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Ukraine of a breaching the ceasefire. And also said that nature was asking of acting as an aggressor by the fact that it wouldnt say no to ukraines request to become a member of its bulk. As for the music agreements in general, i told emmanuel micron and enjoy america that we would not be able to implement them like this is guess and think about doing this to mask agreements were killed long before our recognition of the peoples republic slipped on boss as a matter of fact, the recognition of these republics was dictated precisely by the fact that the leadership of the key of the leadership of ukraine had already begun to publicly declare that they were not going to implement uminski agreements. Theyre not going to comply. What else can you say in the top, officials have already publicly stated this. What to expect next . Should we wait for the continuation of this mockery of people, this genocide, of almost 4000000 people who live in these territories . Its unbearable to look at this. President , preaching of co saying he felt that he had no other choice of than to launch that so called special ministry operation. So that many thanks to come again with those the sounds that sounds that correspond to charlotte dimansky and thank you for joining us. Hey, on all t international, as always, one of the licensed updates that can be found on our website all to come up with more, the top, the the hello, and welcome across the top, where all things are considered. Im futile about the mazda attack on israel from guys, a highlight still again, the plight, the palestinians, living under conditions of blockade. Im us calls themselves resisting biters while of course, washington calls them terrace. Also will they be you adopt the brain in lieu of diminishing american aid the to discuss these issues and more, im joined by my guess, martin j america. Shes an Award Winning journalist, and commentator. And in budapest we brought the drawer to send me well, hes a pod cast, read the goggles which can be bought a new to the locals. Right . Gentleman cross lock rules and effect. That means you can jump any time you want. And i always appreciated. All right, well start out with george in budapest. What we have a price is again in the palestine, israel conflict. Its a moving story. A mouse is had a major incursion. Something weve never seen before. Mass of missile attacks up to 5000 projectiles according to some of the 1st 20 minutes. And then the landing corrosion using some of the parachutes and whatnot. So its very innovative here. And of course we know that how is real is going to respond to this over well, mainly. But you know, what is the antecedents to this particular crisis george he goes for from am i thinking is, is this growing normalization of a is really relations with eric countries, which of course these are countries are, are forgetting the palestinian cause and it looks like to me, at least out of a mazda is reminding them that theyre still there. Theres a lot of other issues in play right here, but i think that is the most important issue at hand right now. George. I agree with you a piece that i think good. The, the most immediate cause of this, um, explosion is this. Um, bite, no ministration attempt to expand the abraham records and to normalize relations between israel to saudi arabia. Going together with some sort of an American Security guarantee for saudi arabia. Um, i mean obviously its also the 50 around of us. 3 of the young people are attack rooms exactly to the day. But i think its also again a, a deeper issue which is that hasnt been any kind of a Movement Towards a middle ages. B settlement, i mean, they used to be proposals put forward by western pilots about every president , the remembering the days of, you know, the mix of administration of the largest line. And then of course, it all culminated in the oslo accords, which is now 30 years ago as a facility is basically no one has done anything. I mean its, and basically they, theyve known this problem that this problem is festering, theres been no solution. You know, that i think is best for all of us that said many, many years ago, each new generation of palestinian states, these really is more than the previous generation. I think is that the, the idea that you can just simply continue like this without any negotiated without any kind of a peace conference without any beast plan was always ridiculous. And it culminated in this upside Statement Issued by the, by the National Security council saying this was an unprovoked attack associated with the power a little bit with a new grant on pro, out of the blue. You know, just, you know, that everyone was living peacefully and suddenly this isnt unprovoked, the tax was costing, was provoked, and this the publication. So the use of doing absolutely nothing. And this allowing the power steering is essentially to be crushed out of existence. Yeah. Well, i think the only the only parallel we go back to your, the phrase fun provoked is that the west didnt recognize the Self Determination of the people have done best is they dont recognize the Self Determination, right . So the palestinians, martin here in the region here, what are your, whats your initial reaction . Because i guess we all hope and pray that this will be over as destructive and bloody is its going to be and it will be, hopefully will be soon go ahead. Martin, you know, i think the feeling is from the, from those are ups is um, this was company. This