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Of opium took on collazo proportions and led to the horrible depths of millions of ordinary chinese. The hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things are considered on Peter Lavelle when him, off long to this operations against israel, the west of world, as usual, declared it was an unprovoked attack. This is not surprising. As with the conflict in ukraine, the west refuses to accept that he is responsible for his client states destructive and illegal behavior. The the cross walk in palestine. Im joined by my guess, ramsey by rude in seattle. Hes a palestinian author and journalist and so then we have mohammed mirandi, hes a professor at the university of the room and in rome we crossed through romano roberto. She is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle. All right, cross talk roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate ramsey, im going to go to you and seattle 1st because its a god awful hour there. I really appreciate, appreciate you joining us here. Im sure youve been watching the coverage of the complex starting on saturday, and then it was an unprovoked attack. Apparently just came right out of the blue. You know, just a bolt out of having here. But it is so painful, you know, as everyone knows that been covering incessantly the ukraine conflict and we have the same rhetoric unprovoked attack. But saying this about palestine. I mean, we got to go back 70 years if you want us talk about unprovoked go ahead, ramsey a. Absolutely so, so even im going to jump right into it and say that, forgive us, what kind of stadiums think speed about this just for a minute. To try to understand this to improve bolt. I mean, International Law says that you owe is power. The United Nation says the goal that is under siege. Pretty much everyone around the world can read country around the world. The United Nation says that israel says in violations of yours International Laws and United Nations. This resolution, it has a single do norris, the reader for this thing to do what kind of sydney allies nor for the for, for the fact that the city has all the most basic and minimal of Pain Medicine of Freedom Movement to mary to survive. And it takes place day after day after that, if theres anything in the world that gets to bolt, this is it. So how do you use this term in good cautions, and how do they do away with it on friday, the Mainstream Media is so bizarre, these days does not get to spend space for us to me, is to find all these say, because my, but maybe we have a different narrative or a different political discourse. Maybe the last of our children do matter. Maybe lots of or people not as maybe just maybe isnt. Oh, is this a part time colonial state that should be held accountable under International Law . And yet its, its not so yes is very much per bolt. And that should be where the conversation is. Well, that was good to professor mirandi. That would, if they did do exactly what ramsey is, is proposing that would mean they have a conscience, but they dont have a conscience here. And im sure it was a, it didnt go a missed all 3 view of we had the arts, neo con nikki haley. Running for the republican nomination for president and she said on national television, finish them, finish them. But professor thats, thats a call for genocide and it went, nobody said anything. It just went. It will water off the back of a duck. Go ahead and turn around of a quite a few kind. A few people have been speaking about genocide in the last 34 days. Its a find it amazing. Its not just as riley officials and its rarely public figures. Its western officials and western politicians and western public figures that are saying give them how you mean this truck get rid of them destroy. And if you are, we hope never to hear about gaza again after a few days and that sort of thing. And i think that symbolizes the fact that is a symbol of, of western civilization and where it stands right now, israel and my, you represents best western civilization today in acts of israel represent the acts of western governments and western politically leads. Im not speaking about the ordinary people on the streets in london or new york that are struggling to get by im speaking about those leads and have positions of power and influence and the media and academia in business and in government. They are extraordinarily racist. They are, they are the 2 enemies of human rights and Human Dignity by saying this was unprovoked. They know they are like, they know that for 75 years, the Palestinian People have been provoked. 24 hours a day. We see almost daily desks in the west bank by is rileys usually teenagers is rarely, regime goes into an account, shows a few people comes back, nothing happens and its not reported in the media. Settlers go and attack children, burn them alive, beat up adults, beat up teenagers, kill a few here, and there are, its not reported in the western media, and its becoming, it has become a lot worse. In fact, ever since the new netanyahu regime is come to power, yet the situation has become unbearable and the tax and on palestinians have increased. So no one in this part of the world is filled by the narrative. And i think in other parts of the world as well, the global cell, no one really takes the a western media seriously anymore. The, what the influence of the western media is in the west. Yeah. Used to be that the western media had gemini over the glow. But now i would say it has to germany over the west, and there is alternative media, but that is, i think, kept