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Okay, thanks for watching the stream. The small part of the flight as administration pull back the long awaited asylum seeking process for refugees, migrants who are on the southern us border with us and mexico. So many refugee unlikely advocates how for that this with me a humane immigration policy that. Ringback show you the experience of ramaya rondon. Hes a venezuelan immigrant. This is what hes standing with right now. Im waiting for my daughter in law with my grand daughter, whom i havent seen since monday when we arrived. On monday we went to matamoros. They process me, but not them. Im waiting for them to come. I dont know how this is going to play out because they separate us. They separate us. And its sad because they dont let a grandfather be with his granddaughter. In this episode of the stream, we look at sort of a refugees of migrants on the us, mexico border. Well, as long as the head for that prospects of even getting into the United States. If you have thoughts and comments experiences, youtube is the place to be put a Comment Section right here, be part of our program today. Joining us for book rahman, good columbia, we have power of use that she is a Communication Strategies for. Welcome with dignity with us from the bronx, not Bell Hernandez to the data Deputy National political director for the American Civil Liberties union. And joining us from brooklyn, patrice lawrence, executive director of the adult to black network. It is really good to have you with us. So this idea of title 40 to my role in a nut shell, it was put in by the trump administration, basically to stop immigration because they said the cause it was a risk to americans. And then when the Top Administration left office bought in the most recent pay me still as part of 42. 00, but just this month that was lifted. And now whats happened by that . And now we have bidens asylum brand. So as you mentioned, title 42 was started or used by a Previous Administration as an excuse to ensure the people who are coming here seeking asylum can not do. So that was started under the Previous Administration. You mentioned that we expected that when title 40 to get listed, we expect that the asylum system to go back to normal. And what that means is we expect that everyone to be able to come to a ports, apply for asylum, and be able to make their case. That is just definitely not the case. Present invited, has created a new asylum band in which he limits most people from being able to apply for a silent and how quickly did it become bidens asylum, buying power because officially is called a stuck in function of your full pathways rule. Thats what its called officially. How long does it take . 3 codes bite is assign him. I mean, its been called lightens asylum band since the beginning. Um, you know, this was the proposed rule that he had to put in the federal register and had to open up for comment period. And during that time, working with dignity works with other partners. We have a 110 Partner Organizations in the campaign. And so we all Work Together and with groups outside of the campaign to drive Public Comment onto the federal register and we were able to 79 percent of the Public Comments that ended up being posted were pro asylum comments. So it was people saying, we need to save asylum, you cannot implement this rule. He ignored all of that and implemented the rule any way. So i think its safe to say this is bidens asylum down. This isnt right. You know a rule that the people want, patrice, i want to pay a video, a comment from our and who contributes to i show a little bit early on, and he talks about an app based doctor. We havent listened to him, then explain to our audience is at least luxury is hes our festival. The end of title 40 to means are returned to normal Immigration Law. And with that comes the universal right to apply for asylum. But even today, asylum remains under attack as the by did. Ministration has imposed a new regulation limiting asylum, the individuals who come through ports of entry and when an appointment via an app based lottery. The reality is that the vitamin ministration needs to be ensuring that more resources are going to are ports of entry and Congress Needs to step into without congressional action. Were going to continue to be in a situation where there are simply not enough resources to process the Asylum Seekers safely and humanely. Patrice help us out. Good. Go ahead. You know, the one uh addendum that id like to and shared is that we are not back to regular asylum policy at all with this new asylum band. And with this app that they have put in place, people do not have the universe. So right to apply for asylum and we were there actually, the 3 of us we went to re no sub, went to master morris. We were in matamoros. And then in brownsville, the day that title 42 supposedly had lifted like that next morning and people were not allowed to cross. It was like a goose, toe and leg though the board was extremely calm. Um and uh we were not seeing people able to cross, we actually came across a young couple and they had an appointment and they walked to the border to the gate and they were turned back and they were really frustrated and just dropped. You know, um, so were not back to normal. This app is racist. And i do not say that lightly. We were walking and talking to people who were in the camps and they told us they said look, its not recognizing my face how these are my, im looking at it, right. And im looking at it right now, some screenshots of it. And you look in, you sign up, it says i am a traveler, a broker, an aircraft operate citizen in general is just um, just a description to report my arrival report, my deposit, i hate logging onto new apps, but this one, it is incredibly detail, patrice. So let me paint a picture for you. Yeah. Like