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T feel free to head over to r t dot com for more. Any of those stories wanted speak to scouts only, but with the full news on down in just a new now was the hello and welcome to the cross top, where all the things are considered. Im peter live out. The by ministration has words and only words and contradictory words. At that when it comes to a cease fire, we are told a must interguards that at the same time arm slow into israel to hinder the same 8 the cross talking palestine. Im joined by my guess line or in new york, steals a legal in media analyst, and in london we have a real consent tax. He is the founder of a k consulting and a Foreign Affairs analyst, or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. That means he can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate line. Oh, let me go to you 1st. Youve been very kind to be my 1st chair for a many months now. Thats how long this conflict has been going on. Its not really a conflict, its really kind of one sided. Its a military against civilians, at least thats how i read it. The civilians, mostly women and children. My question to you a line or are you surprised that joe biden is accomplished with . No other president s in American History has been able to achieve. He is basically essentially got the entire world to have loathing for the United States for its in action and action actions when it comes to gaza. Your thoughts, my friend, as well, a couple of things. First i, i told you that before that my, my guess my contribution should be apparent that would be called a view from the fish ball. Now what youre saying is most appropriate around the world. However, in the United States, in my country, nobody knows anything about this. They know more about ukraine, then this i must start off with. I think the most pivotal of news that im seeing this week. Apparently, you know, peter, we, we, we have this thing called the n word. We all know what that is, but we acknowledge what the n is. There is a g word here, theres genocide and nobody will even, oh crap. So made it recently a o. C of alexandria across your cortez was as one of the most liberal members of the most liberal progressive factions of the American Congress was as well. You acknowledge this as being genocide. And you would have thought, 1st of all, it wasnt that she refused to recognize the terms like she didnt know what it was on. This is, this is where we are. I just want to Say Something very quickly as a lawyer to particular to particular acts asked or asked that target a national ethnic, racial, religious group. Thats number one. Number 2 actor acts that seek to destroy all or part of it. One of the reasons why a lot of countries in particular, not just us hate, this is that, that were definition of war often times involves this. So if we become too familiar with this term, if we become to facile, if you will, with the application of genocide, its going to apply elsewhere. So you have a multi kind of a definitional war going on here. And that i think is one of the critical aspects, but yet that volume is turned up daily here in the us all. While its very interesting that you say that because the title of this program is merger and god. So my original title was normalizing. Got a genocide, exact reason the your have presented to our audience here comes on say let me go to you in london. Is it any better in the u. K . Can you say the g word a lot really . Um, as we can see um uh with the um victory of uh mr. George galloway. That took place last week. Uh about 5 minutes. The receipts and i can quite extraordinary man. Uh uh, suitcase way too. I gave a speech in the from the a number 10 by 10 of them named George Galloway full and you know, instigating divisions in the country uh bought really bought the victory of mr. Galloway says, is that the, the people, the majority of the people not only most, thats because the tory party is trying to put tray business, right. As a, uh, as a moving company we have to bear in mind the impala sign. People are also christian. Yes. And then menu occasions, the uh, charges impala is fine with us being the charges in the west to raise the voice and call them well that is released to me. But here in the u. K. A. And i have to say its, im sorry for being just splunk about it, that is really lovely. And these documents in the government and the media is trying to put trade. I mean to, to paint this conflict as a miss the impact class, the gays be factors. Cool. Because the labor party uh that you know, i was out. My knew that by the judge galloway didnt rock stale and also conservative. Not because the moose lives voting in this way because the majority of the people was sweeping and going through the streets in practice, peaceful protest against what they see against the what, which is general 5 uh, probably the concern. And it is, it is, you know, striking to me that most of the 40 part team members can say, or do anything about it. They dont even mention the fact that it is not only about the movement population but close about the christian ones. And they are refraining from any words of condemnation towards israel. So what does it say about the condition of the democracy, about the charities values in the west of human rights, and even when most of the right windows and conservators, who i used to hold in, in the great esteem up being pro life and being christian with way of this, you know, a christian and full life values being applied equally to each and every person. Yes, absolutely wrong to you. Its painfully obvious what theyre doing here. Theyre hypocrites. Okay. Thats what they are. You know, line all of Bernie Sandra said, if i remember quite, he felt uncomfortable about using the word well, we should all be a while. Im