Looking after Small Business getting money out the door, the war effort to create a vaccine in the partnerships. Our government has done with the private sector with the pharmaceutical firms, a very impressive, but at the country has not done well with 4 percent of the population and 20 percent of the deaths in the world. 210000 people, a 1000000 have died in the the, in the world, were not doing well. And then it goes back to the answer to question President Trump has not done well. As commander in chief, his sole purpose should be at this juncture of the safety and security of the American People. And hes let us now. He has come forward even just in the last week has said this, mary, she should not be afraid. And as a heart transplant surgeon, as a cardiac surgeon out, never tell a patient, dont be afraid of this virus, it is deadly. People need to respond. And in the response, you told people to do the wrong thing, that mask are not important. And that social distancing really doesnt have the impact. What do you make of holy returned home from the hospital . Landing on the lawn there. And then taking off the bat, ask what you know the in the big picture and ill put my position hat on. I think it was good. He went to the hospital, i think he had a potentially deadly disease. We dont know what the right middle of it. He is still infectious. I think it was good. He went to the hospital, he was ok. He came home from the hospital much the doctors had cleared him, still infectious. My expectation would be, he has be pretty, protects other people in the hospital. And i think the grandstand thing in coming home was totally unnecessary. And i think the American People are very disappointed is seeing that 5 minute pause with the cameras going where he, he clearly wanted to project leadership in that hes beat this virus, but thats not the right message. Now for the American People, the people here in nashville to our own families, i think is totally inappropriate. What do you make of this president where, you know, he won a lot of the things that he said and a lot of people dont agree with the things that hes put forward in terms of his campaign and initially. But if you look at the progress thats been made in stripping back regulations, make it easier to start a Small Business. Hes done. Well overall, i think with manufacturing jobs, he has projected this image of leadership and say all that. And ive been broadly disappointed in the integrity in the trust in to what i want my children and my grandchildren to look up to as president of the United States. And it really comes down to whats been manifested with this virus, which shows that he has been anti science. That he puts hypothetical things out, which have not been proven. And because his voice is so loud, it leads people in the wrong direction. So hes done a lot of positive things, but this lack of integrity and directness with the American People when were talking about their safety and security has been disappointing. Well, from all of that, can i assume we have all been for joe biden . Well i dont want to get in what im voting for leiria at this point, and i think the we do have a choice in this particular election going forward. And im very hopeful the next 30 days, the differences in policies will be articulated a new think that the election will be determined in large part by President Trump at what he does over the next 30 days. A lot of people will be voting for him because of President Trump, and there are a lot of people, most people will be voting. Who vote for biden, not me. Maybe not most people, but a lot will be voting against what he has projected as president states. The white house is now a call that hotspot is a surprise, you know . Sadly, it doesnt only because every image that has been projected out of the most visited, most respected house in the world. That is, the white house has been one of disrespect for what science has said. This is not like were just starting where we didnt know if masks really were good, we didnt know how transmissible, but this is after a 1000000, people have lost their lives. We have this science. And yet, even at the beginning of last week, we saw people without masks, no respect for social distancing with the commander in chief, having huge rallies with tens of thousands of people together, not respecting the science. Its sad, i was very hopeful that the president would use this as a pivot point and now show the empathy of the 2 100000 people who died in this country. The 1000000 people around the world that there are things that we can do now. And if we dont do that, or if we continue to follow his example, will be hundreds of thousands more people who die. What about the treatments, the treatment that hes received, including a call about cocktails and being viral drug things that the public isnt getting well to do. Issues of the equity issues of whether Vulnerable People would have gotten that trip lancers. Absolutely, no, because it does the United States and doctors were very open because he was president , he got everything of the treatments, been very good, the room disappear, or the antibodies agree. And again, a fantastic therapy that will be hearing a lot more of a lot of these monoclonal antibodies will come forward in the next 3 months. And i think thats almost equally exciting as to the vaccine itself. The next a method zone, which is a steroid, is a high, high, high dose of steroids. And i bacuna 1st met me of 25 years ago. I use those steroids in my transplant patients. And they are very effective figure the science shows, but they can also show disturbances in manifest side effects of disturbances of, of impulse, of a d. And lack of good decision making. Or when you have covert 19, how long a oh, infected, you know, we dont we say 2 weeks and some people say as long as 20 days and that science is really being worked out today. But the, you know, the best data today now is it from the onset of symptoms within 2 weeks