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This is the same. Program 5 wires are joined by the B.B.C. s local radio stations across the u.k. . Radio Listeners Iraq shot. The rescue efforts continue after Mexico s powerful quite an install to Mark Sampson has been sacked as England manager of the 5 live Web site the final pod cast of beyond reasonable doubt. This is b.b.c. . I was b.b.c. News Years Liam sadly rescue teams and volunteers in Mexico are continuing to search for survivors in the rubble of dozens of buildings that collapsed in Tuesday s choose days earthquake at least 225 people and they have been killed across the country including more than 20 children at a school in Mexico City our correspondent Aleem Maqbool is named by having to whisper we re being asked to keep quiet just in case there are any cries of many people who are trapped inside that school the children we know about 20 are still missing their families are having an agonizing wait here we have heard that one girl has been found alive they are managing to give her water they re managing to give her food but at the moment they are still trying to rescue her the entire Caribbean island of Puerto Rico is without power after being hit by Hurricane Maria aerial photographs show flattened buildings and fallen trees will grant is in the capital some were treating her coffee nearby to where we were feeding cattle right down the wires and let your cable down it s very very clear this is going to be an extremely powerful storm bringing with it a lot of rainfall and very heavy heavy when a group of Ryanair pilots has rejected part of the company s. Helped reduce cancellations in the coming weeks they have been offered a cash bonus to work extra days after the airline was forced to cancel 2000 flights over the next 6 weeks the government s considering a new offensive causing death by careless or dangerous cycling the review was announced just days after a cyclist was jailed for 18 months for killing a woman with a bike that had no front brakes Britain France and Italy have a big technology companies to do more to act fast to remove terrorist propaganda from the Internet through the French and Italian leaders have been meeting senior figures from a number of firms including Facebook Google Microsoft Monica bigot from Facebook says removing extremist content isn t straightforward I do think that we will get better at using technology to do this but at the same time I really want to convey that a lot of this is going to textual if we had a rule where we said every time there is an ISIS 5 we take it down we would be removing a lot of journalists contents and counter extremist content and we don t want to do that people wanting to give up smoking or being officially advised to trying a cigarette despite a lack of evidence about their long term affects Public Health England is including a cigs in its annual stop Tobar campaign this year for the 1st time in the u.k. Scientists have altered the d.n.a. Of human embryos the research using a technique known as Gene editing was performed at the Francis Crick Institute in London the top scientists say it might eventually lead to improved I.V. s treatments or help explain why some women miscarry Dr Kathy 9 counties from the institute this is basic research that s providing us with a foundation of knowledge about early human development within this 1st 7 day window and our hope is that this information can be used as a basis to build further understanding about underlying causes of infertility Let s get the support now with Tom the football associations chief executive Martin Glenn says he feels very positive with the way the governing body. Has handled mark some since dismissal as England manager the f.a. Of Sac Samson juice the actions they consider incompatible with the standards they expect Manchester United are through to the 4th round of the a.f.l. Cup But Jos a merino believes English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was removed holders United travel to swans in the 4th round a full list of all ties is available on the b.b.c. Sport website and app. Chris Froome is out a bronze in the world championship time trial to his historic toward affronts and while to respond you double England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal that the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international later today join our Test Match Special Team from 1215 and despite breaking his leg in 2 places 3 weeks ago 9 time moto g.p. 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He wouldn t stay off the noon in New York when Prime Minister to resign me finally took the podium and diplomacies greatest debating chamber the General Assembly of the United Nations she d been delayed by the wind in a supreme to speakers and many of the assembled diplomats plainly had better things to do them listen to Britain s leader she hailed the people of Manchester in London for their resilience during and after the terror attack adding a demand that the giant Internet portals should do more to stop would be bomb makers getting help North Korea s Kim and Syria s Assad were condemned but not us Rocket Man and then it was off to see the author of that phrase to talk about trade brings. Well determined and desperate searches for survivors are continuing in Mexico where over 200 people are now known to have died in the quake that hit the country yesterday at least 21 children and 5 adults died in one school which collapsed in Mexico City dozens of buildings collapsed including several churches where worshipers were killed including one on the side of the mountain proper Cata petal the tram are stuck shortly after many people had taken part in an athlete trail which marked 32 years to the day since the earthquake that killed 10000 in 1905 Zoe lives in Mexico and was lucky to escape with a life yesterday she was in her apartment when the earthquake hit as soon as the quake started. Well I I kind of kind of think that was not a building or not because the couple on the couple. There was quite say if I had the benefit by focusing. My little help I think I might have this call I was the apartment. With on the side but. Really difficult because everything is obviously swaying sale so much as it was a matter of writing for the trees trying to get down the stairs. That I bicycled to the lobby with another girl that was on the stage as we say just for the front door of the building collapsed in front of us tapas inside. Luckily the lobby to collapse itself. Until I think afterwards kind of trying to get out there is what is there in darkness and realize I wasn t exactly taking a nap and I just kind of thought maybe the balcony fall of the building will something but anyway we managed to get out thankfully and it was really really after alland saw the whole building collapse the complete comic. Books in a whole like. A matter of a minute is quite shocking it wasn t a list of people I prefer in the building I put the a lot of the children today and he was there helping the rest and as he was as I thought people out there building things like the middle of the 5 missing stealth. Which I assumed because a little girl that was going down the stairway in. The building. Carries. Feeling very fortunate and just a blast to have some support around. A lot or John or from Mexico City reports on a talk show Pitzi Hello Natasha. We want to know you were at the primary school today the Repsol school can you tell us what it was like. Just say you can tell it you know thirty s really made an effort to try and get control of the situation and cordoned off and they were even keeping press and many of the volunteers trying to help quite a distance but there was still quite the wrong people some of them were collecting food and water said 1st aid supplies are standing by to see if they could go and help people at the rubble away. There was hundreds of people coming in from the me because and so on so they really tried to limit it to the most. And as professional as rescue as it could and the good news come out of that seeming and local time is that there are 4. Children and teenagers identified alive and the rubble kindly searching for Among those is very young to local press are saying is 7 year old and that she s actually managing to communicate with the rescuers about that she s still under the rubble but and one of the things that the volunteers the rescuers keep asking for is complete silence and from the hundreds of people standing by to see if they can hey where the children and teenagers to every so often and people are trying to hold up they re going to silent and there would be this outfit develop over $100.00 people standing and staring with bated breath to see if there s any new they manage to get any of those kids out and. A couple of kids actually rescued from the building yes and I don t have the exact number but I know that a number have been pulled out and some with injuries. As the 5th and so many more and that that was very because the building collapsed when many students were inside and the teachers were inside too and obviously as rubble but could you tell what kind of a building it. So glad they don t just lost to think what your teacher can we couldn t actually see the building and just stop where would just be from our standing from places I could see that it was several Hills High and the neighbors who lived that he would walk by every day said it was quiet and nice you build a school and that the kids were well behaved the teachers are quite nice come and may be described as a nice quiet middle class school and were completely shocked but just tended to debris in a matter of minutes and then it. Just pancaked us as some of these buildings said the number I ve had for the number of collapsed buildings this is far too big buildings is that right in the capital. Yes. It s one of the things I think is not being talked about and that s going to change that figure is that there are some buildings that didn t collapse in the quake but I think deemed too unsafe for anyone to go back into and a liable to flatten any moment and I know a lot of people who to contact in that building the building technically still standing so I m sure that us again will continue