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What brought you to russia . What, at what point did you decide to come join this such a military operation as well as died in 2014. Everybody seen it worldwide, the events and you great, the great size, i call it, which is what it was. Right, wasnt no peaceful revolution. The events that followed was the system. I think murder of ethnic russian people. And then of course, most of that was called film, it was how to define it wasnt showed in the Mainstream Media back home were in the west. But of course i, i came across it the videos of what happened in odessa, a trade Union Building with a band our and the fascist locked innocent civilians and freedom within 10 in the building set on fire, killed a move of khaki where they set buses on 5 can and all the civilians inside of them. That of course, the nets, carpet bombing it from the sky and dropping phosphorus. These kind of things will y seen and videos were plentiful, you know, that originally started the idea in my head, the. Somethings wrong. Yeah. I got to stop in a go to help. Then of course the idea in my head was i was compressed in this simply because my tax money was going towards the arms, which were given to these a binder eyes and these flashes. So i couldnt sit there, can sit there and take it, and then of course, seeing the testimony of, of the family and the friends of these victims, you know, crying and breaking down and seeing the houses and homes destroyed and a burg my how. So thats why i decided to call them i couldnt take it in the, you know, this is basically it for me. At what point did you decide that you, you need to come, you need to participate to take part in this a 2022. So it was, it was some time before i decided because of course the idea is these crazy, right . So it took me awhile to come to terms with the idea of thats what i wanted to do, but 2022 when the russian involvement happened. And then of course, it escalated beyond peoples comprehension. So thats when i decided the i was actually going to do it and i started planning and preparing to come over and fight for the calls. Have you ever had any doubts about whether you took the right decision . No, not. So. Soon as i landed, i mean, i had nothing but i mean, the russian people in general of welcome me. Ive had nothing but good experiences and that you may use now and again, you missed the family, you miss home. And sometimes maybe those kind of those concrete pin, but actual doubts with me actually doing this. Fighting for the dumbass or russia for russians. No to 0 though. And i sacrifice the lot by coming over here. But i will do will over again tomorrow, 10 times over, you know, in your opinion, what do you think uh, youve come over as a volunteer. What do you think is the difference between a volunteer and the mercenaries that come over for the ukrainian side money . Simply because i had no idea of, of the concept of money. I volunteered to me was, i was voluntarily money didnt come into it. And if money would come in to out of state home and earn more money, you know, it was the, the, i do, the simple simple explanation is ideological for volunteer on the russian side. Thats, thats my experience of coming across of the volunteer is where as you go to the great inside that, that paid celia amounts of money and is obvious that i have for the money or that, that for the adventure of it. And that, that because some of the psychopaths and they like killing cause in that, thats my understanding of it. And i dont seem to get that from the volunteers on the, on the russian side from the west. Now the British Government has been talking about you and others come over as traders to the rich government. What do you think of what theyre saying . As far as labeling people like yourself traitors was, is a, is a deliberate tactic best or so . Um traits, a woods assume the im fights and against my own country, which officially and technically i know its because ritz and russia adults. It was released officially anyway. I dont know is, is a deliberate boy. I think they want to destroy my reputation. They want to destroy the idea, the bridges and citizens coming over to russia. Thats a volunteer. I just think is a load of rubbish. And i think the car to assess nation of me in the presses to maybe stop of citizens of having this similar, well the same way they have to come over and do the same thing, which there is people that do want to do. I know that because ive spoken to people, you know, isnt of a tactic of that is anyone find for rush or is going to be a criminal, a drug addicts, and alcoholics for us. You see what they did . So julie inside is just simply for reporting the truth and they live in a sex offender, right. Even though hes clearly innocent. So i wasnt above the per se, but its more when they start doing this kind of card to assess the nation or the psychopaths spock coming out of the woodwork for the difference. If i move i difference, friends of i the for us personally is or is like i was thats back from me. But what kind of mentality is uh, did you run into as far as people in the u. K, before you came over here for their products . Of the Education System thats for sure. The past 10 years or so. The west has just been in bach and on a very busy course of