was an eligible. It was just a question of when you know and general dimensions, no one in the west to do the city is i think if you look at what the west did or didnt do in the last couple of years, which was condemn the acceleration of israels human rights abuses, the land grabs itself nations. Dehumanization of the palestinians. We know which is really picked up in the last 2 or 3 years. I mean, just this year alone. I think the records been broken for the number of listing is, have been murdered. We saw nothing, a total from the union in if any student we saw a tacit encouragement from the a you and from the west and in general, to, to go ahead with what youre doing, do whatever you need to do to resolve this problem. You know, because youre never going to receive the human rights opprobrium from us lasting lee is like nothing, you know, who took the really, what it was was and, and run with it. And now you know, the consequences of periphery. I dont think this is ever going to end. Im you talk about the ending in the, in a couple of days time. Israel will create some sort of security and go so it will move in. And in a big way, i know, go back to the 2005 period of taken total minutes, you occupation. But thats not the end. Thats the beginning. Well, you know what i mean to may have these, you know, its moving the grass as they liked the syndic, we say here in that, and thats what the phase that im looking at. George did as we speak here, there are reports that has below his injured the fray, if only in a minor way with some missile attacks on, in northern israel. And is this a possibility where this is what her mouth was looking for . I mean, you know, to break, bring in other actors and to get to just basically make a point here just with martin was saying here is that and you were saying is that this has been pestering and we have all of our all through is gentleman is it we have a radically right wing government and in israel, go ahead george. I think its quite possible that that was the plan to get to as ball a involved as what happened back in the 2006 iran obviously which is strongly in his bow as kona they arrive as being very unhappy about this. Um, us saw the uh plan and particularly the whole idea of saudi arabia recognizing israel. I mean, that would be a huge transformation in the, in the middle east. And particularly as iran is just taking the staff of normalizing relations with saudi arabia and saudi arabia having just been invited into breaks or this is so i was literally rainy is a really will be very happy with this. So i think its quite likely that some his ball i would get involved and um yeah, i think this will be quite a, a, a big, serious conflict. And again, i mean its, its, its comes down to, you know, you, you just call and go on doing what is there it was doing, it, it was, its not sustainable. Im trying to be in a common sense. This is not a sustainable solution. Just the idea of what we can go on doing it because weve got the americans in our going up and we can just treat you any way we want, you know, just, you know, essentially just wipe you up the face of the a. And thats it. And you know, im no, no, no ones gonna say blue about it so, so i think this is a, a, you know, a total failure of a weston phone policy and you can get good. Well it towards a very, very serious conflict in martin. Its also a failure of error, foreign policy. Ok. I mean we have all of us look at it. All 3 of us are h yes. Or the era bleeders of always talked about the, the power city an issue, but not many of them done. They have done very much about it, lets be honest. Okay. And this is again from us at the risk of alienating the, of people in the gaza strip. Lets remember israels retribution is going to be over whelming, but theyre, theyre up to the, the come us leadership is appealing to the airport world. I mean, you know, maybe your leaders can be bought off. Ok, but dont forget about us. And i think thats deployed right here. Mazda is reminding saudi arabia of its past commitments to the palestinian cons. The say on many level, its not just some countries, even from israels perspective. Let me know. I just wrote an article about a week ago talking about the increased. Im so that is what i was enjoying at the moment. You can forget about that now. I mean how to israel. So its high tech, almost around the world when you got people lining up to say, well, it didnt even protect you because the other thing is, you said, how is it gonna protect us against people got much worse today than nittany whos calling it their pearl harbor . Okay, and we know what the United States did as a reaction to pro are ready to go. But anyhow, somebody that proposed to a statement yesterday on so on such a day and saying its now well, well, you know, hello waco, it, its, i think the people has been will for 75 years. You know, and it is just just bigoted mindset and you cant really blame me when you look at wisdom media, you know, and a wisdom need his own. My own Prime Minister didnt even lose a heart based in supporting these running these full the rights to defend themselves. Amazing up to be amazing. I mean, what do you find is people have what if there was, there has been this news blackout. You know, im a journalist, so ive got a, a big in a, a, some, an extra grinding against this, i suppose. But theres news blackout for something wrong about whats been going on. And by the time, you know, just yesterday, christina and before and cnn did an interview with the other stand in a