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Because the risk between just to operate in the area, theyre finding dead or injured people in the rebels. So it is fear that the death tone may rise relief operations are continuing and 1st aid has been distributed. Both families are being provided food and shelter. The government spokesman couples appeals to the International Community to help the people of afghanistan in those difficult times. He was actually sort of touching back out for a moment on the war ongoing. And israel did, you know, the us secretary of state Anthony Blaine couldnt recently urge Foreign Ministers of arab countries to condemn the operation of hamas against israel. As we understand these countries actually refused to respond to mr. Blinking requests. Lets do sales on the below and welcome across stock, where all the things are considered. Im q live else the mazda attack on israel from guys, a highlight still again, the like the palestinians, living under conditions of blockade. Im us calls themselves resisting biters while of course, washington calls them terrace. Also will be you adoptive brain in lieu of diminishing american aid, the to discuss these issues any more. Im joined by my guess martin j america. Shes an Award Winning journalist and commentator. And in budapest we brought the door to send me, well, hes a pod, cast her at the goggle, which can be bought a new 2, and locals. A gentleman cross that girls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate it. All right, well start out with george in budapest. What we have a price is again, in the palestine, israel conflict. Its a moving story from us is had a major incursion. Something weve never seen before. Massive missile attacks up to 5000 projectiles according to some of the 1st 20 minutes. And then a landing cruise in using a parish you, its and whatnot. So its very innovative here. And of course, we know what that, how is real is going to respond to this over well, mainly. But you know, what is the antecedents to this particular crisis, george, because for my thinking is, is this growing normalization of a is really relations with air of countries which of course, these are countries are, are for getting the palestinian cause and it looks like to me at least, ill come by mazda, as reminding them that theyre still there. Theres a lot of other issues in play right here, but i think that is the most important issue at hand right now, george. I agree with you a piece that i think good the, the most immediate cause of this, um, explosion is this. Um, bite, no ministration attempt to expand the Abraham Accords and to normalize relations between israel to saudi arabia. Going together with some sort of an American Security guarantee for saudi arabia. I mean, obviously is also the 50 around of us. 3 of the young people are attack rooms exactly to the day. But i think its also, again a, a deeper issue which is that hasnt been any kind of a Movement Towards in the middle ages. Be settlement. I mean, they used to be proposals put forward by western powers about every president , the remembering the days of the, the mix of administration of the rock, just blind. And then of course, it all culminated in the oslo accords, which is now 30 years ago as a facility is basically no one has done anything. I mean, its in and basically they, theyve known this problem that this problem is festering, theres been no solution. You know, the thing is pressure all, as ive said many, many years ago, each new generation of outstanding states. These really is more than the previous generation. I think is that the, the idea that you can just simply continue like this without any negotiated without any kind of a peace conference without any peace plan was always ridiculous. And the, and it culminated in this upside Statement Issued by the, by the National Security council saying this was an unprovoked attack associated with the paolo. But we can do great on pro, out of the blue, you know, just so you know that everyone was living peacefully and suddenly this unprovoked attack was close. It was provoked, and this the publication. So the use of doing absolutely nothing. And this allowing the power steering is essentially to be, you know, a crushed out of existence. Yeah. Well, i think the only the only parallel we go back to your, the phrase fun provoked is that the west didnt recognize the Self Determination of the people whove done best is they dont recognize the Self Determination. Right . So the palestinians, martin here in the region here, what are your, whats your initial reaction . Because i guess we all hope and pray that this will be over as destructive and bloody is its going to be and it will be, hopefully will be soon go ahead. My, you know, i think the feeling is from little from those arabs is, um, this was coming. This wasnt eligible. It was just a question of when you know and general dimensions, no one in the west to do the study is i think if you look at what the west did, of didnt do in the last couple of years, which was condemn the acceleration of israels human rights abuses, the land grabs the assassinations. Dehumanization of the palestinians who know which is really picked up in the last 2 or 3 years. I mean just this year alone. I think the records been broken for the number of listing is been murdered. We saw nothing. A total from europe in union. If any student we saw a tacit encouragement