to rise but hopefully those buildings what having more people in them when they do collapse or that go that demolished even animal organized way over the coming days and I m not out of those right in front of me and the Can Do you really what s what is it did I Well it s a resident This is the bizarre nature of this quake that on my side of the street in my sort of leafy in the deposit made everything thing legal I m looking across the road the building in front of me evacuated you could see balcony below the last I 10 as people obviously just fled less than 80 feet and just you know gravitated got out I No one staring back in that area because night evening I m Eastern looking everything I own the shop and it s pitch black and as far as commandos. This course going to take a long time to to work out and one sort or another trying are today as well not that I felt I could be seen any I don t have a job so you know I said I d seen one report of a child but I think sometimes people can make a family up you know or they can imagine well I. Feel like I ve made up about 50 today I m 5 when I was walking down the street just how tonic and started asking people around me as if we d had an aftershock and they tried to reassure me that it was just a lorry carried by people who are very on edge they want to know and I want lost a man once and then and I was a kid so you know I ve got everyone is going around fearing off the shelf because it can be very strong and of course they can be getting financial buildings very very precarious state now because again which last quake so I know that I ve been a number of very light ones that none that we felt yet another city deplane it. Doesn t happen. Well well listen. I hope everything is as good for you thank you very much Natasha for talking to us tonight thank you so much a little bit later on we ll talk to the spokesman for the Mexican Red Cross who are doing so much good work around the country. Well the prime minister told the United Nations General Assembly that Britain could withhold up to 30 percent of its funding unless the u.n. Carries out reforms those reforms would be some of the say once that Mr Trump was talking about the other day the u.k. Pays in about 83000000 pounds a year as well as 272000000 for peacekeeping but 1st of all another of the topics of this year s assembly is the plight of their attention in Bangladesh followers Nice to meet from Unicef that about 60 percent of revenge are entering Bangladesh right now who ve come across to escape from the depredations of the Myanmar army are children many without their parents health or Nick Schmidt is the former prime minister of Denmark and the no Save the Children internationals chief executive spoke to me from the un where she is trying to highlight the issue I asked telethon excitement how many children are actually coming across the border between me and Maher in Bangladesh Well what we re seeing is that since all this when these these ticcing broke out we have seen about 2 are consistent 1000 children who have crossed the border and who need our help and what we estimate seeing is actually even worse because recent than we might be also 600000 children who have to cross the border some of them are accompanied minus We have Council 1100100 by now not going to be have been able to or to help these children by helping the into Safe Spaces and that Save the Children run in the camps in Bangladesh and so many of these children we have managed to get a hold of their relatives find relatives for these children so they can be in safety because it goes without saying and one knows this that these are some of the most vulnerable people on they have no one to look after them and that means that they can be preyed soon people who want to traffic them. Hughson is slavery all sex rehab abuse and if we don t get hold of these children and look after them and so we can find Leonard says this is very like. The approach of dos uchi in Myanmar seems to be well it s very complicated you don t understand our internal politics have you save the children actually tried reaching out to her about our humanitarian situation given that she is a great humanitarian. Yes I have myself written to answer she I ve met her a few years ago when I was prime minister written so it s said to be part of the solution here the problem is right now the economy actually get access to the areas of the rockin state where these events of 2nd place and what we have to go by are the eye witnesses the children that we are asked when they cross the border into Bangladesh and the stories these children attending their home Ventus we spoke to a 10 year old boy who talks about children being shot at when they tried to cross the border to pallet this spoke a little girl who says that she had to see her burning home and leave her mother that because she was too ill to come with her so these are the experiences these children come with and this is should never happen to anyone and least of all of course so it s children so we hear about horrific stories on the ground in Iraq in state but neither Save the Children or any other agencies not even the u.n. Have got access there and of course that makes us even more worried and more suspicious about what s going on in there of course and a 100 you deal with them once they ve landed in Bangladesh and supposing that they don t have a family member or somebody where do the goal what do they do well we try to identify the unaccompanied children because yes at the extremely vulnerable these are children whose parents were killed or they became separated from their parents and everyone knows that they are streamed risk of exploitation abused chip trafficking and Save the Children is committed to helping these children on the ground and luckily we are actually in the refugee camp where these children are arriving not many organizations are there but say that she ll be are there what we do we set up safe spaces fall for children we set them up in camps that are for children and they where they of course receive 24 hour support we also try to. Help them with the mental wounds that they have so they can heal as fast as possible and what we try of course is to is to find family members who are alive and close to them either in the camps or elsewhere and luckily we have actually been able to spot so Fox a place most of the unaccompanied children we have placed in with their ballots if so that s a very very good story of course it wouldn t happen if the Save the Children on the ground in the camp we re talking on a day that Save the Children s just issued a report into the number of refugee children are around the world who are not getting any education and you talk about safe space I think that s one of Save the Children s big planks in that school is a safe space for a child that s a place where they can try to recover from all the terrible things that they ve seen. Yes School discuss a good for so many things it s good for learning of course for the education that these children so desperately want and need of spoken to so many refugee children and all they say is that they would just like in an education they sometimes I say this is all we are asking but of course as a school is also a safe place fall for girls who ve had has a constant risk of being harassed and abused it is often a safe space in terms of getting a meal so this is to send children to school is so good for us as for so many reasons but on foresee what we re seeing that even though that the world traumas these children that they would go into school very soon after they came to another country and came to a refugee camp is that the world is not delivering that promise and what we see now is that Hamas the world s refugee children of which there are 3 and a half 3 and a half 1000000 who are not in school half a refugee children are actually not attending school and. The way I feel we esteem these children s future twice 1st they had to flee their homes where everything was Familia and then we still refuse to once more when we deny them access to an education and therefore to a future where they can provide for themselves you say these promises are not new they ve been made before in a way the must be so depressing for you to go through conference after conference like the leaders summit on refugees or the the Syria conference in London last February and yet people commit and yet they don t follow through how can you make them follow through. I think if we talk about this the more we talk about this the more everyone will realize also. The public will realize how important this is and I think we all know that if we don t provide refugee children with an education for example all the Syrian children who are now ease a left back in Syria and Lebanon Turkey or Jordan who are taking so much responsibility if we don t provide them with an education we re not providing these children with the future what will they do when one day perhaps and hopefully they can go back to Syria and be part of building up their own country what can they do if none of them have been trained to be mechanical engineers so teaches doc says How can the build up their country and what we have recreated saying if we don t help these children education is a problem on our own doorstep and that is why I think the well will wake up soon to education as a need for refugee children because it s not only about the children of course it s mostly about them but it s also very much about providing them with the future so they can go back to the countries they come from and help build those countries Well let s turn to the General Assembly now because must have been a really rough week for you to be perfectly honest been not been a great week for liberals one way or another has it. No I take at the positive signs that the that are still here I still believe that in order to do something about all these problems that I m talking about. Against Children in Iraq in state in Myanmar education of the children we have to have a strong un that keeps working together to solve these issues together none of the problems that say that children are concerned about can be so without strong international institutions so I m still hoping that the un will survive as a strong