in check. Well were, were trying to turn the page and then with a guess like this we are reminded on one of the interesting things is that we had the, the, the Prime Minister of israel saying to the palestinians. And guys, i get out of gaza. The hold that thought and then you showed the airport intel, of even people are all leaving. Yeah. Well they can leave. Okay. But its, its not explained to western audiences, but the people and gods are in are in prison. They cant leave and there. But again, in west to me, it just about they have to we go where go head and room. Absolutely. Uh, you know, the context is completely missing from every account in western media these days. And nobody is mentioning the fact that god, these funds are her magic feet and has been on their hermetic fit for 16 years. A few days before october 7, before the policy and resistance long steve Major Military operation, we were reporting above the fact that keeping the patients in gaza did not have the medical supplies that are needed to be treated. So doctors went on camera se begging east road, please allow some medical supplies in. This is believe it. These are the leading conditions. Youve got the, which is the United Nations declared unbelievable by 2001 we are in 2023. What im saying is that the support international community, i would say rather the west and also the western media are responsible for what is happening today. Because yes, of course, nikki haley called for genocide. A youll have galandes really defense minister yesterday said that god has to be completely shut up, shut off the word and no water, no food, no fuel. And these are open cause for genocide, but even turning your back completely and not, you know, reporting about the god, the feet and about the and bear with the conditions of the policy and people means being responsible for thats genocide. So i really think the international community, meaning the west and the western media are actually responsible for what is happening these days, you know, uh, ramsey. I, i find that really quite curious, but it shows how sloppy and actually stupid and dishonest. These people are that there has to be a new knock box, which of course, is rarely this course. Youre not supposed to talk about it, but when it becomes convenient, then they talk about it. And then they, they, they actually realize, and, and, and legitimize the, the historical truth, that it actually, the not, but actually did happen. Go ahead in seattle to does this really interesting quite a bit there because they are not, not just supervising the that the, the, the human side of the city is in 1947, 48. We are actually using the very post in your time, which means the catastrophe of the very destruction of the palestinian homes. And i used to be called that. But what is even more interesting is the fact that people in gauze are the vast majority of the, are the descendants of those refugees. Some of them are still alive, but the defendants of those refugees who were so cool. I think the clears one by this time in the 75 years ago. Another really interesting, but everybody is talking about how much this is. Let me just have that they are trying to find out. Was it you want to behind this was this coordinated which has moved up, but nobody is asking the question. Oh, are these young young people who are these young people who joined us some briggs join us . Let me do you have briggs, a part of the other moving to going and circular and social movements and goes up. And there are quite to who are that . There were either were, babies were children with is what it is. So you dont. Garza started into in 2006, 2007. They have no political consciousness of the time, nor children of this was developed under siege. They werent being humanized is what else is repeatedly. We tell calories, we want to keep palestinians live with the dogs. We want to keep them alive and badly so. So the are the outcome of what is, what is speech is what youd be have to do, human auditing discourse, the calorie counting, the least pretty the as part of a Historical Context in whats to be coming from the nation that has no political life whatsoever. And the original julie father was dying. Ramsay, its really, its really interesting. Again, i mentioned in the beginning of the program, ukraine, the people of the don bass for 8 years had no agency whatsoever. They had no humanity, no sanctity of humanity whatsoever. And this is what and they all the way, and were not because this has been done to the palestinians for 75 years. Okay. And, but the parallel as they are, the same discourse is used to de humanize and to deny people any kind of power. Im going to jump in here folks, were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on palestine state with our to the the, the c i. 