we are here. I am here on the east coast and so my wi fi is working pretty well and im able to have this conversation. Imagine folks were on their way up through mexico. A lot of those are on the south western border, right. Theyve got spotty wi fi if they can get any at all. Are they charging for it with no money . Where are they charging before . Where are they getting internet from . Where are they able to do this . Theyre in mexico, as they are literally trying to cross into the United States. And they cant even get to the gate like, you know, the enforcement that we saw, the Police Officers that we saw were before. You even got to the gates to get into the United States, right. So then youre asking them to fill out this app. It glitched. They showed us we um we have the error messages that people were getting repeatedly um, as they were trying and, and it was really frustrating for them. Poland maribel this side too. Yeah. I just want to add to that. Oh, probably the real pick up. Yeah. Okay. To know, i just want to add the um, what this creates is the situation for people seeking asylum where they are like okay, i cant afford food, i have no where to stay. But i need a cell phone, right . Like let, lets talk about that for the fact that people are fleeing their homes with just whatever they have on their backs. And you know, they get robbed along the way. Everything gets taken from them. And now they need to find a cell phone to be able to apply for asylum like this app. And the access issues it creates affects the most marginalized, the forest people for the ones that truly need help. So theres a lot of issues with the app. Yeah, im going to bring in just paperless voice before i go to my about. This is petra. She talks about trying to use the app and his experience as a could take a look youre seeing is that many people are having trouble using the cvt one application because it simply does not take their information, causing them frustration in desperation. At the same time as Border Patrol is that for handing people were seeing that barbara code is not complying with the National Standards to ensure that people are fed given water and ensure safety as theyre making the way into the us. Im trying to look out how these dispatches entitle 42, where you could just take the chances, see what might happen you might getting and might not get in maribel thoughts to. Right. I wanna say a few things. Lets start with the basics. Asylum is a legal right, both under us law and under International Law. Under both of us, an International Law people have the right to come to the United States and apply for asylum. That is a legal right. So that is what were violating. Lets just be clear with that. Number 2, let me just ask you, if your house was on fire, would you wait until you can make an appointment on an app to see if the Fire Department can come to your house . You what you want for your life when people are seeking asylum is because they are swing for their lives. They are either being persecuted or are afraid of persecution because of a specific characteristic that they have. So when people switch for their life, be oh wait, they dont wait on an app and now lets go to the other point. This app, it is glasses. Okay. So if i am somebody whos waiting for me, i live in, we met a lot of people. I can tell you the story of a mother that i met and met the models she was leaving and, and, and kept me in a small thing. The, the road was just the road. She was afraid that it was gonna read because when it rains, it gets money. There are portals she was leaving there with her 6 year old daughter. Her 6 year old daughter has been sick with the fever. I asked her, have you tried to make an appointment with the cbp one app . You know what she told me . She said on my way here, she was coming from wonder as my phone what sole and i dont have the money to my phone. And then after these have to find by phone, they need the money to be able to pay for data or get some internet. And even in the camps though, we saw that had internet provided internet, it was really hard. We saw many errors that said the network is not working. And then let me tell you another thing. This app is only translated into spanish and a huge increase. And even when somebody who speaks this language is using the app, the errors are in english. So people were using, yep. And then they came to us and say, what does this mean . I dont know what it means. I dont know what to do. Okay. And then the final example i would give, i saw one person who got an appointment, who got an email saying, you have an appointment. Now you have to go back to the app and verify. You have 23 hours go. So this person is trying to do so shes trying to go back to the up. She couldnt go back and yeah, she just couldnt. If she didnt do it in 23 hours, she goes back to 0 and back to every single day, going to a lottery to save their lives. That is a violation of us any through natural law. And i can tell you that the issue you, under the Previous Administration, we sued because this is legal. And so thats why were showing this administration, because if it was illegal, then it is still legal. Now it will be legal. Anytime anybody strength to implement it restriction to the right of of a tireless. So the semi yes, its not better then um, asylum under trump. Biting is nothing better. Hes taking a page straight out of trumps playbook, and he might not be using the racist dog whistles that you know, trying to use with his base. But he is limiting access to asylum and thats going to lead to more death at the us mexico border. And the people affected most by all of these policies are always going to be black and indigenous migrants, patricia and that is basically a straightforward fix. If his glitching fix it, if the people who are going to be off a phone, how else can they apply