Underground the 1st u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson claimed that this weeks you gain teligent in Security Committees so called russia report showed allegations of russian control of elections in britain was just froth it was left under attack from members of his own body of a money and energy semitism to ramp up the cold war rhetoric and arguably call for the end of a free press in britain the report also highlights serious distortions in the coverage provided by russian state and International Broadcasters such as russia today the high court has ruled that russia today broadcasts the potential harm just the Prime Minister agree with me that its time to look at good but the licensing for russia today operates in the u. K. Johnson rebuked him for talk of defacto banning r. T. Television in britain referring to appearances by stars and predicts as a Jeremy Corbin having appeared on this show but that hasnt stopped britains state mandated medias fixation with the russia reporter who else to turn to them for an alice. Yes but the gray zone smacks movement all of the of the management of savagery joins me now by skype from washington d. C. Max thanks so much for coming back on so i guess 1st of all what do you make of this report the Expert Witnesses in russia Christopher Steel and the Intelligence Services own institute for state craft which are helps journalists get to the truth in the 1st place it was really remarkable for me to see someone who is been fully discredited in the United States in Christopher Steel appear as an Expert Witness just 2 days before we learned that steele had been an Expert Witness on this suppressed and overhyped report the Senate Judiciary committee revealed that several sources that steel used on his notorious dodgy dossier had called into question his credibility and said that they couldnt really attest to the legitimacy of the report that it was all over the place and then you have Chris Donnelly who is the head of a covert troll farm operating under the under cover as illegitimate institute for statecraft think tank that was actually the Integrity Initiative and was organizing clusters of journalists and friendly cold warrior politicians to meddle in other countries affairs including spain to destroy the careers of diplomats and National Security officials who are cozying up with russia in their view who are actually just to pro peace and was being secretly funded by the u. K. Foreign office this is a figure who you know should not be called out into public as an Expert Witness but provided testimony apparently for a report that ultimately failed to come to the conclusion of the hardcore russia gaiters and cold warriors and so now were being told that the scandal is that the m i 5 just simply didnt work hard enough to come to the highly politicized conclude. That russia was behind brags that we have by christmas feel and donnelly on the program it should be said that both of them deny anything like that and in fact the Integrity Initiative says theyre protecting our National Security here at home i should enter jack that i the gray zone sent a reporter to the institute for statecraft and had this our reporter mohamed el mozzie encountered Chris Donnelly he slammed the door in his face in a jacked it in from the office so weve given him the chance to comment as well and they obviously arent fans of transparency well obviously our intelligence and Security Committee in the house of commons disagrees with you in fairness the committee did say that the written evidence provided to us appeared to suggest that the majestys government had not seen evidence of successful interference in u. K. Democratic processes all our activity that had a Material Impact on the elections nevertheless it does talk about this t. V. Channel what do you make of circus dhamma saying one response to the report should be to look at the license many people see that as a seeing to ban this channel this program from british audiences here we have another instance of here starmer performing his designated raul as a servant of the National Security establishment which groomed and cultivated him when he was at the Crown Prosecution Service and there are a number of Unanswered Questions about here starmer we see him in forcing the. Semitism code of silence on anyone who questions u. K. Policy towards israel palestine as israel moves to annex large parts of the west bank and there are Unanswered Questions about his role in the persecution of Julian Assange i would like to know still why here starmer met with the head of the m i 5 for informal social drinks in april 2013 the year after he decided not to prosecute the m i 5 for torture time so ill try. Woodruff usual that he would say of course he would be close to m i 5 because he was the director of Public Prosecutions so he has some a close connection to Security State or im sure he would say that but what we have here is a case of heres starmer now acting in a Political Leadership role in forcing one of the in forcing the agenda of the Security State which is to silence this broadcast there which presents a counter hedging monic the un gives a platform to voices that otherwise wouldnt be heard in the u. K. And that threaten their political imperatives well hes controversially got his people to send a letter to the independent regulator here about our license meanwhile he was of course d. P. P. During julian a songes. Case with sweden before his torture currently going on according to the un in belmarsh prison an espionage act is one thing that is come out of this report and tell me since you have won already of course Julian Assange has wanted individual room for espionage how a foreign agents act could could benefit britain let alone an espionage act as regarding National Security well i think a lot of people have forgotten we had an espionage act on the book until on the books until the Obama Administration began prosecuting a Record Number of whistleblowers people like jeffrey sterling thomas drake John Kiriakou and then you know we saw the 1st publisher journalist transparency advocate in julian a songe being prosecuted under this act and so its had a Chilling Effect within the National Security state on people who consider themselves Public Servants and now its having a Chilling Effect in the media people are afraid i can tell you from my own experience in washington in just the mood among the press here that people are afraid 1st of all the speak out for julian assad and 2nd of all theyre afraid to publish state official. Secrets and that is the intended application of the espionage act its a completely outdated act i really fear for the u. K. If youre going to start bringing this across the atlantic well your a secretary of state might bump visited this week just as all this rusher aboard stuff was going and he congratulated the foreign secretary dominic grab for blocking while away from. Him to the progress in this country i understand that you have some doubts about the information were getting about we get concentration camps we have the images we have nathan law on this program i understand hes actually had tea with them i compare with the u. S. Ambassadors house in regents park this week what doubts do you have about the story were being told about millions and millions of we go muslims being maybe killed medlen tortured by the communist party of china i dont have reason to doubt that there is something that there is something going on in jinja that there could even be repression but when we hear these constant stories that anywhere from 112th to one quarter of the entire population are in concentration camps we have to go and examine the evidence and the data and at the gray zone we have done just that we examined the source data on the claims of millions of leaders in socalled concentration