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I mean, and after that, the 1st, sorry, is that, uh, the mouse shot into israel. Minutes later, everyone was pointing the finger at a finger at around to announce involvement. And all this again, you know, the people of guys who have no agency, they have no and they cant do anything without somebody telling them what to do. Which is so tiresome. Okay. Considering what ramsey just had to say when you, when they, when uh, the blockade started in 2007 and you have children, theyre grown up now theyve grown up under this machine here. Im sure im pretty sure they have a pretty good idea of who they are, but lets talk about it around because it looks to me like the lindsey grahams. This is another opportunity that they, they want to have in general more with it around. I know you around will not take the bait, but im sure it around is prepared. Go ahead mohammed. Yes, and the writing is obviously are going to continue helping the Palestinian People and theyre going to help him us and his stomach to hot and all the resistance groups that are struggling for survival and for their rights. But to, to deny the Palestinian People agency is i think races in itself even though this whole affair is race, is the fact that the western media is supporting an apartheid regime. It shows the institutional racism in the west, but the Palestinian People are highly intelligent, highly creative, very smart. And they were able to defeat a much more powerful and the end, very abusive oppressor. And this really isnt suffered a major defeat and they dont want to accept the fact that the downtrodden and oppress Palestinian People trapped in gaza surrounded in gaza that they could or impose such a defeat upon is randy regime. But both the, the, this does not mean that the ronnie as well support the policy and people who run will continue to support the cause of sending people around will continue to support from us. You wrong will continue to support your stomach, john, but it is the people of palestine that are fighting to survive. It is the people of color assigned for the defeat. It is right of the machine and it is the people of palestine that are being bomb. Women and children by that is really reaching day and night and the western media and within the west is not a democracy. There. This whole facade about freedom and democracy is for kids. Thats the, even kids shouldnt believe it anymore. The western media are, is behaving like foot soldiers or the as rarely regime. Theyre trying to justify genocide, theyre trying to prepare the browns so that people will accept mass starvation mass that across kaiser. So theyre trying to create this moral equivalence. Theyre talking about palestinians raping is rarely without any of the evidence. Theyre talking about civilians being killed, where colossians are being killed every day, every day for years. Sometimes in the hundreds in one day, sometimes one a day. Its. Its something that they live with all the time. So the west is trying to create some false moral equivalence in order to help the is really, really mean. In some cases the west is openly supporting genocide, western politicians, public figures. It used to be these rarely to who, who, who said such things and, and they wouldnt say it in english. Now. Everything is fine. Everyone can say what they really think. And quote, what mohammad went to the dentist or china not come down. Why should they do it now . They, they support nazis and ukraines. They celebrated nazi in canada. I mean what, you know . Yeah. The, the, the, the bail was down there. Theyre very opening what their intentions are here, ramada. I thought it was very interesting to the joe biden is sending the Aircraft Carrier, gerald ford to, to uh, to the power city, the boot method, turn mediterranean coast. Okay. Again, thats one of the things i look at this comp like, you know, a complex usually is like 2 sides of comfortable power. Its never been the case here. So theyre sending an Aircraft Carrier against guys on motorcycles. I mean, its really quite extraordinary. And the extraordinary ingenuity of the people of gaza considering the blockade to be able to defend themselves like theyve done is really, really remarkable. Nobody wants to point that out. Go ahead and room. Yes, absolutely it. First of all, of course the, the, you know, the use of the term conflict in the wrong context has been instrumental for so many years. Yeah. And, you know, it didnt recognize the fact that there was an occupier entered, occupied at people. So this was, of course, this has been done for years. What is happening now though, if thats of course, there was an end or estimation of the power of policy in the policy and people to resist, but also of the policy and resistance movements to organize themselves. Both in terms of manpower and in terms of weapons. And as we said, ingenuity to the point that a couple of weeks ago, dig sullivan, which is the National Security advisor, the United States, a set. And i quote here that the me that weve done is quite or today the never been into decades. And these was said a couple of weeks before this happened before october 7th. So it means that of course they were, they were projecting an idea of the middle east. We, we saw and the tiny house at the United Nations with the met without the post, without the borders of pa, this and say, these are the new with an east. And they were talking about normalization between at east will. And so do you read the without involving policies . They wanted to roll the met of the new me the east without completely neglecting the color scheme of the book. And this is where the policy and with this, the fed. No, we exist and we are not gonna allow you to ignore us completely what you are projecting these idea. And often you want me to leave a room. And im really glad you brought that up because i wanted to talk about this quote unquote normalization process. Ramsey, they is there. Is there any coincidence in the timing here . Because when netanyahu was at the United Nations, he showed a map of the middle east, there was no power sign there. I mean, we picked up on that, but most the world didnt release of the western world didnt pick up on it. But hopefully this is a dead in the water right now. I mean, how shameful it has been for eric governments to be involved in this process. But