Transcripts For RT Interview 20240704 : vimarsana.com

As soon as i live, and especially if im not gonna miss some problem. All right, thank you very much for your time. Well, we can state now that the 2nd trasha, africa, som, it has taken place regardless of what the west and media try to write about that. What do you see around us today . Those the 1st best place from what there was to in that for saw me for years ago in 2019. What has changed things that you have the most theres menial system. But i think the very approach has changed during that 1st summit. Our goal was to declare that russia is returning to africa. We were making a statement today. So there was a session when a speaker said that in russian, the verb to do has 2 aspects are effective and in protective name perspective. Aspect means to be doing walter effective means to finish doing something to arrive at a certain result. So i think as the summit we arrived at Great Results because we werent speaking very specifically very consistently. We realized that the African Market is usually promising for us. I mean, we really came to understand that on all levels, not just on the level of lets work with africa, could be an opportunity. But because we need it, we need it because many other markets that we use to look at are now closed for us. Willingly or not, we had to set our sights on all their markets, including the african awareness. And while we have worked with china for quite a while, and the market has grown by 2 or 2. 5 times now, the African Market still remains a place that we need to expand. We are willing to do that. And whats important, we realize that we should cooperate with africa, not only through trade, but through helping build advocacy future on the base of its goals. And those goals are, 1st of all, Industrial Development and energy development, followed by improvement of education and scientific cooperation. This is the same range of opportunities that russia can open up for africa because those rushes trunk to as and most, for example, we had this science session today. Ive just come back from it when they were planning it, our scientists would ask is, what are we going to talk about with the africans . So one of the speakers was me, hired to bug charge room and head of the course shut off institute, where the automatic bomb was created. Maybe it is thanks to that bomb. We are still alive because me higher go to better would say, had it not been for the bomb. The whole world would have long bean and american colony, so called like chip noted and his address that the 1st textbook of x rays, he had read as a student, was published in 1939 by a south african scientists with via the votes africans. And us have similar approaches to science. We both talk about scientific and technological sovereignty. They ask, why should we just adopt others technology. We need to develop our own and rely on our century long experience and with the interest of our countries in mind. Instead of doing something that somebody else needs, that is fine as through grants and serves to advance someone elses agenda because one of the sessions devoted to the environmental agenda, a young woman from an african country was beacon. And i had the impression that she had been completely trained and school to in this western approach. She spoke a lot about the green agenda about the importance of advance in it and about how climate issues are important to africa. However, older than these 3 points, she said nothing else, no word was said about how to combine those problems. What has to be changed . Who is responsible for the climate situation that we find ourselves in and why countries that didnt contribute so much to the pollution of the environment like africa, for example. Now for some reason have to pay for the mistakes of others. You know, if i could have recorded a video of her, you would have been an example of how young people are trained now in the west. Besides, i speak certain african languages. So i addressed that young woman in her countrys native language. But she immediately switched to english. It goes to show that ross, i cannot afford to miss its oppertunity. If we stop our efforts in active cooperation with africa, we are going to boost africa because the west has lots of programs to brainwash africas youth. And they are willing, paid well to do that. Whats important though is that there was very few people like that girl here. Most of our forum guests from africa know very well what they want from restaurant. Its one thing. Second, they realize that we are in the same boat. We both want to get rid of the legacy of you calling your lives in, which hasnt gone anywhere. Moreover, its taking new forms, one of the worst of which is the intellectual and information space. It applies also to the field of mass media or western Media Outlets dominate. It applies to the intellectual spirit as well when both education and science are designed to serve the interest of the west. We have a common understanding of our goals and a common desire to resist the pressure. Yeah, frequent showed that very vividly during the summit was there can be a lot to talk about on this. And there has been coverage in the media that was the 1st time it had 44 president s. Only 17 president s showed up this year. Well, lets not pride about the number of president s in attendance. Lets look at the real results. Especially considering that a total of 29. 00 delegations came to rush off from africa, which is a very good number which accredited sort of those funds to some of them. And then you mentioned the same boat that we are rain. I think there is yet to not the us back to where we share the same boat daddys values. And this is the values that are being enforced now will be a moral wants. Touching upon things like family tender and old base. We see resistance on the part of african countries against the enforcement of those values d. C. We have these commonality between russia and africa countries in this aspect as well. When we give them up room, i think this is certainly i will share a little secret with you when were preparing for different lenary session. We talked with the president of our country will admit to attempt to arrive to before the session, begin and talk to the participants of the Plenary Session, ask them short questions. And during that conversation, brazils ex husband and do my research that said that people needed to build the wealth, to which our president responded is thats the most important thing