international body because that s the only way we can tackle this in any of these issues that I m soaked. And how you feeling about American leadership. Well I was in the chamber yesterday when the president chum piece he spoke and of course you can have many different opinions about that this speech which I don t think I have time to go in so but one thing I m who I m hopeful hopeful of is that the American administration as such who continue to be a great force for good in the world I mean let s not forget that the u.s. Is still one of the biggest donor us in terms of development assistance to to the world they help every day with education and health millions of children across the world and I m just hoping that the alignment that have been between Democrats and Republicans say yes we ll carry on because in that way we the Americans can help save millions of children across the world and I hope to continue. Well I was hella thawing Schmidt talking to us from the United Nations New York now talking about the United Nations of course the prime minister was addressing the u.n. General Assembly and she too like President Trump before her was talking about the need to reform some of the u.n. Less responsive institutions talking about. The British generosity is 2nd only to the United States and funding the u.n. But saying that 30 percent of the money will only be paid to those parts of the u.n. That achieve sufficient results not entirely clear what that means but she warned there was a gap between what she called the u.n. Has an ability of purpose and the effectiveness of its delivery when the need for Malta not to action has never been greater the shortcomings of the u.n. And its institutions risk undermining the confidence of states as members and Jonas even more importantly they risk the confidence and faith of those who rely upon the blue helmets who rely upon that sign I stand in front of today coming to their aid in the darkest of hours. So we must begin by supporting the ambitious reform agenda that secretary general good had as is now leading to create a more agile transparent and joined up organization. Well the prime minister also devoted some of her speech to the recent terror attacks on British soil when terrorists struck land London and Manchester this year the world saw Ross cities come together in defiance our parliament cameras are already on a grandee came back to Manchester and sang again London Bridge is bustling with people our communities came together at the Finsbury Park Mosque in north London and Londoners got back on The Chew the terrorists did not win for we will never let anyone destroy our way of life. Well our promises focus and part of the speech was the tech firms the big Internet operators like Facebook and Google asking that they be even faster and more responsive I mean they got they got a bit of a Shoto saying that they have made significant progress on the issue of containing terrorism and of course terrorist recruitment but also saying that more could be done particularly suggesting that anything that is uploaded turns out to be terroristic in intension could be taken down in just 2 hours and Google already responded saying that firms couldn t do it alone and government and users need to help well what ever does this actually mean in practice Lima good as chief executive of Connect Safely dot org. Over there. Well it is this is a 2nd of a vague suggestion or as the British actually on to something here is there a possibility that their response times can be speeded up. Well 1st I think that the British government has been probably the foremost in the world in terms of putting pressure on social media companies prime minister may have not been shy and previous prime minister is likewise have been I think pretty aggressive in terms of the pressure they put on the companies and as as she pointed out generously in her talks the companies have made some progress but clearly nor needs to be made and whether or not you can do a 2 hour turnover that would be very very ambitious and I don t see how it could be done unless you had a very visual group of users who saw it and reported immediately and a very very robust and highly trained highly stained highly of vailable staff to to respond or and less he were to use some type of software perhaps artificial intelligence or other software to automatically identify and of course that s very tricky there is software that s currently being used to identify what we in the u.s. Call child to the graffiti but I think you call child abuse images over in the u.k. And that s been successful but those are images that are already known for example if somebody has posted a child abuse image and then someone reposed the same image software can identify that when it comes to terrorist material it may be a little trickier because these images or the content isn t going to be likely dentical in every case so you would have to develop very sophisticated software to ferret it out immediately and then pleaded of course there d be a very big possibility you would do police legitimate speech and that wouldn t be good either of course I mean previous attempts at censorship haven t always been successful have they I mean stuff gets taken down all the time from the art world because the machine mistakes us print or graffiti. Right in the word censorship if it s a good word I mean I guess it s Ok to censor illegal material but you re absolutely right in the case of artwork it s quite possible that a legal tasteful nude for example or even partially clothed image could be mistaken by print for productively in the case of terrorism a legitimate political comment I mean there s nothing that says that everybody in the world has to love each other and someone could be highly critical of a government or a people or even a religion and that isn t necessarily a danger for hateful it s just someone s opinion and I don t think that anybody wants to be censoring people s right to express themselves The other issue is sometimes people post images for the purpose of bringing attention to the problem so it could be a whistleblower or an agency that s trying to help eradicate terrorism that was the posting images that could be seen if terroristic and he wouldn t want those removed either. I m looking at the practical that was a story I think on c.b.s. News tonight that Imus and little shopping frequently bought you know if you bought this you might like that might be an aid to people trying to make bombs suggesting that if you buy ball bearings You might also like detonator caps or something of the sort I was sure hope the people who are thinking of it for illegal purposes wouldn t be doing that online but it is an order of they are doing it isn t it yes is the putting out of it but of course the same algorithm might be used to detect people who are engaged in terrorist a potential terrorist activity and thinking about the algorithm mention that Amazon uses or Netflix has to recommend media perhaps I could be used to see who is likely to be posting those kinds of illegal content dangerous content. As things stand at least the signals that the British are going to stay pretty much in the front of of this particular race Well I think so and I and I would help the United States would have well in other countries but I do take my hat off to the British for being vigilant sometimes annoyingly so I have to admit not so much on terrorism it s a time of year you guys go a little far but I think that that s probably Ok because it s for a very good purpose lie and again thanks very much indeed. My pleasure thank you. Chief executive of Connect Safely dot org And it s just after half past 1. O clock pm Eastern in Indiana this is b.b.c. 5 Live. Rescuers in central Mexico are continuing to search for survivors of Tuesday s earthquake more than 200 people have died in the country including 20 children at a school that collapsed in Mexico City 3 and a half 1000000 people are thought to be without power in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria knocked out the island supply the Caribbean is being hit by winds of around 150 miles per hour and ember of Ryanair pilots have rejected part of the company s plan to try and reduce the 2000 flights the airline is canceling over the next 6 weeks they have been offered a cash bonus to work extra days and the new offensive causing death by careless or dangerous driving is being considered by the government it s after a cyclist was jailed for 18 months for killing a woman while riding a bike that had no front brakes Tom Dale has the sport Mark Samson has been sacked as England women s manager following evidence of inappropriate and unacceptable behavior with female players whilst in charge of bristle Academy and 2014 when investigated at the time the Football Association concluded Samson did not pose a safeguarding risk however after revisiting the case f.a. Chief executive Martin Glenn decided there were issues with some scenes actions when I read the full report that just last week the issue became one of Mark s conduct and it s really around the boundaries between a player and a coach on reading that report I felt that what I saw was incompatible with the standards that we expect for someone to work at the f.a. So the issue is about his conduct the standards of the efforts to set former Sunderland player an editor she kicks magazine Jeno Neil believe Sampson isn t the only one who should be held accountable if you wish to be any where everybody believes that you know oh. I guess Luck s one of them in a sense as well this should have been investigated company from the outset there should be more openness and more honesty about this I guess that possibly other people of all Association should. E.f.l. Cup holders Manchester United have set up a 4th round saya way it s $10.00 with a $41.00 win over bit in Albion at Old Trafford How are they Josie Marina was told 5 Law School English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was scrapped because an official competition is important for Manchester United and for me as as a manager and I want to play is the same the same way if you ask me who does the English football survive or even be better without this competition maybe maybe we would