A tory bank bailout austerity something that may have contributed to britains poor response to coronavirus coming up in the show in the wake of these perfect storm revelations we asked dr jacobs plan well start of netflixs pandemic about the race for a vaccine and why lockdowns seem to be the only cure some nations understand and as the u. K. Government sparks outrage with its approach to everything from the arts to refugees to a man who came to this country as a refugee from somalia sheffields youngest lord mayor and former green party any magic magic about fighting a system led by politicians blind to the damage they cause all the some more coming up in todays going underground but 1st in this month of the anniversary of the u. S. Backed murder of revolutionary change in bolivia the poorest country in latin america tomorrow goes to the polls up for grabs for nato affiliated multinational corporations in bolivias elections are the Worlds Largest known deposits of lithium used in the batteries of all our mobile phones and computer. Has former president evo morales had struck deals with nato nation media vilified countries russia and china before he was arguably overthrown by the socalled washington consensus here he is describing to the former president of ecuador Rafael Correia here on r t whats at stake some of the groups in whose hands are going to make power is concentrated in not forgive us for creating social movements especially the indigenous populations movement which has changed the image of our beautiful country the also cannot forgive us for nationalizing our Natural Resources and Strategic Companies which has improved believe his Economic System upon the successful creation of a developed lithium industry mr oldmeadow and i lent to sadly the in prices on the world market i realized that some industrialized countries are afraid to compete 1st in the field of Technological Development and 2nd they do not want other countries to follow the example of our economic model which is based on socialism even if morales is Movement Toward socialism or mass wins tomorrows elections against opponents including those who support nato policy though the postcoup massacres of Indigenous People by those defacto backed by the west are as nothing compared to the impact of coronavirus on a vessel neoliberal private health state joining me now from San Francisco and california for the latest developments as to freeing the earth from the specter of covert is dr jacob land bellew reached out to President Trump when he caught the deadly virus jacob welcome back to going underground so weve heard johnson and johnson eli lilly those companies that trump used to talk about a lot of the podium at the white house theyve had to stop there are trials just tell me what you think trump took before we get on to the why there are context of responses what a trump take to save his life right. Medicine supersede mark pretty early but i actually think that neither action a treatment that he received to anybody. General are you received as of yet. Just antiviral gilliatt and that he received. Now these do 3 Different Things they have a body serves to go in neutralize the virus they get everywhere in the body except they dont get in the top layer of lung tissue very well then the antiviral rendez of the air is basically slowed down the virus once its already in a cell or maybe more obvious that cell and then finally the steroids what it really does is it knocks down your immune system its normally they give it to you way later in the infection when their goal is to stop your muses going from overreacting and attacking your lungs your are maybe even your brain so they decided to get all 3 at once and in this case it seems like you and i just away from kobe just for a 2nd ive been saying on this show regeneration that had links to cuba because the c. E. O. Once visited cuba ive also been repeating something some Mainstream Media outlets have that the region or on the treatment may be based on fetal stem cells i understand ive been talking rubbish. Half truths so in 1983 there was a study and another once where they isolated a act uniting 3 human embryonic any cell number 293 this is a human cell it was derived from a fetus and that cell it was immortalized so you can grow never any copies of it and over the next 50 years that those copies of that use of that cell ended up in laboratories all over the world such that most out of Technology Companies use actually 13. 00 is just at the false self you want to grow proteins that come out of human cells be dont have to go and a person to take their tissue and you can use acting 13 and so thats been used by laboratories all over the world to generate the virus but i do the same to say that every Biotechnology Group has been working on a virus prices probably use act united through a certain points during their research you know ok well it will be up to a week only barrett to presume were on the Supreme Court to figure out privy angles there on us is weighed certainly that context. Back to the actual vaccine you think that we shouldnt be overly concerned about the fact theres not being as yet a peer reviewed. Level trial vaccine yes i mean we need those those trials. But i am an optimist that the vaccines are going to work in the data so far from multiple vaccines and theyre all exceeding expectations the threshold was set pretty low by the f. D. A. Oh if you percent effectiveness i think were seeing in excess of 80 percent. That vaccines are listening anybodys and you know anybody can provide protection some of that axioms are also stimulating t. Cells well still need those base 3 trials with the vaccine all under all because those are the trials we start making our rare attention the important side effects and thats also in the base 3 