events. Its looking at breaking down the traditional families that doesnt exist anymore. Hardly any one. I know that parents and that will get together mothers have got free for kids are free for different 5 as of thats kind of and then the o g b, t q at traditional family values. Conservative values which most people would consider normal. And the same breakdown of that, so these kind of like society is di and is this become in the most just the general say, you know, i see that happening. Um, so yeah, the last 10 years of open goodwill. And you can, you can really see it in real time. So thats kind of is that what you mean by a question . Yes, that had been heard as far as this conflict. The people actually understand anything with the conflict and didnt have enough knowledge to understand anything about the conflict. Was that most people are so busy in their lives where i can survive effectively. They just watch what they see on tv, read what a read of newspapers. So no, i would say overall 19 percent of people buying counted in the u. K. In terms of the situation and dont mess, you know, will between russia and ukraine, the eve of 2 per year crane in for very, the russian is a very nice. So thats kind of why ive encountered, and i dont think its that anything is going to get thats or any time soon. But then of course you do have that 10 percent which see the reality of whats going on. Have you been able to change anybodys mind . Do you think it will be able to change anybodys mind as cognitive dissonance . So absolutely, no, i can think of one example was minus to change anyones mind on the if any think you saw showing them facts. The slide show and then videos, they go in complete denial. And if anything gas, she probably hobbins the original opinion on being per ukrainian and nancy russia. So now ive not been able to change anyones mind. So then anyone this kind of a political and they still kind of side with the for ukrainian calls because of what they see on the tv in the newspapers. But as i said, there is at 10 percent like me, which see whats going on. See the, the evil of Demonic Forces that play in the west. And, you know, as a result, they do support russia, but very few and far between. Because if you, if you actively and openly support russia in, in the west and britson, you can lose your job. You know. And then of course, youve also got a journalist, british journalist, when, as i said, were for what happened in this happen to the new grade. They simply told the truth, they have the houses sees bank account sees accused of being preapproved in stages. So you cant win. You know, that make it live very uncomfortable. If you side with russia or you at least try and expose the truth of whats going on, theres also the, the u. K 4. And listen to that. Theres been talk for several of the british politicians about using that to arrest here of the out to say of as, as far as well. I think it was uh the, the, the colonel co richard cam. Right. And i spoke about that in the press. I mean, the one thing i would say to him directly is, i think he needs to worry about the will crime. So hes committed in iraq and afghanistan rather than trying to get on my case about the situation. But in terms of that for, and at least when acts, my understanding is, if i go abroad and then join the army of a nation at war against a peaceful nation, the crane, which we all know is a load of rubbish. Not technically makes me a terrorist and thats like, the technically makes me a little criminal. So if i were to go back home, im under no illusion id, id be arrested not face a long time in jail for now when you came over here. Oh, what kind of attitude did you run into what people see somebody coming from the u. K. During the russian side in russian . I think uh originally, especially when uh, for instance, when i went to ship. Um, a recruitment sense i, one of the offices will ask that me when i purchased my uh, brace passport and it wasnt, you know, i dont mean life is in. He was laughing at me one into 5, a rush. I think he just couldnt believe or comprehend in his mind that someone from britson have come over to fight for them. And so i think uh, in some ways is almost like a circus attraction. But then when they realize serious and the actually online, nasa, the reasons the russians are fight him. I think he, the there is respect that i dont think i havent met too much. Maybe a little bit of suspicion because of the british nationality, but then quite quickly, once you get to know these people and they get to know you and they know you left for the right reasons, the russians are the most welcoming and hot woman people. There is, you know, especially in the media comrades, you know, im a separate russian engineer. So 90 percent of the work we do is read instructional conjunction with that, that theres 10 percent of us being on the, on the front lines kremlin. I have in one, i remember when we originally go to cramming aia in the back of the cameras and you can able to buttons going on for the auxilary and, and that was quite hairy because that was the 1st. That was the 2nd time. Well, you know, you sometimes you question the most highly because of the problems are going off and these are tailored shells going off for a minute. Then then not far. You can feel the