comfortable about it. Okay. And we just stop it. All right, thats whats really pathetic about lydel moving on. Im sure you saw it on the news with wait span fair. The bite in ministration ordered a dropping of aide over a gaza of what 333000 prepared meals. And i saw that and i felt ashamed and horrified lionel. The 1st i, i, i looked at this im thinking does this look like were helping or that were trying to creep past the barricades. Were, were going to be dropping drones next. Like a pizza delivery here. I mean, this is, this is, this is the way we, this is delivering help. I, ive got to ask somebody, the hardest part, by the way, about your show peter is in listening to this thinking, 50 different issues every time one of your learned guys said something. First of all, look at what, why this, this particular issue is so different to americans. Number one that deals with the, the nation of israel, nation state, the state of israel and deals a little bit dare i say, with religion. This really isnt about religion. No, its about, its just about whats right and wrong and, and who and the browser and people that are being oppressed thats, thats like special or to that. Go ahead. But it, but im explaining the mindset. So a lot of americans say, oh there go those crazy b as weve been told in the longest time, then when it comes to, especially the arab muslim terrorist kind of an interplay. Yeah. These people are living in the 4th century, and there they go again. And then theres this idea of the o. Well, thats the way it is and theyre americans dont know the level of involvement that we are in ukraine is one thing because the word billy enjoy that because theres a money aspect to it. And just look at the case of aaron bush now, not to bring that up again. But america has looked at that and were told by people based on weight and what used to be called the Mainstream Media, all some lunatic, you know, crazy suicide. So americans look at this, is that, well not, not boys will be boys, but you know, how they are there. What are you going to do . And thats it. And they move on. They have no idea of the complexity of this. I keep telling people do say that the, thats a troubles in ireland or between catholics and protestants. Dont want that. Thats the name you gave it was about the land was about sovereignty was about right and wrong. It was by human that for some reason his blood brain barrier has not been traversed. Well, i know, but why . No, but thats, thats all intentional. I mean, you and i grew up in the, the, the israel palestine issue was never can. And contextualized because we on yours, thats what we were fed. That was the line and its still there actually. I real. I think its a bit different though in the u. K. Im glad you brought up the election of galloway because you do have different well very you have communities in the u. K. That feel very, very strongly about this issue. And guys in the United States, you could have michigan and you have other states within the u. K, theres a higher intensity go ahead in london up. Indeed, it is a higher intensity, but i wouldnt say that its only associated with the movement population. I mean im, im quite disappointed that mr. Nigel for us. Uh, painted this as a, as a, as a listening problem and um, but it is not also most of the right wing circle, right . Mean, come and say, just try to portray it as, as a, as a what as a gesture of what will kase and know many conservatives and christians who my know outrage and would be outrage if it would happen somewhere else. This is about humanity and dignity, and if i am on the personal of, of you know what i mean i, i believe im the person who believe in god and im not ashamed or afraid to say it out, apply this me equally. But if we try to, uh, only for the political games, because most of the parties, i mean, this is a, we living in a cost of parking system. It is a call to a puppy system, but which of this part is us, you know, not the chevy the, the resources not competing for the resources and at the same amount of the effect would be conspiring to protect the collective interest. So going back to George Galloway, he just a voice the sentiment within the Broad Spectrum of many communities. And thats why theyre outrageous and huge backlash both from the left and from the right. Yep. So if you can see a backlash coming from each and every angle, this man has to Say Something, you know, which is good, which is true. If hes being attacked by the government, i mean what you do, it is just the marginal player easily in the last uh west part of things. But how it comes that the Prime Minister feels cool. Yeah, yes. But do you know what i mean . Right, before we go to the brain here, youre absolutely right. Its, you know, but because most of us in the ellipse dont want to recognize it, most of us are politically homeless. Thats why George Galloway happened last week. So as most people feel politically homeless and marginalized, gentleman, i have to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on powers by state. With our case, the the was a major issue. You will probably be doing it by giving me the condition initially little up by me, appreciate the code and because then we should stick remotely because you will get to the subject yourself. Okay, so should the cases i chose Customer Care of them, and then i just need to spell the name. She goes to the on the plaza road. Lemme, you know, a pre roll. That was the term. Yes. Thats the most important thing to do with somebody. Some of the other ones congested is the, is the sort of you, but youre starting successful. Who wants to build some of the treasures to go additional to read on that im forward to for so most of which might get rain when the welcome back to the cross popular. All things are