for sliding . Maybe just go back to the Old Fashioned pay for why patrice . Im not. Im not a genius, but i could walk out of the walk around me. Theres so many workers to this, not to mention like lets just be basic and remember that these people are you bed, right . Like and just remember i, you know, i like to think about it of, we should give these people the same rights that we give a mediocre white man from america. We think about it that way. Were good. Like, you know, they, we are, we are really good at creating laws for the people that we respect. And by and large, that is who we respect here in this country. Think about them that way and this would be solved easily. First of all, you wouldnt be giving them an app, so i have to fiddle through, can you imagine . Can you imagine giving people up to middle through and that error message that marybelle mentioned . I site a site with my own 2 eyes. The rest of the app was in another language and the error message was in english like you kept telling me that they dont know that this is happening because they absolutely do. The brighten administration has been told and they continue to roll out. Things that they know are not beneficial to migrant, especially black, my goods. I cant stress that enough. You know, we saw what it looks like. Weve been to shelters and on the inside of this filters are white passing, or white migrants around the outside of the shelters where black migrates. We did a know youre right. Question the back of a truck and literally like its, its a clear us thing as they, we turn into a freight. We used to smoke inquiry all we turn to the back. We spoke in spanish. Okay. So then i learned to announce a picture and into it to illustrate what you will see, ive got it on my laptop. So yep, what are we seeing here . Are we seeing haitian migrants here . These are haitian margaret. Theyre haitian migrates. For the most part of the right. So this was when we went with a delegation head by patient Bridge Alliance to this was actually an reynosa in mexico. I took this picture with my phone. I was sitting in the truck. So, you know, like youve got a, a pick up truck i was in the back of a pickup truck and palos there. So was maribel. And we had a microphone that we were giving people their rights, letting them know about the changing rules. They also had microphones asking us questions. The black folks, if you notice, are outside the gate and the shelter wherever you were, where, where the other migrants were. And of course you have like a Spanish Speaking migrants. But in this particular case, it was mostly non black. Spanish speaking migrants who were allowed the safe shelter within that gate and the black migrants who were outside on the street. All right, so nothing seems to be changing. Let me take you inside one of the shelters, how people are living as they are waiting for the appointment to turn off on the app if its works. Okay, so theyre in this situation. Paula bryant is executive director of Amnesty International us a. He takes us to a michael in to Asylum Seekers shelter, so we can see the conditions that people are waiting in. Lets have a look is where here in center, which is a shelter that has being basically built by the mike and population themselves with the support of the haitian Bridge Alliance and other amazing partners. I just want to show you how well put together this settlement is. And i want to tell you the most important part of the shelter is that was because outside the wall, which is provided some space of the century and refuge is a world of incredible risk for everybody. So is forced to be there and that is for the United States is sending back refugees that is no longer accepts as asylum applicants. So this is not, is literally where we were. Yeah. And right outside of the all that is pointing to yeah, thats where the black migrants, the haitian migrants are forced to say, tell me what its like. Tell us what its like that. Probably start what its like to list as well, in this particular, this was a shelter, and so it was in better condition than a lot of the other places we visited by. We visited some encampments where most of the black migrants live and it literally is youre like out in the woods, you know, out in a wooded area. Its not developed. And people are just, you know, on top of each other intends. And theyre sitting around all they just waiting for their chance to apply for asylum on this app. There. Literally we have pictures of people huddled around, you know, one charger, one serge strip where everybody can connect their phone. And when people like felicia from the sidewalk school, when they show up with the star link internet on top of their car towel, everybody get access. Everybody runs to that to try to get access. But essentially theyre living and really devastating conditions. The kinds of conditions that, you know, we get upset about here in the United States when were like, why are people experiencing homelessness . Its, its an encampment. People, families, children are leaving intense. Theyre having to burst through their garbage because the city is not picking it up. Theyre having, you know, color uh they have, there hasnt been a full color outbreak of yet. But they have one case and its because they havent opened the application problem. They have port a potties that they can, they dont have the money to clear. So the board is having to go out in the woods. Um, you know, to do their business as a whole safer to do your business out in the open words than to do it in a port, a potty at night. Right. So. So these are the conditions that people are people that are fleeing for their lives are then in these conditions that create a lot more stress and then trying to apply for asylum on an app that doesnt work is just like stress on top of the stress on top of the stress, we are compounding