trials when youre actually letting a bunch people out into society and seeing if they get sick or not so there was one of the trials that was caused because of a couple subjects seen like that neural inflammation there article inflammation after receiving the vaccine so theyre checking to see is the sister one sense or is the presence of this vaccine somehow causing the immune system to attack maybe this person was in fact you were on a virus and now its attacking their nerves maybe the vaccine cause neurological act this is very rare but it is something that has been observed in vaccines previously is that the astra zeneca said the one dribble to which some people have already been saying they may have restarted the trials 2 too soon im not sure what your view is. We all likely would need to see the data to know i think it you know there there have been. Cases ambar syndrome associated vaccines previously so this is not unprecedented and we know that the current a virus does in fact its not all tissue thats one of the unique things about this virus youve been not in this whole year is that there is a risk that this this virus gets out loss it can in fact are tissue infect ranges shared neurons so we need to keep in mind with our vaccines and whether anybody therapies that theres going to be some group that while that axiom is kicking in they may get infected so thats what were checking for is to make sure that actually doesnt it in an early start causing tissue now again were not confirm that thats a problem yet it may be just fine but thats certainly something scientists are thinking i mean you last time you were on we talked a little bit about how big Multinational Pharmaceutical Companies seem to be benefiting from Research Money has that improved since i must put to you. Not yet but im going to be that we have anybody carries on these Big Companies they have obviously spent billions of dollars in many decades paving the way for technologies that i now use but it would help i think for there to be more chips on the table on more Technology Companies so my company in particular are anybody is different than the other. Chose to turn off are the anybody that causes activation of the union system and this was a safety feature we were concerned that you could potentially el patient by giving anybody a lot of virus at the same time it made us information that could be problematic i think what companies and countries should choose to do is invest in gold prices because we do not know yet which ones that we do know that clearly. Molecule has just been poz because of safety concerns now we dont know what that is and it may be unrelated but this trial has a mystery illness as all we know because this is all top secrets of elf from the Big Pharma Companies go so imagine that that is the safety of factor comes your problem general is going to have the same problem and you really want to have in your back pocket an alternative solutions such as our molecule which may be protected from that so thats the reason you dont want to put all your eggs in one basket i think everybody thinks theres going to be this great Vaccine Party when the vaccines that these are great im glad we have them but the truth is not everyones going to take them they dont work on everybody and theres a lady. And you have a lot up and were going to have a very confusing 2021 where people are going to continue to all who are in the Hospital System so thats why we need a therapy and a vaccine and thats whats going to get the world back on track and i think that that message should really permeate the 1st out of 24 i mean i do with thing is i suppose it permeates better with the public at large maybe than the stenographer journalist who just read the big pharma press release where you have with your treatment for coronavirus yeah so we were fortunate that we 1st off my my companys profitable i didnt develop antibodies for about that. There are mostly to accompany it so i was able to invest my own money into pursuing this there because i believed it was necessary you benefit from by laboratories across 3 nations that helped us validate our molecule as neutralizing the on a virus and protect it asters from getting sick and then we benefited from charles or laboratories surprised us supported our safety in Toxicity Research and are working with your Great Companies add in that little or sigma out there doing our manufacturing of the drug so this present position to start our studies early in the new year we are knocking on doors still in the United States and were beginning to talk to other countries as well as Additional Resources that accelerate that so we essentially start in december but either way the studies once they start their fast because unlike a vaccine study reacted get a bunch of shots go under people and wait a long time for the vaccine there and and then wait longer another 3 months to see if theyre acted within anybody there your studies are a few weeks the is you grab people in a shot ospital you test them there go that positive saturday be on their on their arm and then over the next 10 days you know where the drug and that means you can very quickly face one face to face 3 thats the good news bottom line is our medicine will be available. 