be fresher for. European competitions for example but we have this competition we have to respect Manchester City Chelsea Arsenal an evident also through full details of all 4th round ties can be found on the b.b.c. Sport website and app defending Scottish Cup champion Celtic through to the semifinals after thrashing done before now and Christiania Rinaldo is written from a 5 much ban ended in defeat as realm of trade lost one nil It s home to rail Chris Froome Azadi to Will championship bronze in the time trial to go alongside this year s historic sort of France and well to a Spaniard double former will time trial champion Chris Boardman believes the medal helps cap an incredible year for the team skyride 3 weeks to be absolutely intensely involved event then take a very short break and then do it again for the Tour of Spain come out on top there not was a really challenging race and then to try and come back again for the World Championships it was an awful lot to ask of an athlete and it shows his ambition certainly but I think even just getting on the podium was a tremendous achievement a car hit his 8th century the county championship season for sorry against relegation rivals Somerset and the International Paralympic Committee President Andry Parsons says postponing the world championship power and swimming events is the raw. I think to do following the earthquake in Mexico City. Drama. The talking about it. I want to be kept secret just so everyone keeps telling me people will be talking if she wasn t talking about me everyone is talking about Dr Foster. This . Dr Foster watch the series so far on b.b.c. I Player across the u.k. This is b.b.c. 5. It shows. Us really sad tweets tonight about the effect of Hurrican Maria this one from the mayor of San Juan the capital of Puerto Rico saying the Puerto Rico and the sun one that we knew yesterday is no longer here and other other news from the site is that the whole of the Big Island still blacked out there s a curfew in place. As the tail of Hurrican Maria passes over someone out to or the Turks and Caicos Islands No with us from the Barbados where we re from Barbados where the British joint forces have made their headquarters because it was going to be relatively safe we re very happy to be joined by Army Brigadier John Rich Hello Brigadier Ridge Good evening Ross how you gave it very well and thank you so much for for coming to talk to us I know from yesterday that you were focused on Tortola in the b.v.i. . Is that still your focus of attention today. Well the 1st thing to say is that I think we were extremely lucky all the decisions of totally restring lucky he didn t strike British Virgin Islands as badly as we thought it might have done which was a huge really cool they suffered so badly during hurricane we were really concerned that if states seen the sorts of wins that we saw in some places on the quantity of rain that it would have caused some really really serious damage as it happened and the way the hurricanes just some places these appalling blows another one seemed to escape relatively unharmed as it happened the British Virgin Islands has not been too badly either were very strong winds or the loss of rain but the hospital and the past station which we re very concerned about as I understand it and also the flooding that did happen is receding more quickly than we thought it would so in terms of researching on the toll Taylor not as far as we expected but them you ve already made the point about cursory similar situation in the middle there as well which is very very badly. Given your responsibilities are you still going to be focusing on the rebuild and in Tortola which who are engaged in before Hurricane Maria came along we were indeed and we will continue to support the British Virgin Islands in terms of Dominica which is a sail mention just now we ve put in a few in a team today using one of our Chicago cop is a mix of the personnel from city which is a regional disaster management organization some personnel from the French national development and some military assessment as well so they are there is we re hoping to get another sign exactly how bad the. This is an area which didn t get too badly on the. Breaking just understand what can be done for that as well but you re right so we re going to go in we re going to start the reconstruction there is an awful lot of work still to do off. And on and even if it wasn t too badly this time around by by Maria I hear you mentioned already we re very concerned about her. Course the next set of Alan s from our perspective there in the spotlight so we re working together very quickly as we can after that again to do the assessment and to help the local governments sort out the damage has been done this I mean I m looking at a project to track the why a bond of the Harken still seems to going across the tarp or the eye is going to pass to the north Yes exactly and the problem you almost always look at is if you re in the art of the storm you pick up the worst of the waves but if you re on the sort of flanks of the storm you pick up the worst of the rain. Where you are on the table 30 Keiko s which is quite low lying the combination of heavy rain and storm surge is particularly worrying for us and we have the same concerns in the British Virgin Islands so crucially we need to do the assessment we ve got the teams hunkered down so we re all we left on military personnel there where they ve been working up to the very last minute with the local government to try and prepare as much as they possibly can and it s staggering what they believe who people have achieved in terms of recovery after the back of their cattle nothing card on what we can there with and hunker down we will hunker down and then as soon as the hurricane is passed over those teams we are up and ready I will fly forward additional 8 we ve got a barge coming in from the Dominican Republic so as soon as we can with them back up trying to do what we can to help them recover. And what about h.m.s. Ocean because that s still on its way across isn t it from the u k. It is yes. Translation will arrive broadly in the vicinity to preserve your knowledge on the 22nd of September that brings an enormous. Capability 9 helicopters full army Craft $200.00 sort of specialists humanitarian assistance last a really really treat to deploy from the shit so that brings a huge amount and on board you ve probably got about 60 tons of additional a particular shelter which is the thing that we need most of all which the local people need most of all of those areas socialize over 22nd effectively what we find is there is the smaller of broadly the same sort of track as the hurrican so that she can deliver some provide some assistance into the research knowledge and then follow up and take off the nice thing about a ship for the last minute the priorities change we can stare off to meet whatever the demands are in the area so it s not some sort of flexibility of having such enormous not a capability on a ship but we can take where it s needed most. Appreciate us after the fact but is there still do you think going to be an evacuation need of the good of the people who really do need to be taken off. We ve not seen your conference occupation what we have done whether a particularly vulnerable people and we ve got capacity on all aircraft we have on occasion helps people to get to places the safety for well I think so far most the vast majority are there and extremely resilient people they want to make sure they re looking after their homes they want to make sure they re doing as much as they can to repair the last time around so we ve not seen the requirement to move lots and lots of people off the islands. Well we just yesterday we had the Buzz Feed correspondent I know you know talking about the way that the Royal Marines who are hunkering died in Tortola waiting for whatever might come and think everybody just has great respect for them just just getting on with the job they re not it s it s terrific well and I am hugely proud of everyone on the task force I think the fact that a lot of these people write a very very short notice something some of them sort of 6 or 8 hours from being told you re going to being bored mounted and then flying forward into the Caribbean to start working and very very quickly after that deploying on typically the British Virgin Islands and the fact that they have been working extremely hard since then I mean every opportunity to do what they can for the local populations a working hand in glove now with the international developments in the form of our office but crucially doing all of this through the sort of local government structures on the various islands hugely proud of what they ve achieved and people turning their hands to jobs they never saw that someone thought and saw that while the engine is actually running the airports in the British Virgin Islands. Not is not sort of staying in line at all but happy to just throw their energies or whatever needs to be done well I don t know our friends who will listen to us on the F.B.I. s will be enormously proud to thank you very much Brigadier it s not a small. Raids on Ridge Joint Forces headquarters in Barbados and the West Indies Well let s take a look at the sports pages water leaf Here s how McKinley at the Daily Mirror is Manchester United. For the carabao Cup is a stroll through the big clubs and in the care of a couple of old League Cup last night Marcus Rushford scored twice actually. If you can see the really injured himself when he went a little We re told it s just a small mark and actually United have got so nothing to worry about that some people are now doing didn t give him anything to worry about so United won $41.00. And then Everton and Sunderland poor old Sunderland Yes everything needed this is simply something and 3 nil curious statistic from this one is that the Sunderland thing had more Everton appearance in their lineup than the Everton team did a few activity and start playing older players play for Sunderland obviously hasn t played a few youngsters and that included don t want to tell the loo in the schoolroom the under 20 World Cup winning goal we can spend as well or in the summer of course he scored