is. Well, the main goal of what we are trying to do. She said, of course not that we need to reach a certain level and that is true. The west is focused on over consumption. And that doesnt make any sense. Who needs all that . Then i phones or 20 pairs of shoes will not make you happy or eating hamburgers all day will not make you happier. But that is the model. They offer consumers and the devoid of any spiritual dimension people are taught to consume and not give back. In such attitude gives spreading globally, it is imposed on the african countries present to this some example that everyone should follow and aspire to it. Its not even the scariest part of the scariest part is the tag on human nature itself that we see happening in the west. Some old is gender diversity, transgender persons and everything. This agenda brings about it will get us to the point where instead of leaving beans, we will have semi engineers, bio robots who might be beautiful on the outside, capable of satisfying their desires. But they will not be able to reproduce the child we called sept and promotion, same sex relationships will lead humanity to instead, and we will become make something. Do you understand that . And we will die spiritually before we die. Physically, who needs a World Without spiritual values, africa understands this well. And african countries react to so called Democratic Values in no uncertain terms. The president of youve gone, di, you already know, said benny, who is wildly respected in africa, was very clear when he talked about the issue that hes not the only one africans are aware of the importance of spiritual religious values and the into religious dialogue. That patriarch carol of moscow talked about the majority of africans as christians. But there are a lot of most things to do. You understand the importance of such dialogue. They know that as humans, we must grow spiritually, intellectually and culturally africas culture is very rich. There are thousands of ethnic was there, there are similarities and differences and it is important to value every human being, every ethnic or cultural groups. And i think that doing this for, and we demonstrated that russia and africa shared this approach with who is that you mentioned the preparation of the plan, the recession that you moderate with the russian president for some mom, the participants. Can you tell us more about that . How did you feel moderate in the conversation . What impressed you the most . Did you hear any ideas that you taught for a very important know garden, your symbol . I by saturday it was a great responsibility. Of course, i wouldnt say there was fear because this was the 2nd time for me. I also moderated a session at the 1st economic for in the format was a bit different. Back then present inputs in and egypt president had this thats at his cc came to the stage from the audience. I delivered their addresses and went back to their seats. Where as this time we were all on the stage the whole time and discuss the issues that concern russia and ask because the most unfortunately, due to time limitations, people couldnt ask questions as the moderator i was has weve given a brief introduction for isa speaker and then i had to summarize their main talking point. Trust me. This wasnt easy. Despite being a member of the russian academic of sciences, a well educated person with extensive public speaking experience, i still felt the pressure. What impressed me the most is the people that were present in the room. 2 participants were hired to be their, our president as the head of the summit, most of the country and as on the us and mommy, president of the common rooms and the current chair, person of the african union. But i was surprised to see some other permanent figures there. Our patriarch, for example. He came to the Plenary Session because the form didnt just focus on economic issues. It was also a humanitarian event. And patriarch to real was there to contribute to the humanitarian agenda. Talk about spiritual values and the future of humanity. Do my reception presence was a surprise. Reveal doesnt seem to have anything to do with africa. But going back to our conversation before the pondering, she mentioned along with another panel, listening to benedict or ahmad, that some brazilian regions as try can be close to actually go their dance and music styles. Their approach to life and even the color of their skin are very similar. In essence, brazil is a country with very strong historical and cultural ties to africa as for benefits or amok, his participation was quite expected. He was also present at the plenary of the previous forum, held insult she in 2019. This time he was invited as well. The 1st russia has a big share in africa in that 25 percent. If im not mistaken, is this a 2nd making our cooperation work financially . Is one of the most pressing issues on the agenda . How will we end africans making payments to each other . Yesterday i moderated a session on fertilizer exports organized by you are awesome and we have the head of x i or nick at the top cover on the panel. He said there are 3 main ways for us to solve the problem. First, we will likely have to adopt the one in the short term if we want to avoid using the dollar. Its not ideal for russia, but it makes sense in short term. The 2nd stage will be trying to use national currencies. But in order to do that, we need to balance our imports and exports to end from africa, currently rationalize exports and 5 times more than it is important. Our Companies May sell goods for local currencies, but how will they spend that money . The 3rd option was the most interesting, and naturally it was welcomed by the african countries. We would invest our profits from selling our goes into the development of local industry. After local industries developed, we can get dividends this way is very interesting. The applicants applauded, they said its just what they need, but its a long term strategy. It does not produce immediate results. You must wait 5 or 10 years, but its relevant in view of all that was discussed with the planetary and the speech of our president and covered every aspect of our cooperation. You may have noticed that you also dedicated a substantial part of the speech to the human to terry and ask that including the development of education and youth. Because africa has so many you. 60 percent of africans are younger than 25. 