if youre no longer transmissible. But again, its an individual thing. It depends on the initial bara load and thats sort of a gross average. So we dont really know if you take a particular. Ready person, but we know on average about 2 x. How do you rate the quality of information that we get from trumps doctors at the white house has been so mixed. I do think some of the media has it has been nit picking it. I mean, these are record doctors are not trained communicators. A lot of it is stage of dell has been staged by the president s people. So i dont want to be too hard on the doctors and nor do i think that we need to know every single finding that is. Ready out there, so id give the doctors a b. Plus or a solid b. Plus as a physician, id like to know more. But you know, there is a limit as to how much you should get out the American People. Whats the fine line between what a patient can tell a doctor to say, can the president say dont say anything. Oh yeah. Oh youre absolutely. You know, i havent been implemented. Laws have been in that position once you are there. It is generally expected that most personal information is going to be made public. With this president , weve seen a lot of withholding of information come back to his tax returns and hes been able to get away with it. In this particular case, i dont think that we need to know a lot more. We know its a deadly disease. We know hes in the middle of it. We know he is still transmissible and, and him, but what is infectious that other people could be infected . We know hes gotten the extent of the very best therapy thats out there today. His care needs to be continued. He again is sort of right in the middle of it, and it is not over. Were at the end us about the white house projection from the back lawn in the steps. He wanted to project that it was that he has beat this virus and comes back to dont be afraid of it, and that is the wrong message. He has like every other person of viruses, dont know who theyre attacking, they will attack anybody anywhere in the world. And no person is above this virus and, and people need to know that so that they will wear their mask and take the appropriate precautions, which we absolutely know are life savings. The white house reportedly is not doing extensive Contact Tracing for people who attended the white house celebration for the Supreme Court nominees are a good idea. No, its crazy. Given what we know today, and we know that context, racing is one of the most effective tools that we have in order to prevent the spread of disease. And we have a locus that is in the white house with as many as 20 people in the president s inner circle having been infected. And this is exponential, its not just one person infecting one person, thats end of it. One person can affect one person, poppy people 1050 or 100. And when you start saying that men, hundreds of people through the white house who had this exposure to this, this nucleus, this, this note of infection and not be able to trace it as they fly back across the country is inexcusable. Why as a doctor, this infection was living dr. You had a little nuts, right . You know, you did transfer heart transplants and Lung Transplants for unknown to him years. And with that, the virus is where my enemy, i would actually give people the sort of steroids that the president is on. And the biggest concern is that a virus would come in and take them out. So i have always been afraid of these viruses. And i have been trained in terms of barley, jian and immunosuppression pretty heavily at some pretty good places and im petrified of them. So i hate to see the leadership of our country come out and say, dont be afraid, dont worry about it. We can all be ok. Do you or your oreo get orders . But i worry about a 2nd bump only because of the flu and the flu. The common influenza and everybody do get a flu shot. Ive got mine and just everybody just cant get your flu shot. Dont ask, i should just go get it. And i say that very seriously, with the flu coming in, it can be very confusing in terms of the symptoms themselves and people. But we just hope that theyll still quarantine. But will people get flu shots . Will they get the appropriate testing . More people will be staying indoors and we know that this virus is that once its indoors is more dangerous, its more deadly if its in a building that its outside it, we know that increasingly people will be spending time inside. And many states today are like 2 weeks ago, were seeing an increase in the incidence of this infection and hope it doesnt continue. And thats why its all the more important to do the social distancing wearing masks, get a flu shot, what we know words, what were right back with bill, frist and more politicking right after this. Israel media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed what will make you feel safe, isolation, full community, are you going the right way or are you being led to direct . What is true . What is faith . In the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths or in maine in the shallows. I was always on the board, but its definitely a big city. Bright, like you jump, but unities and many dangers that occur when youre going to blatantly to do. Its also a city where up to 300000 crimes are committed every going to before the last one, but it will renew almost. Its thought that there was at least one Police Officer for every 200. 