twice for Everton and certainly look the pa looks like he s going to be a very good player in data problems for us and value on that one the 3 nil up and West Brom who are they facing. A tough sell off against in 4 months to see and d made a good fist of it at least from one Manchester City to Lee Ross and I scored twice much to city and Quadea was. Just as concerned with an injury to conduct on a course he s only just come back in the side after 9 months out he was he was filed by Yaakov and it looks. A bit dodgy for a while but said going to eventually went off and resigned staying. Injury isn t serious I ve seen it seen a reply back in the tackle was it was nothing really wasn t a really bad tackle actually wants Claudio to see that he was so angry about it I m pretty straightforward for Chelsea is a very straight forward Chelsea and I won they won 51 Arms nothing Forrest didn t want to come to so forest in the school to light on in fact it was the last kick again before forest managed to score and Chelsea stroll through anyone else yes Arsenal be done customer well no don t customize them my team work for Doncaster managed by the son of one of the last venues greatest rivals and now crazy straightens thoughts and hence the headline It s Venga one Ferguson mill Theo Walcott scoring the honey call frost of the draw was made after all the games and fully half spending time on the city s West Ham but. At least grab at Wembley for that one of the sleeping local rivals that the other gangs postal city versus Crystal Palace Swanzy the plum draw if you like a home to Manchester United Arsenal this is not much Chelsea because he said it s an Manchester City versus will last of us easily and Bournemouth this is Middlesbrough will get played the last week of October and talking about Arsenal they re still saying the cap it write him Starling Yes Yes The according to d a chief of the Russia junk Russia says make another move for him Sterling in January last thing is a big fan of Sterling of course and this could be a key the key to the long running saga about whether we want to Felix Sanchez going to Manchester City I ll still would like to think that I could make Sterling possibly the only sketch something to Sanchez but of course it s not just a city wave and the way they re playing at the moment you do wonder whether they even need a Lexus I m just if I wait until the summer sun just contract will be up and they want to have to offer a thing for him they ll just have to outbid and the other rivals possibly in manchester united possibly Chelsea possibly around the trade to outbid them in order to get Sanchez and us officials most of the players had feared the England women s coach sack Yes luck Samson has been fired by the f.a. For all behavior which has been branded and it probably isn t an acceptable not for the he was cleared twice accusations of bigotry and pulling bullying I think it s often he was clear tosspot Yes I said that but this recess to inappropriate behavior during his previous tenure with Bristol Academy the f.a. Are not being any more specific than that a lot of questions have been already being asked about the f.b.i. Why they didn t come out now when they have the reports and I have had the reports on that with them for a number of months. Rugby Union and some suggestion that everybody in the England camp is a happy knowing and the players union last I mean help is that the English rugby stars could go on strike. Even a Polaroid loss we have players could down tools if the season was length and. They are tipping that they would play more games and. Hopefully is that the fact that players are openly talking about this without any. Any input from them talking about it on their own accord proves that this is this not should be taken seriously and he says it sends a very clear message to every stakeholder in the game how seriously that taking it obviously trying to adjust to the revelation in English club under proposed England France play through a rest weekend to complete their 6 Nations campaign over 6 weeks rather than 7 friends have already rejected that idea obviously still someone who has an England camp. And Brian Reed as weekly column nice guys finish last yes he has basically saying it s right about his beloved livable and he s written about what everybody s wondering what Liverpool can do to get better I have that sense is renowned as not being too good when they clinching my place in fantastic football I just recently had a little fun and they the. Buzz has not changed as I let you know control has yet to enter Liverpool last year a side top to fair play league making them officially the cleanest team in the top flight which sum them up better than any t.v. Stars about your sole possession it said there it s a nice list of reasons that Liverpool need to get tougher at the top of players they need and he said conclusion at the end it is time to stop playing good clubs and stop playing bad club before the only award playing for is the wooden spoon spoon by hand after the nice guys. Alan McKinley at the Daily Mirror well. In the Boston Globe this morning there are rubbing our hands and Boston over the possibility of Armisen coming to the city the trouble is Amazon is looking for a 2nd headquarters and is looking just about everywhere his David l. The globe who David. Hi yeah you re right Rod This has become quite a contest and has a lot of people s attention here in Boston the Amazon the huge retail the retail giant is looking for a 2nd headquarters they they announced that a few weeks ago and gave everybody a month to sort of put their best bid in and Boston and Greater Boston is ready to play the game so we are covering that intensely and today we have a story in The Boston Globe saying that it sort of speculating a little bit about what this would do to the the tech job market in Greater Boston this this isn t just any old headquarters this would hire something on the order of 50000 people over the span of several years that s essentially the same number of jobs that are created in a good year at all Massachusetts. So the tech companies that are already here Boston of course is already quite a hub for that sort of thing would be great universities and what that around here but they re worried at least some of them that this would create a pretty intense competition all of a sudden your average start up or your midst even your mid-sized tech company would be going head to head in sort of job competition with the likes of Amazon that s one problem. Some are seeing an upside a year that this would a stablished Boston once and for all is sort of a tech center. Some of the old timers still meant the the fact that Mark Zuckerberg you know even though he invented Facebook here at the Harvard Harvard University went West to make his fortune so I mean we still haven t gotten over that I guess or at least some of us. so d. One memory is right. Maybe it was just the weather you know maybe he maybe went west in January or something like. Yeah I think that helps a lot of people make that choice but you know there are there it has been some academic studies on just that fact that the the the the tech culture here a somehow different perhaps a little more siloed less low open least that s been some of the some of the thinking but now we re looking at a pretty big get pretty big competition I should say for this headquarters 50000 people and the city of Boston Massachusetts is ready to put its best put foot forward and well it s. You can imagine what 50000 people are good at not paying for housing those kind of because Boston like other cities is going through something of ours and boom at the moment isn t that that s the they hope property that s right there s a lot number of questions involved in this not the least of which are where is the open space for for all this construction that would take place we had a story a couple of days ago that perhaps they could they could place this new headquarters at an old racetrack Suffolk Downs was which is just a little bit north of Boston the race track is is more or less close it just has a few racing dates every year now and that s been odd as a big spot for potential development by a number number of people the city of Boston itself is pretty much built out suspect just probably a few places around Harvard University in the city of Boston proper and then you know there are a number of communities north of Boston Lawrence and a few other places that potentially could could host this thing but as you say transportation housing zone. Inning rules construction costs weather all of those things will come into this come into this this decision when Amazon and Jeff Bezos finally make it right. Now one of the things that we talked about here before is that this strange idea of putting part of the from the very tip of the northeast of the United States into a different time zone. You know this is kind of today s official silly story there there s actually a state commission that looked at this and came up with a. A draft report today or yesterday that suggests that the advantage of moving to Atlantic Standard Time. Is a good one in the advantages would weigh out the disadvantage we of course disrupt the whole the whole region by springing it had one hour to daylight savings time this concept would eliminate that the sunlight would last a little longer in a day during the winter but of course that would mean that for example kids would be probably tuning to school in the winter in ne in the dark that s one problem not theirs the other problem of course is that this is a state commission prompted in part by a handful of people who have been pushing this for some time but the rest of New England would probably have to go along with this we would one have a situation where Massachusetts is an outlier heaven forbid So this isn t a per bill early stages of this idea but it has a little bit of a push behind it in this state commission and a couple of state lawmakers are pushing it as well you know yet the more that I think about it the most difficult is that you can somehow for see if for example you re traveling from Boston to New York are you going to have to change your watch are if if it s prime time on on national television at 