considered. Im peter about your mind. You were discussing palestine the, the okay is go back. So uh, lionel in new york i, i, i know that most of the main stream legacy corporate, well, you know, you and ive argued about the term over the years. But its all intentionally dumb down by dumb people, expecting their audience to be dumber than they are, which they are not. Ok. As i said at the end of the 1st part of our program, most people are alienated by the leads, the rule over them. And i dont care what party it is. I mean, i have just as much as loading for the main parties in the United States and the same thing in the u. K. And i, the George Galloway is a wonderful breath of fresh air, but hes one man, but who knows your mind . Well, you know, looking at the media in the United States, you know, but lets bring up like cnn. You know, in is really invasion of bravo would be a catastrophe. Well yeah, it would be. But why . Why isnt something being done to stop and say, thats what i find so revolting is that they show us a jet aside in real time. But were all help, was israels a sovereign country . Well, since when is the United States respected the sovereignty of Foreign Countries line . Oh, you know, peter, you made a great term about being politically homeless. Ive used my, the term of political atheist and as balls x that i always tell people im with the opposition, whoever who are on with the opposition. But i want to add a new concept, but i asked my, my friends and colleagues, think of yourself isnt being politically instrument rated. Youre a pilot. Im looking at this. I dont know, party a country a is doing this. I dont know who it is. Could be friends, could be whatever to this group. Dont know who this is and im saying, oh, thats terrible. That is let me see. What are you doing . Yeah, thats genocide under the laws. Okay. You didnt look up any the, oh my god, its israel. Forget what i said, i changed my mind because im telling people, if this were a friends, no problem. If this were russia, no problem, its the selective outrage and peter, you, when i or from the generation where we were, we, i, our left and right. Were pretty defined. Yep. You know, left was out, you know, was as you war and i always thought of myself, its kind of be like the product, a big old Thomas Jefferson liberal. But i didnt change the parties change. They say what exactly they were we, i havent left anything they left me or so precisely. Its like the left right paradigm is an illusion. Its 2 sides of the same coin. And now for reason, i do not understand and i can grasp this. Why is this so different . And what happens is, you know, what happens if you or do say, hes up between the old age. If you said the said something negative, you would be a conspiracy. There is, and you werent not nicole. And thats what theyre going to lay on. George galloway, hes not. Theyre going to pull back and re thing hes ever said in a thought in a tweet and a message. Theyre going to portray him as this hat wearing alone, a tech who represents this friend watch what happens. I mean, did script. Well, it is. Thats a really good point. I mean, i saw a is go back to our guest in london. I dont know. I mean, you know, i, i saw the, the after election interview with this. I think maybe it was a sky person. Im, im not sure. I think its gone by real. I think its like take 20000000 views right now. But you know, ive been called all sorts of names. You know what i dont care anymore. I dont know because the people that call me names i have no respect for so i dont care what they have to say. And George Galloway, i mean, you know, hes got a very big scan and hes actually very, very smart. And hes one of the last of his generation. They can actually speak to a public and a coherent and put pleasing way. I love listening to him, but you know, they, theyre going to do everything they can to a tackle. And so what ed will go ahead . Yes, thats true. I mean, as i, as i suddenly full, i mean its, is, is a constant trace of an attack from both sides. But what to say about that . I mean, i dont want to, you know, um, uh, some, you know, thats very prophetic here, but i think the judge got away is the last hope for this country. Uh, when it comes to uh, gathering people from all sorts of spectrum, from the true light, from the true left who deeply care about the full full, the values that this country is supposed to be representing. And this station supposed to be representing to uphold the sofa western values. Yeah, i mean the question and western bodies, and i do not believe in labeling any more. George got away as the left is because if you look at what hes saying, i mean hes the heat from day one. He was pro breaks it. He believes in strong family. He knows what would the around a woman is. So he doesnt have this. What would you be the agenda in his mind and he believes in Strong Communities and hes a games, you know, grooming guides to which us, you know, in some parts of the country are doing a rent this things to do to, to dig through to the young goals, so i do believe that he might be a part that will check his thoughts, something bigger and i, oh well i didnt know to what i was. I wrote about the left and right. This is know what, what is there not to like what you just said well whats, whats not like do like i, i dont get it, you know, line all i, i know George Galloway, ive met him a number of times. Hes been on this program and number of times ive been in his podcast, hes been a my pod gas and ill spell it out. Hes socially conservative. So my okay, economically, you know, hes conservative and so in social values, guy and cultural values. And he believes the state should be able to serve the people. I dont know whats hard to understand about that. Okay. But if you dont get on the, the work