00 the present and also announcing piece quotas. You mentioned that our cooperation should be based on technology called partnership. Right . For me was the most pleasing thing to hear. And ive been saying this for long. You just need to find something for yourself in this applicants in denver. And the session we held fundamental science, the cornerstone of technological sovereignty was a confirmation of that was really, really happy. The africans expect us to provide technologies with it, but they said that they need the logical independence just as we do. Because ross, i is also technologically dependent and the west is also offering technologies to us. I think it was the minister of education of molly, who said that we should work for our selves. Instead of working for the west. We must be decide which means to study, to read our own research instead of copying the west. But what were being offered is to copy this copy in this universal is and theres no rush on or off because with their diverse and unique multinational cultures. What does that . Yep. So when they talk to representatives of african countries, many of them mention this term cooperation. That existed in the so many times and see the trash of them became self absorbed for several decades. And now has finally turned back to africa. And now were seeing increasing focus on the continent. Do you think crochet is doing enough . What else can we do to intensify the corporation . I know with which im gonna give it across with many of the africans. I talked to asked me, how can we be sure that russia was not abandoned us will not leave us high and dry. Like you did when you were ceasar fell apart. I assure done that we wont do that though. We have really needed to deal with the problems at home. But the, our self absorption was a mistake. Because our domestic problems are very much connected to our foreign policy, and the african strategy should be integrated with our country is development entrance. China has always done this. Its really important that we learn from china in this regard. What can be done to intensify this partnership . Im the 1st and infrastructure a partnership needs to be created and it should be based on partnership between the public and private sectors. We wont companies to work on the african continent in the state to provide the necessary conditions. But it shouldnt only be for 3520. 00 or 30 big companies. What perfectly capable of working in africa as is, we need to support regional enterprises. Small and medium sized businesses, and we need them to build ties with the african partners through their cooperation. So thats one thing that weve the infrastructure that its easy to understand. The 2nd we need to build financing mechanism. So how will the projects be financed . Who will do it . This needs to be decided. Will it be the state and business . Only business or only the state . I think all 3 are possible. 3rd, we need to decide about payment. Many africans, including benedicts ramos said, look, were ready to trade in roubles. But where do we get the rules . Who will make them available physically . Both the ministry of finance and the central bank are very concerned about this. So we need to address this. In other words, theres a whole range of issues to be addressed. But at least we understand what we were talking about. Talking about trade, we need to stop trading with africans to european intermediaries. Im serious, despite all the sanctions, many tropical farming products are still purchased in this roundabout way. A triple cost, just because its convenient for us to do it through your partners. If we want to end this situation, we need to build our own International Cargo insurance and re insurance system and build our own logistics. Some companies have ready to do that. The far Eastern Shipping Company headed by andre, so that he loved. Who is an interesting person by the way, is ready to do it. Yeah. Or with the launching their own lines to egypt and morocco, and theyre willing to work in west and east africa as well so so, so if we establish a clear making isnt defined the tools, make the decision and commit to it. I believe our cooperation will double or even triple in the coming years. And the 40, per se, would extend to new colonial pulses on the flash drive for these partnership, which is cooling, perhaps slower than we, the african countries would like. But its there, you know, colonialism is a multi layer concept. It includes the ongoing attempts to impose democracy upon african countries, which are opposed street because its contrary to the nature and the romania, the money of his patients. So how much do you think these attempts these various, many of his patients, including the efforts to therapy to the saw meet, propelled the intensification of russia, africa relations. The sentence to on the one hand are destructive, but on the other hand, they drive forward. These partnership, ironically, that is if you are absolutely right, the essential laughed by the west on us to bolster our relations with all the regions of the world. Technically because the countries we use to interact with are no longer available. This is number one. They also help in terms of ideological motivation. The africans who have faced the rows of claudio is, and neo colonial policies, know well, well, what they are dealing with that is unlike some of our closest neighbors, were brain washed and are told that russia is a colonial power. That who has never really experienced colonial rule in their history. On the contrary, russia always invested much more in them than it did in itself. They had far higher live in sanders lots of yeah. Its going yeah. And with when you have always had the highest standard of living, we all know that the applicants have 1st hand experience of colonialism. They bore the brunt of it, and quoting the variable situation in the democratic republic of the congo country that was treated by king leopold the 2nd of belgium. As these private property, the congo, these people were taken to brussels and displayed in the zoo. And in the congo, europeans use the africans bodies to try robber. They smeared the robbers up over them, and once it dried, tore it off with their skin. And patriots in the moon blah was murdered there. And you know, this act of returning his gold crowned tooth. I dont know. Its out of all proportion. And africans realized is that some human, completely in here me. They realize that when the west sells them to keep away from russia shaking and fish that them, thats neo colonial is in the african say to that that they want to pick