9 pm. Well I mean his primetime 8 pm in Boston and so on. That s true I have there are so few states that have this side of the already and the panhandle of Florida I think the time zone cuts through the middle of it and I think there are some oddities in Indiana. Along these lines as well where a few carved out cities or counties are in one time zone and the rest of the state is another Don t ask me to draw that draw that line I don t know exactly where it is but that s exactly what s happens I driven across the panhandle before and all the sudden you re in a difference I m zone it s quite bizarre. It s so well Oh you know is that it s about to be officially auto Meccans give a pay cut to keen on them making the distinction don t they and as soon as the ACA happens and every said well it s officially fall or or or whatever it s it s officially that in one day isn t it the 22nd that s right in will soon be falling behind on our on our clocks and having to be setting those back and and then I don t mean that the dark time will come a lot earlier seemingly because of the change in costs so that that s kind of the disruption that they re trying to avoid but again it feels like if you and I can just come and come together with just a few questions here about this imagine if this gets thrown into the legislature or even Yet another state commission it could be chewing on this for years and years and years as if they didn t have enough to chew on anyway Well David thank you very much thanks for coming and looking for thank you has taken a. Dollar to the Boston Globe listening to up all night to still to come later on file and talk to Carl is off in the u.k. By now and I will have some other distinguished guests including as we ask the physicist. This is. By the sound of the rescue effort goes on after the earthquake in Mexico and in sports Marc Samson has been sacked England manager. Emergency workers in Mexico are continuing to search under rubble for survivors of Tuesday s powerful earthquake over $200.00 people have died including at least 20 children in a school that collapsed Zoe and her daughter been left with only the clothes they were standing in we got the height of the school with the party people like it it was that place but other things like. Books and the whole like to sit there in a matter that it is also quite shocking and loving that you know there s still people are pretty still in the building Puerto Rico has been cleft completely without power after being battered by Hurricane Maria the Caribbean island was hit by winds of up to 140 miles an hour as the storm moved across it. Is a NASA scientist what we re doing is we re observing this are in many different ways to understand the intense rain that is expected and it s falling in Puerto Rico $12.00 to $18.00 inches in some areas but up to 25 we re seeing a lot of the rivers flooding and with all of the difference we have satellites we re getting a better handle on the impact a 6th arrest has been made by police investigating the terror attack at Parson s Green station on the London Underground last week Officers say a 17 year old boy was detained just after midnight thought and Heath in south London dangerous driving laws could be extended to cover cyclists the government starting a review into whether new specific legislation is needed for causing death by careless or dangerous cycling. Public Health England is going to encourage smokers to use the cigarettes to help them quit it will be the 1st time they ve been actively recommended and comes despite warnings from the health watchdog that there s not enough evidence on the harms and the benefits researchers at the University of London say the rate of people stopping smoking in the 1st 6 months of this year was the highest in a decade Professor Robert West co-wrote the study is regrets a probably not completely home the fighting that will be said society you re still getting nicotine which has some effects and your breathing in particles in the lungs but by comparison with smoke you it s really you know order of magnitude less home for the b.b.c. Has learned that a group of Ryanair pilots has rejected a cash bonus to work extra days after the airline canceled more than 2000 flights because it messed up crew holidays the pilots say they want new contracts and better working conditions instead of the one of payments of 12000 pounds the number of exam entries in England for arts subjects such as drama music and dance has fallen to its lowest level and in a decade that s according to a study from the Education Policy Institute which suggests budget pressures and the introduction of a new performance measure are among the reasons for the drop Rebecca Johns is from a think tank we think that the introduction of progress 8 is particularly important in affecting our sentries at the moment the essay includes 8 different subjects that people need to fail in order to fulfill the requirements that might be limiting the number of Naani back subjects like the arts which people s can therefore take as a baby C.D. s are 5 lives get some sports headlines from Tom Gale the Football Association s chief executive Martin Glenn says he feels very positive with the way the governing body has handled Mark Samson s dismissal as England manager the f.a. Of sack Sampson due to actions they consider incompatible with the standards they expect Manchester United are through to the 4th round of the e.f.l. Co-op but Joe is a merino believes English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was removed holders United travel to swans in the 4th round a full list of all ties is available on the b.b.c. Sport website and app. Chris Froome is out a bronze in the world championships time trial to his historic taught affronts and while to respond you double England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal that the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international later today join our Test Match Special Team from 1215 and despite breaking his leg in 2 places 3 weeks ago 9. Will compete in Spain this weekend this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital online smartphone and a look at the weather now breaks of rain continuing over the next few hours for Northern Ireland Scotland and Wales as well as western and northern parts of in this rest of England stay mostly try but breezy through the night Thursday bringing heavy rain and blustery winds and they ll move across from the west to the southeast bites night sprites of over Northern Ireland temperatures up to 18 degrees in London today 13 the high in Edinburgh was one pod casts go back when she a question who planted the fake news sender of crisis and the answer citing the u.s. N.b.c. News but originating from a report quoting u.s. Government officials in the Washington Post the government of the United Arab Emirates hacked into cattery news sites the fake news in question cited as a reason for diplomatic and economic isolation for many of each other to allies suggested that EMEA of Qatar had praised a mass and called the run an Islamic. 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News I m cam culture Puerto Rico was walloped by Hurricane Maria it hit with sustained winds of 155 miles an hour and left behind destroyed homes flooded roads and a complete lack of power on the island scene. Yes as David Begnaud it was ferocious I have to tell you I mean I have never been in a direct hit with what amounted to a Category 4 hurricane it downgraded shortly before it made landfall here but it one point we had to go inside look we were in a safe spot we were documenting what happened we were under a parking garage but at some point the police who took shelter where we were in the parking garage said you got to come in Maria is no longer a major hurricane c.b.s. T.v. Weather caster Lonnie Quinn you have 110 mile per hour winds you ve got a Category 2 it s moving to the northwest at 12 miles per hour 25 miles to the northwest of I would say I m Puerto Rico so the eye has officially sort of pushed off shore there s devastation in Mexico in the wake of the big earthquake and c.b.s. Is Man Well the horchata says rescuers are working hard to say children trapped in a collapsed school after the anguish of waiting and uncertainty. And girls were told online from a crack in the wall of this collapse school but rescuers fear more may still be trapped more than 24 hours after the earthquake struck killing $25.00 at the school the majority children people are donating food and water for rescue crews and anxious parents but every now and then people throw up a fist This means of silence because rescue crews are trying to listen for any sound coming from the rubble of the Senate will take up the latest g.o.p. Health care bill next week c.b.s. Is teaching Garrus on its prospects the pros are that there is an impetus to try to get something done before this deadline at least among leadership the cons are all Republicans are on board and so trying to get those votes in the next 10 days that s going to be hard for them to do at the Gates Foundation Summit in New York former president Obama said it is frustrating Republicans still want to kill his health reform law paying more for insurance or being denied insurance because of a preexisting condition or because you are a woman that s not a thing anymore we got rid of that. And people are alive today because of that and that s progress an internal document obtained by c.b.s. News shows the State Department knew all about health attacks on diplomats in Cuba long before it acknowledged them C.B.S. s Steve Dorsey State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert read nearly word for word from the document when she 1st publicly acknowledged the attacks responding to c.b.s. News reporting August 9th but the document was prepared weeks and likely months prior a source says by the time now word 1st addressed the attacks the State Department knew the reports of Americans injured was in the double digits now or tweeted the State Department has been transparent in any claims otherwise are full the Dow up 41 today to a new record high legendary boxer Jake La Motta has died at 95 he does known as the Bronx ball middleweight champ with an iron jaw that without