vibrations go free about a free a chest. And sometimes you can leave you breathless. But the, the one time which was very space. Scary im, im, im not gonna lie. I wont use it. As i said, im just a simple civilian was the 1st and the 2nd light, the i go into the dumbass account came on to fire and we had to evacuate that. Thats how close they were. So those situations make you question your own mortality, you know, sometimes will tell us if there was one p less than that, you could take away from your experience since youve gotten what would add one pos and be the most difficult question. Sort of up with you on the spot i, i, i dont know if its, if its the lesson per se, but is finally been able to stand on my own c, c, and be independent thinking impacts and wise in terms of, of im able to forge my own path in life, which in the u. K. I never felt i could as language when a barrier for you. Uh, coming from obviously is a, uh most i speak only english. They dont the learn a secondary language. Is that much. Uh, we did the speak russian when you got here or hows devolution been . Uh, as far as communication my, my russian is, is very small. I know trying to learn the language. I just find it very hard. Sartain, in my head is an ongoing process. I wish that i could be faster learning the language, but we kind of make it work is, is sometimes it can be challenging initially it was but then of course you find a way so it was pigeon english pigeon, russian sign language, you kind of things they work out quite quickly and then of course, he will spending all this time with you. Call me as you can find the common language, there is one thing you could have changed in this whole trip. This whole process that youve gone through would have been i dont think theres anything i would change simply because that it would, over my experience, you know, i havent had many negative experiences here. Is maybe, maybe the one thing that i could change is theres been times where the it can be little late, you know, especially with a language barrier. Naturally, you may be excluded from half the conversation with people generally if you dont speak rushing to, thats maybe the negative experience, but maybe that as well as you know, you miss you missed home comforts, you know, friends, family, thats probably the only thing thats really both of the times, you know, now its no secret that ukraine is in retreat and then were moving forward up and down the front and you cranes desperately trying to move lice people and get more people the front lines. Do you think of the, at some point, nato nato troops are going to come in and fight for your grain . Well, i think its pretty clear the now troops already the, the term sheet that comes to mind. You know, when that pulled out of the me, with the intelligence and over. So if theyre of a cool, theres pros, both of my ability for them. But as, as you well know as well, the journal as well. No. This tens of thousands oppose. You probably got thousands of americans for the hundreds of british, and then of course you use go over the train as an instructor was able to, under the guise of, of, of training. So that already the but if you focus on the unofficial war what i will, i dont think you would have to. And i think i see in the next proxy would probably be poland. So i think if youre going to have an issue with, with nato i, i, i think they would use pola next rather than going head to head with russia because they couldnt win. What do you have to say for any other guys that are thinking about coming over 5 for that you create inside simply open your eyes for one of the evidences there. If you want to see it. I mean, if you want to go fi, fi, crating, and then theyve gone home in a wooden box based on, well, theres an audiology, so i would uh recommend, they wouldnt do such a thing, but of course theyve got their own minds and theyre going to do what theyre going to do, but what, what have you noticed over the last couple months as far as and being on the ground moving uh, with the front lines with the conditions and moving forward. As far as i can see, in terms of other than the, the one incident that i told you about where we had to evacuate the kind of boughs that was early as a temporarily temporarily. And then of course the russians and pushed back. So now and again, you might get a tactical withdrawal for a few kilometers, but thats if thats considered a victory for ukrainians. And then afterwards they lose that ground anyway. Then then, you know, they, they really need some help. But no, i dont see any of the pool. I see is victory. You know, thats a areas where weve been. And then of course ahead of us, the front line troops of completely obliterated the ukrainians where they have to withdrawal. And then of course, what happens then is as engineer as we go forward to make camps and well have you. So my, my understanding, my, and my experience is the i the, i see nothing but ukrainians getting push back, considering the possibility that you have to fight nato troops. What do you use your stance on that . Are you prepared to meet that kind of a challenge, or do you have any reservations . No, none of cool say its any kind of fight and whether youre putting your life at risk is, is he makes you apprehensive in some ways, especially when you