agenda or the culture wars, then you, then youre put into a box. He refuses to do that. I refuse to do that. I know you line although and if you refuse, they have that done, i think as well as well. And i think thats why people watch this program line on. Well peter, there you go again. And so using logic, you know, thinking there you go, you just never learned, do you, you dont remember what happened. Theres the, the, the upon them is, i guess when you been finkelstein, remember this guy who basically was ground into permits, they didnt even exist. And then all of a sudden i, i told a friend of mine lovingly hes like herpes, he just flares up, i guess, like i thought we took care of that. Here he comes, you know, every time theres an argument, every time theres Something Like this, these are beta tests. These are the opposition to see what can we do that works. Because like sometimes back, you know, we become bacteria resistant, or antibiotic resistant. Every time this happens and we dont fight back as to the truth, not just sides, but as with the truth, then the opposition, whatever that is, become stronger and more resilient in every time Something Like this happens. Remember, our Mainstream Media gentlemen are, are, are dying. Theyre hanging on by a thread and theyre going to do nothing to in any way, sacrifice, whats left left of corporate support. So theyre going to be re peters, not reporters, and proxies for whoever is in charge. So lets just move them out of the way. But what were seeing is a complete and total, and i hope extension of this left right paradigm because this doesnt exist. I told you before, peter, that ive got a friend of mine who are prototypical left is upper west side. Jews who now have to go to the fox knows to find some kind of silas. And ive got the left, like rachel, mabel, and others who want to go a war to war with everybody that you wait a minute. Have i been in a fog . Im from the 6 piece. Who are these people . Well, when do you have a title . I think is what it gets down to. I agree with you that ive given up on this left right paradigm a long time ago. Doesnt make any sense. Me intentionally tries to divide people, which i refused to do that when jimmy door and Tucker Carlson can sit down and have a great conversation. That gives me a little bit of hope. Ok, but you know, its all about the donors. They are the ones that determine the message and the narrative, and we have to get away from that very, very difficult. Thats why we have to have people like George Galloway and even norman finkelstein. Id, well, what do you mentioned . Somebody i think is really interesting is that in, in western media, legacy media, they try to portray this as of kind of civilizational war a, you know, were civilized and then everyone else, or both of our barry until the burrell thing here. But what you said is absolutely right, if its all about that, and were the ones that are the barbarians as the, as the read off. Yes, because we have been desensitized by the, by the media who as a brought me all the commentate to said, uh, is uh, you know, uh, peddling the and working in the interest not of the public bought all of the donors or, and supporters and stakeholders. So unfortunately, the site, the society has been some defensive i but, but Something Like the victory of George Galloway is given. If this is a wake up call, or for for the existence of many people from different spectrums from political are faithful, left this all right, wingers for people who truly cat to not lose our soul and sanity because it is all about, you know, being made in in any shape of full, as youve mentioned i, i really appreciate when people from different pop, you know, spectrum political spectrums can sit down and have a discussion. This is, this is all about the society and the cohesion because otherwise we will be just devices in room. This is what the people, especially here, the, im elected Prime Minister wishy soon i did by firing a short a of George Galloway with a speech this he is the divide to not judge by the way, but because the judge got away is the person who was trying to bring people from all spectrums to fight for the country and fight for what is right. And im with him. Yeah. So, you know, you know, you know, like, oh, i remember a few years ago i had a guest on, she was a democrat and shes like, she was, you know, shes all about diversity. Were all about diversity and about i replied to her and she had no answer for me. I said, well, what about unity . Yes. For a quality, you know, there, there needs to be something right now and gentlemen, i dont want to be a cassandra or i guess a false prophet or, or bad news bearer. But lets see what happens for those people who come up to support George Galloway. This is, you need an i am spartacus moment right now. If he is this loan loyce, this radical who comes forward and they say, oh, isnt that plaza . Or you have people in the u. K. Petrified to day or even even not in agreement. Then all of this is for not that will do nothing again but toughen the resistance. And our and the gentleman had a very good point. We have become not only desensitize, we have been habituated and condition not only to look the other way or, or not to react to violence. But we have this almost like this, this political or this of a guys a fatigue. And i hate to say, you know, if youre, theres something to that line or unfortunately there is something to that is i, and its something that well probably talk about next week, but well end down this positive note. These people in power are petrified. Thats a good 1st step. We know were going in the right direction as all the time. We have a fascinating discussion, i want to take my guess in new york and in london. 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