deputy investor longer. And the for 6 or 7 minute interview or just you just refuse to acknowledge the occupation. It just was, it was, it was something she wasnt gonna be drawing on, you know, so i think its a failure on the, on these roads sides. But when you talk about the arab said yeah, definitely. Um, i think this is pulse. So all of it, but its part of the story of why the palestinians, theres somethings broken, somebody snapped, im like what snapped one of the top of that frustration is theyve seen how theyve been completely abandoned by the western world. But even the arrow pub, this now all lining up the rest of my talks about the race but a starter in western values and its burrell, chronicles of george. Any hope . Obviously, this speaks to happen here. Go ahead. Well, exactly, and its very interesting. I mean, what motto saying about the response in europe and how that has uh, changed just in the pasta. You know, so its 840 years. I mean, they used to be a distinct distinction between the way that your bands approaches of at least and the way the americans, the americans. We are always not on the, you know, whole, obviously, pro is ropes. But the europeans always have a very distinctive approach, which is, hey there, this is accounts, they go to the sides of this complex. We need to approach this as there are 2 sides. And it has to be a resolution that satisfies both sides. And hopefully in person the, to the, to, you know, the 2 state solution which low preceded, always low or mean that was in, back in my, in the 19 seventys. I mean, that was a european embrace that, i mean, i was the, be the global consensus, the 2 state solution which the europeans at that time, the soviet union, and much of the reverse of what i said to state. Now the europeans are just essentially just pirating everything that the americans are saying. And then the good when they done is what theyve done is that i mean we look at jared questionnaire and you know, the engineer and the neighborhood backwards, the palestinians. Tony exist so they dont exist. Its not a problem martin. Yeah. Dont you over just about the point before you cut me off last time is that when we look at the boards, you know, see every, im cold part of it. You know, the, every time cool is all the final insult for the palestinians, you know, who have grown up generations of grown up. Excepting that we have the right supportive narrative from a lot of these are countries, particularly in the gulf states, but do they do any singular . What do you do . Anything you know . And um, do you ever have a college this, this final acknowledgment, the not only are we not going to do anything, but were going to line up and do deals with israel, you know, to support ourselves or run, but to political agendas and sell the palestinians down the road, you know, like they are just kind of redundant livestock or some sort of uh they, this is and this is way how weve gotten to this point here. Okay. They refused to be forgotten. Gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break, and after that short break will continue our discussion on some real estate regarding the the, the welcome at the cross side for all things are considered non 0 bell. This is a home addition to remind you. Were discussing some relatives the all right, lets go back to the Martin America cache. You were talking about the abraham boards continue. And so i think the big question though, and i think this has been raised by itself here a bit, which was just about to sign the advent of coaches. Do they have anything left and is there any credibility to it now with the culture does this leads this um, escalation just below the bottom. Cool down the water under countries like where, okay, where i am now, you know, i have to look at this whole relationship with israel from a completely new perspective. So i think in that respects to disaster for is probably you touch briefly before on as one of the big question now, just briefly is for israel is not whether it contain the, the, uh, uh, an uprising within because the question military is kind of sustain and contained that and also deal with an attack from southern lebanon, or from a syria. Whereas we will have a, its huge amounts of minutes installation with very sophisticated rockets. Okay. Well, have been in that day just to further your point here. If theres an ongoing conflict, particularly if a hezbollah in lebanon is drawn into a, theres no arab leader in the world is going to be considering abraham records and, and normalizing relations with, with israel. Right. And you know, george, there seems to, theres all to our lives and this has been this obsession with the, with the israel and, and, and how to frame and characterize the palestinian um element of batch which has been so totally skewed. Its almost im recognized like before we couldnt be in here. I was telling you i was watching a number of pod caps the, the lack of knowledge about this complex, his biggest reward, mary george, business. I because the cost of the media have done um, nothing at all to inform the public about the origins of the state of israel. Well, how did this come about . How to get to eat a lot about us. Thing is when, when are they come from . And so thats why the is the sum and substance of the Media Coverage is that what is where it is under attack . The terrorists are attacking israel. Israel has a right to defend itself. We must help the sovereign states defend itself. So yeah, thats it. You know, so the, the, the palestinians