from the a you and from the west, and in general, to, to go ahead what youre doing, do whatever you need to do to resolve this problem. You know, because youre never going to receive the human rights opprobrium from us listing lee is like nothing, you know, who took the really what it was was and, and run with it. And now you know, the consequences of periphery. I dont think this is ever going to end. Im you talk about the ending in the, in a couple of days time, israel, who will create some sort of security and go so it will move in, in a, in a big way. I know. Go back to the 2005 period of taken total minutes. She occupation, but thats not the end. Thats the beginning. Well, shes, you know, what i mean, i may have these, you know, its moving the grass as they like to cynically say here in that. And thats what the phase that im looking at. George is, as we speak here, there are reports that has below his injured the fray, if only in a minor way with some missile attacks on, in northern israel. And is this a possibility where this is what her mouth was looking for . I mean, you know, to britain bringing other actors a to chat to just basically make a point here just with martin was saying here is that and you were saying is that this has been pestering and we have all of our all through is gentlemen, is it we have a radically right wing government in, in israel. Go ahead george. I think its quite possible that that was the plan to get to as bala involved as what happened back in the 2006 iran obviously which is strongly in his well as kona iran has been very unhappy about this. Um, us saw the uh plan and particularly the whole idea of saudi arabia recognizing israel. I mean, that would be a huge transformation in the, in the middle east. And particularly as iran is just taking the staff of normalizing relations with saudi arabia and saudi arabia having just been invited into breaks or this is so i was literally rainy is a really will be very happy with this. So i think its quite likely that his ball i would uh get involved and um the, i, i think this will be quite a, a, a big, serious conflict. And again, i mean its, its, its comes down to, you know, you, you just call and go on doing what is there it was doing, it, it was, its not sustainable. Im sure. I mean, its common sense. This is not a sustainable solution. Just the idea of what we can go on doing it because weve got the americans in our going up and we can just treat you any way we want, you know, just, you know, essentially just white be off the face of the a. And thats it in on the no, no, no ones going to say blue about it so, so i think this is a, a, you know, a total failure of a west and foreign policy. I am good. Well, it was a very, very serious conflict in martin. Its also a failure of error, foreign policy. Ok. I mean we have all of us look at all 3 of us are h yes ever the era the leaders of always talked about the, the palestinian issue. Been so many of them done. They have done very much about it, lets be honest. Okay. And this is again from us at the risk of alienating the people in the gaza strip. Lets remember, israels retribution is going to be over whelming, but theyre, theyre the, the come us leadership is appealing to the era world. I mean, you know, maybe your leaders can be bought off. Ok, but dont forget about us. And i think thats deployed right here. Much just reminding saudi arabia of its past commitments to the palestinian cons. I was afraid on many levels, not just some countries and even, even from israels perspective, let me know. I just wrote an article about a week ago talking about the increased alms. So that is what i was enjoying at the moment. You can forget about that. No, i mean how the israel cells, its high tech, alms around the world when you got people lining up to say, well, it didnt even protect you. Because the other thing is, you said, how is it gonna protect us against people got much more today than nittany, whos calling it their pearl harbor. Okay. And but, you know, with United States did as a reaction to pro are ready to go. But anyhow, somebody that proposed a statement yesterday on sort of such a day and saying its now well, well, you know, hello, we count it. I think the people has been a little for 75 years. You know, and it is just a bigoted mindset and you cant really blame me when you look at wisdom media, you know, and im a wisdom need his own my own Prime Minister didnt even lose a heart based in supporting these, running these full, the rights to defend themselves, amazing up to be amazing. I mean, what do you find these people have . What if there was, there has been this news blackout. I, you know, im a journalist, so ive got to be in a, a, some, an extra grinding against this i suppose. But theres news blackout for something wrong about whats been going on. And by the time, you know, just yesterday, christina and before and cnn did an interview with the palestinian a deputy investor in london. And the for 6 or 7 minute interview or just to just refuse to acknowledge the occupation it just was, was, was something she wasnt gonna be drawing on, you know . So i think its a failure on the, on these roads sides. But when you talk about the, obviously i definitely, i think this is pulse. So all of it, but its part of the story of why the palestinians, theres somethings broken, somebody snapped like what snapped, why dont part of that frustration is theyve seen how