hopefully its been put on ice go ahead, ramsey. You know its, its, its interesting feature that follow when every major event saucon on, if you will, using american terms. The always declare and you want me that hes going to use arise, declared the new with a piece of this. But just after the or during the is really the more the devastating war or living on 2006, nothing me. I was through the united uh, United Nation was september also declare a new middle east. And now thats gonna be always saying, i wouldnt change the middle east when, when struck, which is really interesting. Does it mean that the middle east hasnt really been changed . So helen and you will be the e scanned the minute is actually a forward. But what is even more interesting is the fact that were not. Were not the city of what is a good agency. We are talking about the will private pass to me and strategy. Listening to the speech is a World Leaders of the United Nations General Assembly in september. The position is coming from russia coming from. Do you want somebody from south america coming from south africa . Where much stronger the most are countries. So this has been an organized activity, marginalizing must give a subsidy to the palestinian cause. Im completely removing palestine from any investments of American Interest in the middle east and be honest, were involved in this 100 percent. Now everybody is going to go back to the drawing board and they have to rethink that strategy. I personally think that normally they should, it is either, at least for the source and medium terms. We dont know whats going to happen in the future. The americans are say, no, no, no, we is still in the works and were going to work on it. But we know that blinking as it has been given a have really decided not to go to more roku enough to will that not a single, not the full room reading the arts together to celebrate the reading this way as well. So theyre kind of sitting in did, in fact, managed to seize the rules of the game. Want to be, i dont think always a coincidence. And thats why i brought up the question, well what, what are the chances this, this conflict could expand . Im thinking about has the law in lebanon, and of course, theyre your country around because theyre pretty plenty of people in the west with, you know, this is how they see this is a golden opportunity to rearrange everything. They always did it wrong. They always get it wrong, but it doesnt keep them from trying. Go ahead and cut on. Yes, they always get it wrong always. And thats something that they are not going to learn again. This time around the idea, they simply think that they can change the a map and impose their will and they fail time after time. And the west is not the power. They dont have the strength and the power that they had to 3 decades ago. The United States and its allies on the decline and the existence of this rain, the regime, depends on the United States and the power of the United States. And the power of a you apartheid is only in place because the United States and its european Allies Health is rarely enforced. Without them, their health, the regime would collapse very quickly. So as the United States decline as the europeans decline, and its their own fault that theyre on the decline, economic policies aside forever, wars, and now the war and ukraine and tensions with china. Theyve brought it upon themselves. So as a decline therapy hit the looking increasingly foolish when they try to impose their will on a region which is changing, which has evolved, you run is not intimidated by the United States. Iran is not intimidated by the whole of nato. And then in the policy and people in gaza has shown that they are not intimidated. The palestinians in the west bank are not intimidated the people of loving on are not intimidated. So yes, this could spread. This could get much worse, because if the is riley, regime pushy is too hard, theyre going to be smacked down. If they try to destroy cause of this war will definitely escalade and have no doubt that with whether this really is go into cause a whether they do not go into gaza, theyve lost. But if they go into gaza, the receipt will be much worse. Yeah, so well if you, if you believe in god and you pray at night, i hope everyone will pray for the folks of guys cuz its, its alarms as long struggle ahead, but its something that is so surprise me on saturday. And i really want to think, ramsey, because hes kept the consciousness of the of the palestine penny and people alive for the rest of is good job, my friend, as all the time we have one, i think my guess in rooms seattle engines around. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. See you next time. Remember prospect the the acceptance. And im here to plan with you. Whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Seriously. Why watch something thats so different. Little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. 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We felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance rather than suspicious except a reality that we felt was like, shockingly unfair. My sorry that i decided to fight for my country. No, im not good. I have done things differently. Yes, absolutely. Do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything . Absolutely. The yes. And then what is the additional duties distribution, massive displays of brutality. Do georgia . The monstrous atrocities are then going to have extra for thousands, maimed and tortured. Why does the Ukrainian Army help us so many said his own way to