00 residents in russias capital cost on the english. I think all but then the people like me the not the with the uk police in the room for most of the people already. And the last to welcome back to politicking bill frist the former g. O. P. Senator from tennessee who served as a Senate Majority leader from 2003 to 2007, heart and Lung Transplant surgeon and host of the podcast. A 2nd opinion, rethinking american healthy, is in nashville. Tell me about your podcast, larry, we have been doing that by gas. You kind of inspired me 25 years ago in terms of the communication field. And i try to do a lot of your approach to trying to cut right now into the heart of the matter, the bypass we do weekly, its on, as you can imagine, health and we target the Health Policy world with the medical world of medicine and code and wellbeing and Mental Health with this 3rd sector of innovation and how we can solve problems. So its called a 2nd opinion and weve had huge success with it and we cant cut right through the matter. We have addressed all sorts of issues. We have government officials like the with this we have a leadership in government. We have some of the smartest innovators in terms of pharmacology, pharmaceuticals starting businesses around Mental Health and behavioral health. And then we come back to talk about health and well being that health is not just going to the hospital or getting a flu shot, but it really involves our wellbeing, our Mental Health and behavioral health. So thank you. Youve been an inspiration and with that we look forward to another. Great, since by the way is the title a 2nd opinion is a 2nd opinion, always a good idea. You know, its a good idea, but its a great question we talk about in our pilot guest a lot because it today where there is so much information coming in probably a 100 fold information comes in every day now that even 5 years ago that its next to impossible for a single physician to keep all of it in their head today with artificial in teligent synagogue, minute intelligence, and the use of Digital Communications and archiving of information. Its getting a little bit easier. So a 2nd opinion is not always necessary. But for those complicated, whether its a diagnosis or potential treatment or a pathological specimen, i do how they recommend a 2nd opinion. What do you make of this rejection of science on the part of many politicians and many in the public . Why would you reject science . You know, larry, the whole fake news has made it worse. And when i came to the United States senate, an issue when i was there just for 12 years. And i was the only physician in the senate. The last one had been there in 192865 years before in washington, d. C. Where it has gotten a little bit better. You know, there are a few more people knockers in the senate, but for the most part in washington there is a lack of appreciation in the legislative branch of science. This anti Science Movement is difficult to, to explain. But people will come back and say, well, initially said, dont wear a mask and we do same way or mask. Now, thats not a rejection of science. Of saying science is wrong. This is a science. It depends on the accumulation of data over time. And the collection and analytics of that data are what makes science overall. Ready so it has been aggravated again by the white house, which has had a clear anti science approach to the Biggest Challenges that weve had in a medical, maybe in an existential sense, in any regard in my lifetime. And to have much of whats coming out of the white house, either be anti science or having actively tried to influence what places like the c. D. C. Are putting out in terms of guidelines which is based on science has been disappointing,. I will say, i know the c. D. C. , well i know the scientists there well have depended on their information for 30 years. And for 20 solid years when i was practicing medicine and they are the best and in america to go far in the world and to go from this sort of Gold Standard down to this sort of, you know, people have a bad distrust of that. Its been very disappointing to me. It can be reversed course. The science is good, it is there, and ultimately i think it can. It can come back out on top. How do you explain it to yourself . I can explain anti science, you know, everything that ive done when we 1st figured out how to do heart transplants in heart Lung Transplants in the 1st cardiac surgery. It was all, all based on science. When you look at pharmacology in the monoclonal antibodies in the vaccines, it all is science that is built around blinded to double blinded, controlled trials. So the rejection of all these fundamentals that we know have worked that have saved millions of lives in the past is really not understandable to me today. It is complicated by the whole fake news thing where, but where out there people say science does not mean anything. So its incumbent on the scientists not only to do good science, but to develop good communication in promoting what is healthier. And that is effective science, which we know is life savings. Couple of political questions. You think the republicans will lose when jollity in the senate . You know it, it depends on what happens in the next 30 days. Much of this election is built around a President Trump, and hes in intensivist in the sense that how is he is going to be both pull out the republicans and that base of republicans and the intensivist also for the democrats who basically just cant stand what he may so a lot is going to depend over the next 30 days. I think if, if the elections stays on, coded, lack of trust coming out of government, lack of integrity, anti science. This bravado of it were something that were not. I think things will switch to do that will go democratic for sure. I think if republicans and it can effectively go where president trop is strong, at least at boeing today. And that is that he can handle the economy better than biden, that it will swing bridge public, and that the republicans will keep the senate and present trouble when i will have to say over the last 2 and a half, 3 weeks. Where every day the Trump Campaign has had a misstep, has stayed on coded have stayed with this argument. The American People just dont believe that we beat this virus. It is going to be less likely that at least President Trump went. And i think its too early to tell, its too early to make predictions. Today, we know all the popular polls. We know what theyve been in the past, but i think its going to be what happens to 2 or 3 days before the el