2020 well given your star that netflix film maybe should get money from them but do you think about other countries i mean im going to ask the geopolitical let alone the k. Street big pharma angle to funding for these things the u. S. The National CounterintelligenceSecurity Center apparently is as it says in russia china and iran are preventing the u. S. From getting a covert vaccine now one presumes do they mean the russian sputnik 5 vaccine which tens of thousands of taken but then the press here say rush is lying about that vaccine one of the geo political stakes specially in the context of you maybe getting funding from abroad of this panacea to corona virus so look at. As a computational biologist and algorithm developer theres this concept of boosting which says if youre building an algorithm to solve a problem its actually better to have multiple Different Solutions and then have all sort of compete to create a solution its sort of what were having globally and im actually glad that there are multiple there are back scenes lucians all over the world and theyre obviously they need to be tested in any useful way and we need to accurately report the results there are governments and companies that have self interest here that may misaligned with the public good and i think thats something we need to keep an eye on but but ultimately we have a challenge and that is that no single entity is going to produce enough vaccine to protect the whole earth and we need to do that and so were actually better off having multiple options that work a little different and theyre all doing different manufacturing so if you make that goes out there and then we will shift gears whatever vaccine works best as well the lockdowns continue i mean here with us to talk about it im sure in the United States i mean thats the pelosi speaker the have said u. S. Regulations are tougher than the ones over here in britain maybe yes or seneca pox a vaccine might not even be able to be used in the United States as these sorts of criteria are really going to make a big difference to the response in some countries and no in others as regards kovan yeah i think there are going to be some differences and that is something that we spend some time on it for anybody therapy you run into this issue right so we are a u. S. Based company we focus on talking with the f. D. A. And b. As in theory there are going to been large amounts of money available that we have and access the majority of it but at the same time hes a problem for us i would be deeply unsatisfied and in fact it does not solve the problem if our drug just is available at the u. S. And groups that accepts. Decisions by the f. D. A. On on what constitutes an acceptable medicine that is part of the world but you have to consider all their friends regions of the world and if youre serious we are serious as a collective Human Society about this and then we need to make sure that the medicines are accessible and affordable. Medicines are accessible people can take them. And what we know is that those people will just keep reinventing every one of us even if youre a psychopath you should still want to have everyone on the world that is in a need to be affordable as well this isnt a major problem ive seen so far is that people are writing to you produce these medicines there are large corporations were looking and saying oh were going to eat in excess of 10000000000 dollars and 2020. Thats great for that would motivate them to solve the problem but it actually hasnt because if theyre charging so much erdos that not everyone can afford it then again theres going to be many people who are going to be in fact the rest of us and we do not talk to Jacob Glanville thank you thank you after the break from sheffield to the European Union to the white house we talked disrupting the going to trickle status quo with the youngest lord mayor of sheffield the one of the last u. K. I. P. Peace magid mind you all this or more coming up about to going underground. Welcome back from an arguably haphazard approach to coronavirus restrictions to allegations that the home secretary considered building an asylum Processing Center on the u. K. s most remote territory in the suggestion that those working in the arts should retrain for some it has been another ugly rocky week for the u. K. Conservative government one which some of noted as not being reflected by a majestys opposition so with no formal pushback to an arguably destructive government approach how can one utilize their own abilities to fight for justice and equality one man who has experience pushing back against powerful forces from a seemingly new liberal Labor Council to the president of the United States is the youngest ever lord mayor of sheffield and former green m. E. P. Magic his new book the art of disruption and manifest of a real change is out now and going underground Deputy Editor charlie cook caught up with him to talk about it not to think you start to carry on going underground youre the youngest sheffield and youre one of the last year k. M. A. Pays to tell us about the arts of disruption your new book slash manifesto so and this book is a guide in courageous doing batson against the angel palestra which is going to not be what life im politics they can use stories from becomes a contrast refugee with my family aged 5 growing up in a possibly Northern City jeff fields and right foods me being a council an old man being an elected Member European Parliament so i guess if you want to know if you want to make a change because small you dont know where to start this book is definitely you you mentioned coming from somalia as a refugee just tell me about that. Basically and there was a civil war happening within somalia and we could have ended anywhere in the world like many of the people many of the refugees have to leave the home for many Different Reasons to be honest and we left our family our friends everything behind just to kind of seek safety. And you and we can and it up in sheffield that it was done. A brief stint in ethiopia and ended up coming to sheffield for those that on the sheffield is the 1st city of century in the u. K. Its got a very long rich history in welcoming people from all across the world and despite what the had right wing media tabloids tell you a lot of refugees dont come to make anyones life an