their trauma and really i think said it is people to fail when they put in and you have a point. If i, if i may, mabel in our bring it right back. You. But 2 of the people that we reached out to be part of the show, talk to us about us Foreign Policy and how us fun policy is resulting in my grants and refugees and Asylum Seekers. Ask you to come into the United States. How does that look, have a list and have a look at humane immigration policy . First has to include serious re thinking of us Foreign Policy as it relates to the root cause and supplement ration. We need to acknowledge that its been decades of stay, or economic and military policies toward other countries that have actually contributed to the spiraling poverty and violence from which people are fleeing under the reagan era, for example, the us finance dudley military dictatorships in order to secure protect a specific economic model which led to forest masters placement from the region. Today, the iron harris plan for Central America does not shift on these priorities. Leading to similar consequences of migration nato. This is what i want to tell you. Few things, my husband is from honduras, so i know exactly what its like. I think hes got plenty of his family members killed. So i know that when we say people are afraid to go back to their home countries or people are fleeing persecution. People are fleeing violence. That is not a hypothetical. That is a reality. Number one, number 2, we are responsible not only for the conditions that are making people see their countries, but also the conditions that are, that people are being kept in across the, the mexican, we werent bored at right. So it is our responsibility why people are leaving in tents. So the, the 1st the send, the shelter that you showed where paul was there. That was the best filter that we saw. But most of the shelters are not like that. Most of the shelters are really just a tent if you have one, and if not, its one of those black trash bags that we use here in the United States. But our back, thats what people are using to show through themselves and their families. You have small children there and we are comfortable for that because those people, what they should, what should be happening is they shouldnt be allowed to come to the United States and present their case in front of the, of the system. Right. And thats not what were doing, so by us telling them not to come here. We are responsible for that. Thats because there are thats happening across the border. We are responsible for the kidnappings of torture thats happening because many of the people that i spoke to, many of them have had one is with organized crime. That is a reality that is their day to day life. So not only do they run for their life from the country, they are not trying to sleep their lives where they are being stuck because they have nowhere else to go. And when you have family, when you have children, you know, one of the Legal Service providers has here with us. There are women who have been raped again and again, right now in mexico who are trying to come seek asylum at the border and theyre not being that in. So thats another thing thats really important. This administration will tell you, oh, there are exceptions. You know, if you, if you have some really extreme, because were going to let you in so that you can present or use asylum case. That is not what we saw. That is not what were seeing. Were seeing people even a mix stream circumstances being turned back in. We are seeing the collaboration between the Us Government and the mexican government. Patrice, i was the patricia, if im out of the audience that are reacting to what youre saying. So im going to put some of the thoughts to you and please just one sentence response to each of these. If you dont mind pace email or an app is not the also patrice joe response. No, it is. Absolutely is not. I mean, a face to face is the answer. Another phone here, customs Border Patrol. The offer is for them to do that job and process people at the port of entry. Is that possible . Patrice again, one sentence officer, 100 percent. It is all right. This was a little trickier mixing refugees and migrants, puts refugees in a hall this situation more challenging situation. Maribel control, one sense, as answer to that is the eclipse. I have to tell you that who is an immigrant a, who is a migrant . Its a very difficult thing to, to, to determine it. So thats why people need to be able to make their case because Immigration Law and my phone law are quite complicated. So we cant tell from just the face of it. This person is this and this person is that thats what we have a system. We are getting so many people paula. We got into the conditions that seeing the migrants remedies Asylum Seekers, all living in what would be a more she main immigration policy . Wouldnt of a say not say yet for the United States, what could be done very well. So theres a lot that could be done better. Um, 1st of all, in the campaign we have, i mentioned over a 100 organizations Partner Organizations that work in various area legal, you know, providing a research all kinds of things. And they put together a lot of recommendations for the white house of how to approach our asylum system works. Mainly. We have that on our website, we send it to the white house they have chosen to ignore it. But the specifically, i can see right now if we shifted some of our money from the militarization of our border enforcement detention if we change some of that and focused instead on processing and welcoming people seeking safety that would alleviate some of the problems. And thats an easy like fix, but again, the administration and Previous Administrations have no reason to ignore that. I feel like a power that i should just send to you and my about. 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