it gives indications of being a bit weary from a pounding but across all of that for one day his record was impressive 83 wins 19 losses and 4 draws but it was also marred by his admission that he threw about for the mob in 1947 after retiring Lamont a did some acting and his memoir was turned into the acclaimed film Raging Bull Robert De Niro portraying Romana as a man who was also violent outside the ring Steve Case in c.b.s. News Bill O Reilly calls his firing by Fox News a political hit job and says his conscience is clear when it comes to the way he interacted with limited work he was ousted after the New York Times reported 5 women were paid a total of $13000000.00 to stay silent about O Reilly s dealings with them Pam Colter c.b.s. News. Well it must be very few people by now who don t know that President Trump thinks that the Iran nuclear deal was one of the worst deals the United States has ever entered into he repeated as much yesterday during his big un speech which is still being digested and he called it an embarrassment to the United States and he went on of course to attack Iran for its support of Hezbollah and suggesting that it s time for the regime to free all Americans. Just detained and above all must stop supporting terrorists that s just a little bit of it and then he prays Saudi Arabia and today Iran s president Hassan Rouhani delivered a hard hitting speech of his own in which he said that Mr Trump s attack was ignorant and absurd President Rouhani defended the Iran nuclear deal and he said be a great pity if it was destroyed by what he called rogue newcomers to the world of politics and then the u.s. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson had to sit down with Iran s foreign minister jabbered serif and they had meetings in what s always described as a margin at the United Nations and in what a European diplomat described as a very difficult meeting Well I speak to Professor Abbas Malani director of Iranian studies at Stanford University in California Hello Professor Maloney. Good morning to you and to listen good morning nice to have you back well. What can we possibly can could about relations with Iran at this stage does Mr Trump speak for the United States. Foreign service apparatus as a whole is this is this a pretty clear rebuff for Iran. Well I think the president obviously speaks for much of the government of the states but surprising that in keeping within his that ministration. There are powerful elements including some in the military some in state the State Department to don t think that. Throwing away the nuclear deal with Iran is a good idea just today the head of Centcom said that Iran has been abiding by all its obligations so I take it from the president speaks for the administration. But I don t think he speaks for the entire government of the United States because I don t think anybody still knows what the new administration policy on Iran is or for that matter for other parts of the world many many ambiguity still. And when we talk about Iran biting Faya Sahlberg a sions under the treaty what kind of things are we talking about. Well you know the nuclear deal that Mr trances is an embarrassment was in fact of serious rollback of last nuclear program Iran gave up 968 percent of its endless Uranium One gave up all of its 20 percent English of any and to Russia Iran particularly shut down its Iraq heavy water reactor it has limited functionality of that secret try to do the site I think most nuclear experts would concur that it is one of the most serious rollbacks. That any country has accepted and it was accepted because it s the one was under a great deal of economic pressure and on all of those things to run has abided according to the body. That is responsible for oversight and today the commander of Centcom also said that Iran had done all of the things that it has agreed to do there is some disagreement. About whether stopping missile tests is part of the agreement Iran says it never was part of the agreement. About the trumpet ministrations seems to believe that it was at least in the spirit of they had the cream and those tests. Are a breach of the contract I think the e.u. Members. Say that it wasn t part of the agreement that it is imprudent of Iran to be so provocative in doing the test. But in what it has done it sounds like Iran is doing what everybody would like North Korea to do. That s absolutely case and that s why some of the rhetoric the Trump yesterday used in the u.n. Was counterproductive to what they re trying to do with North Korea because if you re the North Korean government and you re looking at the way the u.s. You know laterally much might walk away from a deal that the rest of the international community still believes is a good deal e.u. Believes it s a good deal of Britain. China Russia India that does not I think lead to much eagerness understandably for North Korea to make a deal so if ever there was not a good time to walk away from an international deal with a country that was trying to develop maybe a nuclear bomb it is now but Mr Trump sometimes there s a strange things and this seems to be one of them. When it s a when it comes to the political climate in Iran what did this do for the discussion between the moderates and the hardliners the speech by Mr Trump. But I think it. Absolutely strengthens the hands of the hardliners who keep saying repeating that we told you so that the Us cannot be trusted How many has more than once. Repeated the notion that he has been right all wrong and that any kind of repertoire with the United States is not just impossible but on why so every time these rhetorical attacks are made in Iran it in the hands of the. Hardliners is a strengthened and people like Rowhani have no choice but to come swinging at the u.n. Rouhani are giving it one of his boast that the Americans which is ever. In order to cover his plank he had no choice but to make the speech. Where does where do you think this goes next to be any idea. My sense is that because the international community much in the international community that is e.u. That is China that is Russia India want the deal to. Be maintained believed that doing the deal is better than scuttling it I think that it was going to survive the old Mr Trump can do is taken us Valerie out of it I think that will further isolate the United States in that. Argument I think it will d d strengthen the hands of Iran in the region I think Europe Stillings with Iran is going to increase I would be surprised if. The e.u. The French the Germans the British Chinese the Russians who have signed sense of contract haven t actually invest that much yet but I would think that they re going to. Begin investing and I think it is imprudent of the United States if Mr Trump decides to withdraw from the deal we are a matter of. Some a lot of good obvious Thank you very much as always a pleasure of about. We re going to try to explain and I do it some may have seen in this morning s Daily Telegraph Financial Times some other newspapers in the u.k. It was put placed by the government of Qatar and it was all about fake news just saying that there had been some real skullduggery and based on. An American news report going back to the summer suggesting that the government of the u.a.e. Had been up to no good and calling for the boycott of Gaza which has been going on no for the last 4 or 5 months by the neighbors in the Gulf to end in the Go over it as a Middle East expert at University of Melbourne Hello him Hello Rod toy good well 1st things 1st I suppose can you can you explain what this newspaper ad actually meant well look these ads that demonstrate p.r. Campaign by the Qatari government what it sees as an unjust and absurd kind of diplomatic boycotts that s got to be going on for 3 or 49 months now against the top by other Gulf states. What these adverts are trying to put out is that basically what u.s. Intelligence stay at that Qatari news sites were hacked by the u.a.e. Previously and Qatar kind of sees the. Allegations by the Gulf as quite unjust and is trying to rectify that with an international audience right so that says the boycott because there s no actual grounds for it but presumably this is just a bit of a smokescreen for something that the neighbors wanted to do anyway what what lay behind this boycott. Well behind this boy cause we re really dealing more with kind of the regional environment that s happening in the Middle East at the moment Qatar has been accused of promoting its own independent foreign policy in the region suspend the decree true since the 2011 with the Arab Spring and as has been accused by other regional players of being a source of instability with its support groups such as Hamas the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafi jihadists group in Syria high out. And is that demonstrably all that they are supporting these groups well according to these allegations by these groups that Qatar is being the main source of instability in this region you know it s also seen closer ties with Iran and Saudi Arabia particularly is not very pleased that Qatar is acting independently from what it sees as its own dominant edge of monic aspirations within the region so by Qatar actually engaging independent foreign policy it is. Not subjugating itself the kind of Saudi led dominance in the Gulf. It s complicated for the Americans though isn t it because if if the Americans are supporting Katha here. They re also supporting Saudi Arabia in other fields are there are there kind of they re playing both sides Yes Yeah that s correct what we re seeing particularly with the Trump administration is that the particularly just recently as in the last week that the top administration is not trying to favor one Gulf country or the other it has a lot of interests in the Middle East but securely in the Gulf and it doesn t really have that much sway at the moment of what s going on between these powers but it kind of is applying pressure but still removing itself from favoring one country or another. And I was kind of actually doing in the boycott because the obvious for the very wealthy and there was a lot of discussion about the fact that they just pay more and bring stuff in on the black market house and go