that but you know, this, this idea of the nato troops and this some kind of secret weapon is going to turn inside of the war, they could all get involved at this point in the mess. So im going to wind their own Russian Stores that must i simply why they was when. But find my fellow Countryman Press say, if i were to come up against the i wouldnt hesitate and i know that sounds again. The word traits are for me, comes to mind when people have me save up. But of course, im fighting for a cause is audiology for me. So whatever they want me to do, im going to do. So my 1st ability. So no, im not ready. Im. It doesnt really bother me if, if i come up against nato troops, per se, is a, and i sounds kind of cut. So i was kind of blog a like, im not above it is like i more the head of fights in the war. It makes no difference whether its a ukrainian flag or nato flagging. Right . Understand . Well, as far as your family, do you think youre gonna any little comfortable going to see you here . Are you gonna be able to see them again . Well for they want to see you ive come since ive come to terms of the fact that and all my friends, im never going to see again, you know, i cant go home to any funerals or whether as a policy. So, you know, my childrens birthdays. I think as my children get older, they probably would come on see me in, in russia. And some of my family have said that they want to come and see me in russia. But then of course, saying it and she doing, it seems different methods. So i dont know as far as im concerned, amiga, russia, and im finding new life and it is kind of like id accepted the idea of were ready that maybe that might not happen. So i might not get to see my friends or family again. And so the british for us labeled you as, as a traitor, as we said before, and they said that your family to sonya what do you say to that is how much of that is true . How much of that is a yellow journalism is i call it as well. It is, is partly true, but its, its not any information that theyve claimed ive been pretty open with that on my say for me to is in terms of um, my, my journey. So to speak, and half of my family have this, i me some of my friends of the so me they would speak to me. And the simple reason for that is that not really political people, they sit down in front of the tv after holidays work, eating the dinner. And they see the news and they kind of believe what they see on that, which is, you know, most people in most countries thats kind of the case. You know, so theyve kind of, um, took offense to me coming over here on the list which, which family members and you know, which um, which people did it is the have to show me. But yeah, i would say if i ask them if im gonna have to, so me for coming over to russia the, the most painful aspect of it is i now i dont see my children as a result. You know, right. I understand the day know that you were coming over or is it a surprise . It was just the fact of it was a surprise. I mean, you probably maybe 2 people knew and they were like personal friends which still supposedly but no one else knew out to be kept some top secret. Because if it wasnt, and then i wouldnt get it out of the country cuz i was detained as it was when i was in london, apple under the terrorism act. But of course then there was no evidence that i was doing any wrong doing. So they had to release me cuz of course i was going to rush or on holiday, you know, so waste. So you are flying the rush on the holidays as far as i knew, and they detained you, or they are under the section 7 and say, or is of my to vote for like 34 hours. And then they let me go and i got my flight just in time. Is that something they do for everybody . Or is that something that no, you got booked out the crowd. They dont do that to everybody, but of course i dont know why they did it to me may. Maybe they were aware of my political lien. And so that, and thats basically the only thing that i can think of if they knew that i was pro russian. Then of course, i think that was probably the reason staples mainly or into the office. What do you do in while you go enough for these different questions that you were asking me, but again, no evidence of any wrong doing. So the answer, letting me get on the flight to, to come to russia. And thats why that would you, us, or you, because a single one does not, or the u. K. Is not officially a war with the russian. Any of us in any sense. And at the same time, you have the freedom to make your own decisions, to, to choose your own side. But you got pulled out because of your readings. I think, i think thats probably true. Of course, id imagine when it comes to the security services, any british citizen go into russia, that kind of is, its kind of going to come up on the system or why they go in that for some. Maybe you might get a little investigation into your name. I dont know why they did it, but of course if i was going to key of none of that, what happens . Price is quite how i run it. It is ironic. Is it a, uh, what do you say as far as the terrorism that the, the regime and key, if thats been the sponsor progress city, other terrorist attacks with a desk or on the, i mean this is a, you can see with, with the situation especially in moscow and then of course, that drove and attacks into russian