theyve been completely abandoned by the western world. But even the arrow pub, this now, all lining up the western world talks about with the raised as daughter in western values and burrell chronicles of georgia. They have obviously distinct to happen here. Go ahead fully. Exactly. And its very interesting. I mean, what motto saying about the response in europe and how that has uh, changed just in the pasta, you know, 3040 years. I mean, they used to be a distinct distinction between the way that you were bins approaches of at least. And the way the americans, the americans, we always not on the, you know, whole, obviously pro israel. But the europeans always have a very distinctive approach, which is, hey there, this is accounts, they go to the sides of this complex. We need to approach this as there are 2 sides and it has to be a resolution that satisfies both sides and the rest of the, to the, to, you know, the 2 state solution which low preceded was low or mean that was in, back in my, in the 19 seventys, i mean there was a, your bins embrace that, i mean, i was the, the, the global consensus, the 2 state solution which the europeans at that time, the soviet union and much of the reverse of what else to do site. Now the europeans are just essentially just pirating everything that the americans are saying. And then theres, theres a lot of the, when theyve done is what theyve done is that when we look at jared questionnaire and you know, the engineer and abraham backwards, the palestinians. Tony exist so they dont exist. Its not a problem martin. Yeah. You over just about the point before you cut me off last time is that when we look at the abraham thoughts, you know, so you have your own goals are part of it. You know, the, every time cool is all the final insult for the palestinians, you know, who have grown up generations of grown up. Excepting that we have the right supportive narrative from a lot of these are countries, particularly in the gulf states, but do they do any singular . What do you do . Anything you know . And um, do you ever have a call . Its august this, this final acknowledgement, the not only are we not going to do anything, but were going to line up and do deals with as well, you know, to support ourselves or run, but to political agendas and sell the palestinians down the road. You know, like they are just kind of redundant livestock or some sort of uh they, they, this is an admissions way. How weve gotten to this point here. Okay. They refused to be forgotten. Gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Im going to go to a short break, and after that short break, well continue our discussion on some real estate without the im a single, a single whos moving to sweet google news. Im losing this week because of the stuff that goes for bites in the community, to cook for the mexican campbell, unless youre willing to order these voided, what 60 of know wouldnt be the one that you li, automated. So our room there are still go new, super new, a pool of the pool of super going choose which is mostly possible so that you go to the volume, feel as to as a difference for that for, for the last place. The the welcome at the cross side for all things are considered on you to bill. This is a home addition to remind you. Were discussing some relatives the all right, lets go back to laurie america, cash you were talking about the abraham awards continue. 5 so i think the big question now, um do i think has it been raised by itself, youre a bit which was just about to sign the advent adult is do they have anything left and is there any credibility to it now with the culture . Does this place is um, escalation just below the bottom. Cool down the water under countries like where, okay, where i am now, you know, i have to look at this whole relationship with israel from a completely new perspective. So i think in that respect as a disaster for israel, but you touch briefly before on has with a big question now. Just briefly is for israel is not whether it contain the, the, uh, uh, an uprising within goals that the question military is kind of sustain and contain not. And also deal with an attack from southern lebanon, or from a syria where it has really have a, its huge amounts of minutes installation with very sophisticated rockets. Okay. Well, theyve been in that day just to further your point here. If theres an ongoing conflict, particularly if the hezbollah in lebanon is drawn into a, theres no air of leader in the world is going to be considering neighbor hamil guards and, and normalizing relations with, with israel. By do, you know, george, there seems to theres all to our lives and this has been this obsession with, with the israel and, and, and how to frame and characterize the palestinian um element of batch which has been so totally skewed. Its almost im recognized by before we couldnt be in here. I was telling you i was watching a number of pod caps the. The lack of knowledge about this complex has biggest roaring narrate george business. I because it goes to the media, have done um, nothing at all to inform the public about the origins of the state of israel. Well, how did this come about . How to get to eat a lot about a scene is when, when they come from. And so thats why the is the sum and substance of the Media Coverage is what is what it is under attack. The terrorists are attacking israel. Israel has a right to defend us, so we must help the sovereign