are just to be wiped away from this equation. Now is very interesting. What about what mouth in san about this is really intelligence . I mean, its always been the floor of the chime for all of this be perpetrated on the, on the public that israel has, the spine has been just the world. You know, we, we remember the young people how that were able to mobilize and attack history of them young people, what, what a surprise. And is there a new nothing, its all about the list and, and the game, you know, theres a buyer and they is very urgent. I is everywhere. You know, they know exactly whats going on, that completely cold by surprise, by this attack. So where is this uh, a going to the dont just one of those is where it doesnt have that a, what israel has is the United States and its going to and its very good to go to the United States to wage was on his behalf. Is that it hasnt been particularly good at waging was, i mean it was on able to defeat the is buying 2006 doesnt really want anything since like the 1967. Well, but, but its very good at persuading the well that its of either lipp at that and the, and that, because does it get us to like, you know, the question, ukraine, which is, why is the west of ours been obsessing, obsessing in this way, sending everything a little bit hardwick to ukraine, while i didnt even notice this, you know, which supposedly in america got so much about the middle is right in front of them. And they were just simply give a call, you know, what, why or what we thought was all about the printers. This area of the world where, you know, which america has traditional interest. I knew nothing, its all about. But they are absolutely obsessed with whats going on in your grade, which is, which is the area of American National interest. Yeah. But yeah, it will only until 15 minutes ago. Right. That, well that, that brings up that martin the question that we, we have this situation in the us congress. So i dont want to go through the minutia here. But, um, whats most important here is it questioning your aid to ukraine, is all legitimate question. Now that happened to this speaker bite in the us congress, which is welcome because the, the ability to debate it publicly is finally caught up with Public Opinion because Public Opinion has been going in one direction steadily for the last, the 7 or 8 months now. And so you have the European Union saying, you know, we will continue to do whatever it takes, but then were burrell our favorite theories thing, but we can do it with the help to you, ms. Perkins. Okay, so this has been generated by washington and backed by london and brussels is catching up with the fact that, well, maybe the, the, the commitment from london and washington isnt um, uh, politically viable. I mean, i, the, the, the actors that are involved in this are gung ho totally in for it. But i mean, at a certain point, Public Opinion does matter, particularly in our a ship social media. Go ahead. What are the Public Opinion which obsessed over this concept . Of occupation in ukraine, and people just lined up, you know, whether it was western intelligence agencies or politicians or media. You know, people just went just rented on relentlessly from day one about this idea of russian occupation. And yet those same people dont see alice time this row and you know, theres a, theres a little strange, but lets move logic that. But going back to this a bundle which has been thrown out, you know, it will probably come back in and i think um button will probably push it if i dont think itll be 24 been it may be upfront. Oh oh, you know what . The white house is bushing up. I what a one time, 100000000000. Thats what theyre pushing right now. Back to the open. Yes. Theyre, theyre there. Theyre going for the big, big of the jackpot here because they want to take it out of the election cycle. Keep going. Oh, okay. But then, you know, and that, that just kind of kind of brings us neatly to, you know, the government chief burrell and the, you said, you know what, we need the americans we were coming from. But basically pretty useless without america. You know, weve got this great deal with them, they pay for everything going to, but i think, oh, this is starting to fall apart because even if its one shot a 100000000000, thats nowhere near enough to, to really take it by fall. And the 1st 100000000 didnt go far. We go so, you know, but, but i think the voices of dissent in america are all starting to bring that fist on the table and talk about some kind of accountability to this money. Because so far, you dont know what i mean. Noticing at all, how do you do that . How do you, how do you take the taxpayers money from america and send it to the most corrupt country in the world, and just sit by the same uh, we dont need or thing all things, but were paying the all so, you know, take time and who knows what we might find. You know, now its just, i general, is this whole history of impunity. George, you mean it is real . A gets 3000000000. 00 and could 78. 