their partners on their own. Because they are silver and countries and will partner with whoever they want. So the west is getting a backlash from africa. They all these the over did, the pressure is a chest up to date everyones task that the world has changed. And advocates changing to the frequent countries a very diverse they differ significantly from one another. And yet the united, the, a community thats willing to be a player in the world in the world older is that its going your son, you presume . Good, now its just they want to play a median full part of course, and most importantly to do it in independence over in way they know full well the advocates significance is growing. They say themselves, the advocate will be home to almost a 3rd of the worlds population quite soon. This means that the flow of goods, all production chains, will be redirected to that region to a considerable extent after the currently has the Fastest Growing middle class. Its faster than asia, even china. So you can say that africa is like a tiger boys to leap forward the same as china in the early 19 ninetys. And its clear, the africas role in the Global Economy is going to increase that for the an agency to fully forms. It needs to be supported, not by the west, which can only provide state assistance, but by the countries that are really prepared to live africa. Partner with whoever it wishes to. Ive always said that equals silver and states should interact on an equal basis. Partnership with such countries is a 2 way street. If we want to work with africa, we need to understand what it means, what we, our cells need and look for the most beneficial areas for cooperation reports. And its in the permanent representative of prussia, do they do. And that, that western 8 to africa is a hit bulk received. The west overlooks crosses their antics townsley to help test for the sake of publicity. And what kind of help can russia offered to make a difference and better meet the needs of africans . Listening to someone who loved anybody, and so its dont stumble well, we are following the principle of giving efficient road instead of fish. Yes, we are taking part in all programs. Through the u. One world food program, we have supplies, fertilizers, making 2 shipments to kenya and want to malawi, absolutely free. And we had to overcome a lot of barriers. We are ready to supply 300000 tons and move that is welcomed by the african countries. We are providing food 8, president to and has said that this 1000000. 00 tons of we even less that ukraine had supplied to africa. And now after the green deal was canceled, it wont be able to deliver more. But were ready to give it for free. Over the last 8 months since the beginning of the special military operation, we have supplied africa with 22000000. 00 tons of 22. 00 times more than ukraine has done. This is what i want to stress. The was hypocritical lease is that russia has not delivered. Now russia is orchestrating simon that compel 1000000 and 20 to millions. Most importantly, we are not just donating, we can provide humanitarian helps, for instance, assist in training and national workforce. Today. A lot has been said not only about higher education, but about Vocational Training too. By the way, this question was overlooked here in russia as well. Remember, we used to have these vocational schools. Now they are replaced with some colleges, but they are less efficient. Back to our health, it should be practical and not sure we, once i did a study on german aid, it turned out that every 4 out of 5 votes marks were paid to drum specialists, involved in the project. The people who dealt with that 8 and decided when he should go, it means that only one in 5 dodge marks or 20 percent was real health. We are doing things differently. We possibly have a blessed. Let me ask you one last question. Here on the sidelines of the forum, i talked to woman from sending goals, who had move to st. Petersburg alone and go to my surprise, she started telling me how much and come on we russians have with the senegalese, you talk to a lot of people from africa. Is there any thing common between russians and africans . Is, is a full yes. Yes, of course. There is, i agree, african say that russian mentality is closer to them than that of china, for example, or europe. Africans are not over organized. They can get things done informally. You know, they once told me that both russians and africans can settle matters by unwritten rules. Its funny, but its true then russians are open hearted and kind, you know, russian people how we rushed to help our friends and can put everything on hold for their sake and africans. Id say we have a rich, its true that we value and we also take interest in other cultures. We are interested in other people to not just ourselves. There is individual is and as opposed to collectivism, i believe we have a collective his mind in africa is collect to this historically collective economy. The communal farming model is that both africa and ross, i used to have, has defined our geno type. We need to be part of the community. Part of it seem to be open towards others, and africans are like that to thank you so much. It was very exciting to talk to you the the, at the end of the 19th century, africa was divided between european empires, which mercilessly oppressed the indigenous population. Modern day tends and he used to be a german colony. The germans levied heavy taxes on local drives, and use them as free labor on cotton and plantations. So pheasants protest turned into an uprising against the colonial list under the banner of the religious movement of the z, margie. It was led by a man named kinsey, could do the rebels use great the tactics because they did not have the power to rush the german army in head on confrontation. But the germans were not able to suppress the resistance of the guerrillas either. So the invaders decided to starve the population to day one of the commanders of the german troops. Captain wagon time wrote only anger and one can lead to final submission. Military actions alone will remain more or less a drop in the ocean. The blasphemous plan works. The invaders burned villages and fields. In 2 years, germany deliberately starved up to 300000 people did that later. The monstrous experience of the 2nd right in tanzania was copy by the 3rd, right, lead by the nazis in order to extra pay, the peoples of europe, the the man the work im not im trying to read now. When you said, you know why the, somebody yeah i was