states defend itself. So yeah, thats it. You know, so the, the, the palestinians are just to be wiped away from this equation. Now is very interesting. What about what math and said about this is really intelligence. I mean its, its always been the floor of the chime for all of this be perpetrated on the, on the public that israel has, the spine has been, tell me the world. Um, you know, we, we remember the young people how that were able to mobilize in a time, history of them young people, what, what a surprise and is what i knew. Nothing is all about was and, and the game, you know, the environment is very which i, i is everywhere. You know, they know exactly whats going on. Theyre completely caught by surprise of by this the attack. So where is this the of all into the dont just purpose is where it doesnt have that a, what israel has is the United States and its going to and its very good to go to the United States to wage was on his behalf. Is that it hasnt been particularly good and waging was, i mean it was on able to defeat the is buying 2006. It doesnt really want anything since like the 1967. Well, but, but its very good at persuading the world that its either unlimited and the, because does it get us to like, you know, the question, ukraine, which is, why is the west of ours been obsessing, obsessing in this way, sending ever the hardware to ukraine, while i didnt even notice this, you know, which supposedly in americas got so much about the middle is right in front of them. And they were just simply give a call, you know, what, why or what we thought was all about the printers. This area of the world where, you know, which america has traditional interest, i knew nothing. Its all about that they are absolutely obsessed with whats going on in your right. Which is, which is the area of American National interest. Yeah. With that yeah. Only until, 15 minutes ago. Right. That, well that, that brings up that martin the question that we, we have this situation in the us congress. I dont want to go to the minutia here. But um, whats most important here is a question in your aid to ukraine. Is the gentleman question now that happens to this speaker by in the us congress, which is welcomed because the, the ability to debate it publicly is finally caught up with Public Opinion because Public Opinion has been going in one direction steadily for the last. Itd be 7 or 8 months now. And so you have the European Union saying, you know, we will continue to do whatever it takes, but then were burrell our favorite terry thing, but we can do with the help to you, ms. Perkins. Okay, so it would make us if, if this has been generated by washington and backed by london and brussels is catching up with the fact that, well, maybe the me, the commitment from london and washington isnt um, uh, politically viable. I mean, i, the, the, the actors that are involved in this are gone. Whoa, yeah, totally in for it. But i mean, at a certain point, Public Opinion does matter, particularly in our a jump social media. Go ahead. One of the Public Opinion, which obsessed over this concept of occupation and you credit the people just lined up, you know, whether it was western intelligence agencies or additions or media. You know, people just went just rented on a relentlessly from day one about this idea of russian occupation. And yet those same people dont see alice time this row. And you know, theres a, theres a strange but lets me of logic that. But going back to this a bundle which has been thrown out, you know, it will probably come back in and i think um, but it will probably push it if i dont think itll be 24. Been it may be a front. Oh oh, you know what the white house is bushing up . I want a one time, 100000000000. Thats what theyre pushing right now. Thats the, yes theyre, theyre, theyre to, theyre going for the big, big the jackpot here because they want to take it out of the election cycle. People that know, okay, but then you know, and that, that just kind of kind of brings us neatly to, you know, to the other end chief berella and you said, you know what, we need the americans. We were told them from basically pretty uses were that america, you know, weve got this great deal with them. They pay for everything in a, but i think, oh, this is starting to fall apart because even if its one shot a 100000000000, thats nowhere near enough to to really take it by fall. And the 1st 100000000 didnt go far either. So, you know, but, but i think the voices of dissent in america are all starting to bring that fist on the table and talk about some kind of accountability to this money. Because the info you dont know what a teen noticing at all. How do you do that . How do you, how do you take tank, square his money from america and send it to the most corrupt country in the world, and just sit back and say, we dont need or thing all the things, but with pain. They also, you know, take time and who knows what we might find. You know, now its just, i general, is this whole history of impunity. George mean, it is real, a gets 3000000000. 00 and could 78. 