00 every single year in the United States. So thats a, thats the well i that its with egypt as of its, its like, i mean, as the age wherever they get each one, i think thats the same. I think i give the same amount to each. But thats a very interesting issue because of cause and this was raised by steve bannon environment of significant figured because hes very close to trump. And he said, well, look at this or, i mean hes what goes a strong support a result. Well, where does this money go . I mean weve, weve been giving them all this a for years and years and years, and they just called fly for there. And where is that . What happened to their intelligence . What happens, or theyre incredibly powerful on pauses. And where did this money go . And then, you know the band them being bannon, raise the question, you know, baby lives in the off. It was the 1st leader in the world who recognized bidens election victory in 2020, and also, or trumpet. Dont say him with, you know, the abraham a goal, its, you know, moving the embassy to jerusalem. Recognizing the annexation of the going high, stopping the day to the power stands and offer all that lives in the will recognize them by them immediately. You know, thats something thats what thats playing in the mind in a truck. You know, again is, goes, bro, is around them. So thats, thats also the case by golfing. So thats a problem for a if its where it is rarely, you know, when you got people who were, you can count on as being your sub and advocates. I going to stop asking whether this money go. I mean, what have you been doing all this time . You know, you people, you know, youre not able to deal with this direct side. Bunch of, uh, you know, you know, brigands, um, so somebody. Yeah. But that means that even though theres a lot of citizens, cynicism in the, in this politics here in the middle east, martin, let me mention, you know, this is a bill for him. Okay. Investigations into them probably drops will probably get this particular sufficient re warm through a and theyll give you going to be able to kill a whole lot of palestinians. I mean, thats exactly what and yes, it was all about it, but you could look at it that way. You could say, yeah, this is exactly what it has been dreaming of, you know, and i think he will usher in a much, much more stringent to tell the turning, read me, you know, f o, any remaining traits as opposed to liberties of course, can be what job because you can justify that the same one that were in a while now. So you know, were going to just, are there any just out there who are going to critical to me, you know, well get rid of those. You know, we thought how many dissenting voices no, no opposing now to know where it was are now old personal liberties will be crunched down, bought george made the interesting point. You said, well, if, if, if anyone you cant trust and us and yahoo even when, when he did so much for trump, you know, and i think perhaps the people of as well would be asking the same question. Can we trust national have now . Because you know, this great lead to you are the one who oversees the intelligence community. You know, you didnt see this coming into journalism generalist inmate. So lets just hold a whole us a little bit and wait for a few days and a few weeks for some leaks to come out of the intelligence community. When people, columbia, a conspiracy theorist will say, perhaps nothing the uh who did know it was coming. Well, i didnt say you did, but i always lead a new there. Hey, i mean, i in the spring. But george, what do you think about that . Well, thats a possibility. Well have to see um, how let any yahoo respond to him if he does indeed sees us as an opportunity. Great. Now we can just simply a workshop. People, you know, all the, you know, on this, this is, this is the excuse weve been looking for. You know, then well say he knew about this. Um, i mean at least it, it would give him a sort of try to do it as a little better than the alternative, but hes just so, so totally incompetent. Right in the dark. Yeah. Lets remember people that netanyahu was in both pearl harbor, United States, and destroy hiroshima and nagasaki was based on what we were attacked and process. Well, thats right, and i think look, i mean mostly would accept if the on knew that this attack was coming. I mean, and basically he was waiting for it as a way to get it into world war 2. So it could well be that the, nothing yahoo just sat on these hands. But it was also the alternative which is there. They are incompetent. You know, a problem, they werent going to then back in 73. They were called flatfooted. You know, that was celebrating on young people. And, you know, not realizing this, the, so the attack and again, the, the incompetence of the americans over the americans though it had been, they know the, Something Like this was coming as well. And they further they left the 11 on with their tail between their legs. So, all right, gentlemen, well see where that goes. Well probably be talking about it when we can be next week. Thats all the time we have. What i think make us america in budapest and where they are be worth for watching us here at our dc and next time. Remember across stipends, the im a Senior Research seems to be moving to sweet google news. Im losing the suite to its because of the some of those. So by itself, can you please tell me is that is to stick. Awkward, according that. Took a gamble unless youre willing to order these voided, 60 of know wouldnt be the one that you laid out of minutes. So youll go, you keep on, you have to assume, according to the gender is most important part of the virtual field. So as for the, for the, for the, for the, on the last place, the at least 50 palestinians are killed in a single is way attack. Were going to the tires all that told in garza to 506. 00 the office 3 days at 7 televisions enough to apples as a top. My head, not swell pits as a desk sold across the country, wisest to over 800. 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