territory. And then of course, probably in mocking places in belgrade cities, the last froze of a desperate regime. I think of course is disgusting because is innocent. People are getting murdered in names and or like all do i would like, or i can say really is i, i condemn the. And all thats gonna happen is that just going to get stronger response and its just going to end more quicker to be for. Now does any of the come out in the british press, the british people see anything associated with that, with the crock, a city, or with any of the bombings in belgrade or in the den . Yes, belgrade, and thats not really of it. And if they try and blame russia for doing it for bombing themselves, the, the, the, the attack in the, the attack in and most go was televised in the west. But of course my, my understanding from people back home is that it was, is i make a terrorist that did it. And of course ukraine had played no part. And i suppose in a way, even though i know these things, the west side of loans is like sometimes that theyre in your head. You know, so i, i come to russian. I think actually of what they said. This is not true. But if anything comes to completely opposite, its not only not sure as completely fake, completely falls on that. So fact, i feel free a, in russia than i do in the united kingdom, which may sound as odd to some people. But to me, thats my experience. You know, you know, and ive heard in my direction, ive heard of the other people that i know from the west that came over the usual accusation is youre being hoodwinked. Youre being pulled around what youre knows, youre not seeing the real truth. What would you say that these people to read in newspapers and watching tv . Im living there, you know thats, thats the difference. You know, i can be very abrasive at times. You know, so if, if theres things that i see that im not happy with, ill say i dont have those experiences with offices and combine, does a few incidences where i was unhappy, i spoke to them approach them and they resolved that instantly. So i dont know being hood, wait a few little issues i did have which is minor issues. Its probably not even relevant to the conversation. But my point being is i was able to remedy these situations quite quickly. Being hoodwinked, being on some so i mean, you know, i dont know what to say to that is this complete rubbish. Like if i was being, if i was being rude waiting to be doing these interviews . No, great. Im pretty sure if id be press gang to the front and nobody was speaking to me. No, i. This is what are they going to say here, eva . I come to rush out to fight for them. Best buy are in a drug addicts. Im an alcohol. They come to criminal, you know, this is, this is what they do when it goes when that doesnt work and people can see that thats not working. They then start with this nonsense, like im being hood weights and the next in the papers bill prints in stage 2 things which you know they, they still have not already anyway. So if theres anything youd like to tell us anything more before we end the interview, anything but any message that you want to give to your family, anybody else is going to be listening to this . Watching you mainly to the bridge people, thats a full inquiry and on the government, the support ukraine is. Is the last calls, the loan is a law schools x a is is the wrong cause. You know, youre going over that youll hear murder and people, people bridge soldiers which ago know vanessa of and then the, i dont know what reasons they may go for doing that. But my, my imagination would, i imagine that it would be money. And the fact that probably psychopaths and they like the idea of go in to, to final. So what they need to do is lay down that guns because theyve only a problem. They will no quarrel with russia out. Theres no reason for those to fight for ukraine. You know, the fascist regime, which openly simple band our and if they know, believe me, the people back home, i mean in terms of maybe watching this or read in the newspapers or whatever. You know, for a quick Google Search will show you the specially is about an error and i will show you the ukraine, you know, they have a National Holiday after button. There are no just bond arrows. So the of a fascist that with members of the organization of ukrainian nationally. So i think it was cool. There you and so yeah, theres no quarrel. So i, i, you know, i want the bridge of soldiers to put their guns file go back home. Id like to thank you. Thank you for your time and for your honesty and openness and for the audience, i think the audience a really, really appreciated which you have to say. Thank you. Well, i appreciate the opportunity. Thank you again the the, the, what is part of the, the employee would post isnt the, the 1st 2 of us entered in the word or is it something deeper, more complex might be present good. Lets stop without pleases. Lets talk about it. Hello and welcome defrost of boulevard. Here we discussed some real in the this is a daily show. Its very different. Hi everybody. You know why its different . We called no punches. So look for a true from number one. How the o j Simpson Trial changed america to phone number 2 . Was it all about a vengeance trip . Item number 3 is race forever. 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