00 every single year in the United States. So thats a, thats the well, i think its with egypt as of its, its like, i mean, i think age wherever they get each one, i think thats the same. I think i give the same amount to each. But thats a very interesting issue because of cause and this was raised by steve bannon environment is a significant figure because hes very close to trump. And he said, well, look at this or, i mean hes a cause a strong support a result. Well, where does this money go . I mean weve, weve been giving them all of these aid for years and years and years, and they just called flatfooted there. And where is that . What happened to their intelligence . What happens, or theyre incredibly powerful on pauses. And whether this money go and then you know, the band them being bannon, the raise, the question, you know, baby lives in the off it was the 1st believe there in the world who recognized bidens election victory in 2020 and also all trumpet done. Say him with, you know, the abraham, the goal is, you know, moving the embassy to jerusalem, recognizing the annexation of the going high, stopping the day to the power stands and offer all that lives in the will recognize the biden. Immediately, you know, thats something thats what thats playing in the mind in a truck. You know, again, is those pro is randoms all sorts of the keys by golfing. So thats a problem for uh, it for, for a israel, you know, been, youve got people who were, you can count on as being your sub and advocates. I going to stop asking whether this money, you know, i mean, what have you been doing all this time . You know, you people, you know, youre not able to deal with this direct side. Bunch of, you know, you know, brigands, so somebody. Yeah. But that means that even theres a lot of sooner. Cynicism in the, in this politics here in the middle east. Martin, let me know this is a bill for him. Okay. Investigations until probably drops. Well probably get this particular sufficient re warm through a and theyll give you going to be able to kill a whole lot of palestinians. I mean, thats exactly what and yes, it was all about it, but you could look at it that way. You could say, yeah, this is exactly what it has been dreaming of, you know, and i think he will usher in a much, much more stringent to tell it to me, you know, f o, any remaining traits as opposed to liberties. Of course can be whats up because you can justify the whole now. So, you know, were going to just, are there any just out there who are going to critical of making a will get rid of those . You know, we thought and when he dissenting voices, no, no, opposing now to no one was there. Now old personal liberties will be crunched down bought. George made the interesting point. And you said, well, if, if, if he were you comp trust and us and yahoo even when, when he did so much for trump, you know, and i think perhaps the people of as well would be asking the same question. Can we trust national have now because you know, this great lead to you are the one who oversees the intelligence community. You know, you didnt see this coming into journalism generalist inmate. So lets just hold a whole us a little bit and wait for a few days. And a few weeks for some leaks to come out of the intelligence community. When people call me a conspiracy theorist will say, perhaps nothing, you know, who did know it was coming. Well, i didnt say you did, but i was leading you there. Hey, i in the spring, but george, what do you think about that . Well, thats a possibility. Well have to see um, how let any uh, who response of if he does indeed sees us as an opportunity. Great. Now we can just simply, or we have people, you know, all the, you know, on this, this is it, this is the excuse weve been looking for, you know, then well say, and he knew about this. Um, i mean at least it, it would give him a sort to try to do it as a little better than the alternative. But hes just so so totally incompetent. He didnt know what was going on in the dark. Yeah. Lets remember he minneapolis and goats, pearl harbor, United States and destroy hiroshima and nagasaki was based on what we were attacked and process. Well, thats right. And i think look, i mean mostly would accept if leon knew that this attack was coming, i mean, and basically he was waiting for it as a way to getting into world war 2. So it could well be that the nothing. Yeah. Who just sat on these hands well disappeared, which is also the alternative, which is there. They are incumbent that, well, you know, probably they werent gone, but then back in 73, they were called flatfooted. You know, that was celebrating on young people and, you know, not realizing this, the, certainly a time and again, and they said the, the incompetence of the americans over the americans though it had been, they know the, Something Like this was coming as well. And they further they left the 11 on with their tail between their legs. So, all right, gentlemen, well see where that goes. Well probably be talking about it when we can be next week. Thats all the time we have. What i think make us america in budapest and where they are viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. Remember across the top of the the israel strikes a most in gaza as the idea of forces take a toll on palestinians. Throughout the night. Many civilians are afraid to be trapped in, but that brings the gunfire, bringing out in jerusalem, not how much the militants fast with his really forces and doc, city, african nations, according on the warring parties to come to the negotiations table and find the highlighting the grave consequences for civilian but in this ability brings in the middle league under the american senate. So as reference to expand to conflict, suggesting that the United States form