling ill let alone be able to go and get the test and take the time off if they need to nothing in the budget that adequately addresses that here in britain no adequately no absolutely not absolutely not i mean i mean that that there are a whole groups of people who essentially can even use those kind of services migrant communities and that kind of thing. Huge homelessness problems of course here in london but i mean even for people who fall into some of the new safety net that was announced yesterday its a tiny tiny amount of money i think people are looking for some degree of protection and that the government is interested in their welfare and too many people i think believe and i think theyve got good justification to that essentially the government is interested in the markets is interested in protecting business but isnt particularly interested. In the experience of most ordinary people at this time well that was very much to say the chief scientific officer he was saying that the coalition of epidemic preparedness innovations call seppi is going to be amazing. To try to tackle the Coronavirus Crisis what it is be exactly its a kind of a Public Private partnership and not to say that it doesnt do any useful research or anything like that but in a way the very formation of this body is a proof of the failure of big pharma of the pharmaceutical industry which really is not is not fit for purpose is completely dysfunctional it does not to do the research into the diseases that affect most of most of humanity most seriously because theres no money to be made it doe