camps and we found that it boils down to 2 sources one a figure named adrian sense who is a german evangelical who has no ability to speak chinese i dont believe hes ever been to china hes declared that he is on a mission from god against china his only published book is about the rapture and it is filled with homophobic. Language about diversity being a say tannic plot and this is a character that the victims of communism a moral fund a right Wing Organization has brought to washington as its key at. Spur and his own data doesnt stand up the other group is the chinese human rights defenders which is funded by the Us Government and which took interviews with 8 week or his engine jang and extrapolated from the population of their villages the finding or approximation of anywhere between 250001 1000000 people in concentration camps chinas admitted that it has Education Centers but we havent seen the evidence for these massive claims and of course why are we hearing about this all now at this is all the language the hostile language of a cold war weapon izing a Minority Group who has a lobby here in washington under the auspices of the world we are a congress which is funded by the Us Government through the cia cut out the National Endowment for democracy will trump says that the burning at the use of a consulate alone is evidence of something suspicious being done by the chinese just to quickly lets get to portland because images are being transmitted on some even some Mainstream Media outlets and one of these going on in portland up why is the army on the streets there chad wolf who is the acting secretary of the department of Homeland Security who has not been confirmed by the senate and probably will not be justified this entire presence of. Troops this trumps personal praetorian guard what some of called his guest stop 0 on the basis of graffiti being around portland theyve been attacking and initially mostly Peaceful Protesters and what their presence has done is stirred up an actual physical confrontation with people in portland and this is what trump wants its obviously an election ploy to start a culture war in the United States and theres a deeper problem here which is that the president does have some authority to play this out because of the establishment of the department of Homeland Security and all the power. Or that the Security State was granted after the shock of 911. 00 and it was only a matter of time before president define his domestic political enemies as terrorists when he does he does we tweet you of course famously dont trump and henri tweet me you know is really in that president ial record of donald trump hey look this so many templates that gray zone covers from venezuela to yemen the worlds worst humanitarian crisis british an American Arms Company involved things that weve tried to cover on this channel which as i said this letter im molding show to the labor party babs doesnt want gov it is one template syria because james the missouri a who was found dead outside a window is head of the White Helmets they were backed i think they may still be backed by the British Government the british taxpayer and alone the american taxpayer what do you make of the latest allegations that he was corruptly using that money have presumably money from the british an american taxpayer as he led this humanitarian group in syria i always thought the real scandal with the socalled syrian White Helmets who are actually run by a British MilitaryIntelligence Officer and james them or syria or from Southern Turkey was that this money from the usa id and the British Foreign office was being used to cruise to establish an ancillary of jihadist organizations extremist organizations that were committing human rights atrocities and making life miserable for syrians but now weve kind of reached the denouement of this organization with the mysterious death of lamar syria and dutch media confirming that apparently lemmer syria was committing some sort of fraud that led to a suicide and there had been some theories that he had actually been killed because the fall from his window didnt appear likely to have killed someone but the issue is that limb or syria was not operating aboveboard he was deceiving donor governments possibly for years. And then when donor governments found out about this fraud according to this dutch media report they concealed it from the public this is one of the biggest scandals of the last decade the White Helmets and the syrian proxy war as a whole and i think this is inappropriate dating im all for such a scandalous and arguably criminal operation the White Helmets who we have the boss off they refuted any allegations of our work with alqaeda or nice as they ask course we we invite the Foreign Office and the state department to stand up their record to the funding of the organization next blumenthal thank you. Thanks for having me after the break conservative peer lord balfour and whether a lot of me have putin as spies in the house of lords because the u. K. Intelligence and Security Committees russia reports appears to allege. All this of all coming up about to have going underground. Syria has been engulfed in civil war through almost 10 years its cost hundreds of thousands of lives and displaced millions more no one foresaw the peaceful protests of 20 of them this collating into a complex conflict between various armies geopolitical interests rebel groups and just. How they are needed in the book on this. But if you tell us if you say in the hague because of the. Mess at the top look cool. How do you know deep going to lick. Them on. An ordinary i sat down i. Missed athens the other day and then ashamed that i didnt miss the hague a shout that he. Joined me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sport business im showbusiness ill see that. Welcome back the long delay russia report has called out the arguably most Contentious Chamber in the u. K. Parliament thats a lords for allegations that some of its members have business interests with Russian Companies linked to the kremlin joining me now from london is lord valve conservative peer and former member of the as National Relations committee at the house of lords thanks so much labelle for coming on so what do you make of the russia report in the fact that it clearly states that arguably a shadow is cast over britain 2nd chamber not quite saying that its a nest of putin spies or he actually sorry some members of the 2nd. Have connections inhibitions sense to russia i mean secularism you do forget that the russian major lonely night of the Evening Standard so things would be sufficient going on at once directions im sure the Evening Standard would say has nothing to do with loving me or putin and in fact what this is referring to. Is russian power in london grad as named in the report and therefore doing the business of the kremlin deep in the heart of the palace of westminster rather especially. Ring is also different interests me only she hopes here i mean after all were pushing my house a lot because we know something and i spent 5060 years or marched even with Foreign Affairs beyond my keep this out would not some opinions and it would be remiss of me if i did not repeat it while im here to give my advice they can ignore it. You know thats what i get your kind of echoing the words of the Prime Minister birth johnson any truth do you think him and what johnson was saying he said this is the big about the report is basically a failure of remain in the desire to say the brics it was. Was created in effect by the russian government well if it was youre not the russian government doesnt it to you not much to do with any foreign governments to do with the bases in your phobia of the people who are teaching leave the euro. I certainly most. Blame russia for us losing the current well th