and you know well look at the moment at the beginning it wasn t really taking much of a toll like actually has around $800000000000.00 sovereign wealth funds 3 months on however it s that around 30000000000 so far to 6 the props economy this is also as you can see now start this take a strain on the economy and this is where we could see the development of these p.r. Campaign and particularly guitars and media shapes I mean that humble a tiny actually spoke at the u.g. In a the other day trying to illustrate to white arts the various prices so we can see that is actually start to take a toll on the economy how long it will be able to maintain its own economic independence is much to see but this will have obviously international and regional implications for the markets and for the wider region. Sounds sounds as if it s as complicated as it ever was and we thank you very much for that for your advice Ian thanks thanks no worries Rob thank you very much thank you ima go over it from the aversive Melbourne there well let s take a look up in the sky and the the great story this week is a whole bunch of scientists who went nowhere particular but they pretended they were going to Mars Here s Fiona Healy from the Jodrell Bank Center for Astrophysics . So it s called the high seas mission the high seas for who I based exploration out a log and simulation. And what it was was they were trying to replicate what it would be like to send a team of humans to Mars because that would involve months and months of being locked up together in a tiny little capsule basically a with you know no breaks from each other had no privacy and obviously that we really didn t know what the high seas program had been doing is. Doing essentially doing which is down here on Earth. And trying to replicate as to possible the conditions that a crew would would be enduring on Mars that here at. The do that they put them all they put a crew of 6 people in a century a big tent. On the side of a volcano in Hawaii and they stayed in there for 8 months from times how did they feed them all and potatoes setting really familiar. I never really that s what I was thinking of you know they were able to see that they were able to they had a more varied diet than potatoes now they couldn t have anything else and so they only had cab food or food that had been freeze dried in advance although I did a bit of reading they all had this Will blogs that you could read that you can you can link to from the high seas website and they re actually quite needs to read and apparently they had tremendous fun cooking you can hardly do a lot with the with canned food when it comes to resumes so that was I think. They would have the can trued as they only went outside once a week and that was all suited up into kind of spacesuits because they were tending to Mary s and the globe I m headed to search for Thames geological experiments so they d pick up rocks off the ground and bring them back and look at them and stuff to kind of to to simulate what they d be doing if they actually were on Mars. They didn t die of boredom. Well no party that needed to do their. Protests think with the the aim of the study was to find out of that would happen. No I don t know if I d be up for it myself but the word composite toilers were mentioned which completely put it off but these people didn t seem to mind truth than to 4 men and 2 women which was them good as well because the kinds of missions have been done in the past but sometimes with crews of just land which a lot of people have pointed out is not so good because if you re kind of going to be studying how people interact in those cordial like that it s probably better to have a mixed group because that s more realistic. So yeah the finding that the study have meant released Yes I mean I gather they stayed in there for 8 months and it took notes and they were getting a lot I mean how they resolve conflicts together and stuff and then NASA and NASA who funded the study can use that that if they actually are send your crew to Mars they can use the findings of studies like these. To kind of make decisions on how people would be chosen to go to Mars and cruise like that and the months have anything to do with the time frame for a mission to Mars would would people be expected to stay on Mars for roughly that long or just a random number I think it s to replicate how long they would be they would be on Mars far and obviously as well it takes into account how long it would take to get to Mars which I actually don t know off the top of my head but if anyone seen the Martian I think it s covered in that. A long time anyway but you know I mean I think the idea is that we send people up to Mars and then they d stay there for in a while maybe you know on the timescale of a few months 6 to 8 months because that would give them time to kind of do some experiments. And then come back home so the whole journey would probably take even longer because you have to capture the time taken to get up there in the time taken to get back as well. And the other thing they had. To contend with the court was that if you re on Mars it takes 20 minutes for messages to get back to Earth so that was another thing they replicated the study any message that they sent out in their little tent was given a 20 to 10 delay. Because that that s another thing they d have to go work up there so and so no face time no face time no escape. What our world if. Their jobs are back Center for us physics and that brings us to have passed to. Live proof for anyone this is b.b.c. 5 live news conference. Emergency workers in Mexico are continuing to search under rubble for survivors of Tuesday s powerful earthquake over $200.00 people are known to have died including at least 20 children in a school that collapsed Puerto Rico s been left completely without power after being battered by Hurricane Maria the Caribbean island was hit by winds of up to 140 miles an hour as the storm moved across it a 6th arrest has been made by police investigating the terror attack at Parsons Green station on the London Underground last week Officers say a 17 year old boy was detained just after midnight Thornton Heath in south London and Public Health England is going to encourage smokers to use the cigarettes to help them quit it with the 1st time they ve been actively recommended comes despite warnings from the health watchdog that there s not enough evidence on the harms and benefits Tom gale has the sports Mark Samson has been sacked as England women s manager following evidence of inappropriate and unacceptable behavior with female players whilst in charge of bristle Academy in 2014 when investigated at the time the Football Association concluded Samson did not pose a safeguarding risk however after revisiting the case f.a. Chief executive Martin Glenn decided there were issues with some sins actions when I read the full report that just last week the issue became one of Mark s conduct and it s really around the boundary. Being a player and a coach on reading that report I felt that what I saw was incompatible with the standards that we expect for someone to work in the f.a. So the issues about his conduct the standards of fans to set form a Sunderland player and editor of she kicks magazine General Neal believe sums and isn t the only one who should be held accountable that you wish to be any where everybody believes are the victims you know I guess Luck s one of them in a sense is well this should have been investigated properly from the outset there should be more openness and more honesty about this I guess that possibly other people of all Association should jump because f.l. 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Sport website and app defending Scottish Cup champion Celtic through to the semifinals after thrashing done before now and Christiane who are now those roots in from a 5 much ban ended in defeat as Real Madrid lost one nil It s home to rail Chris Froome Azadi to Will championship bronze in the time trial to go alongside this year s historic sort of France and well to a Spaniard double former will time trial champion Chris Boardman believes the medal helps cap an incredible year for the team Skyrider 3 weeks to be absolutely intensely involved event then take a very short break and then do it again for the Tour of Spain come out on top they are not was a really challen. Race to try and come back again for the World Championships it was an awful lot to ask given shows his ambition but I think even just getting on the podium was a tremendous achievement. It is a century the county championship season for sorry against relegation rivals Somerset and the International Paralympic Committee present Andrey Parsons says postponing the world championship on swimming events is the right thing to do following the earthquake in Mexico City. 145 Premier League season. Premier League. The touch. I was. This. Close to sleepy and Southampton against Manchester United to see this is against little. Tiny. Extra This is b.b.c. 5 live on the b.b.c. I Player radio. Those say they are frustrated and saddened that hundreds of their fans with tickets were unable to get into their show or the 02 Arena in London last night but was all necessary the band said as part of an attempt to try to take it. Of the whole industry this was a one off and it was marking the release of their new album concrete gold and I asked our entertainment correspondent Collin Patterson to tell us more about what happened while they really were trying to make this gig an example it was a one off show from the Foo Fighters one of the biggest bands in the planet at the o 2 Arena the queues were enormous and when people got the front of the line they were being asked for id for the name of one of the people in their group so one of the people who had bought the tickets had to be present know this caused all kinds of problems are examples of a brother and sister who d been bought tickets by their mother the mother wasn t there they were turned away they were going it s our surname on the ticket why when you I was in there were also examples of people who when they get sold out at the o 2 they got on the 02 website which had said why not buy tickets from our reselling partner Stubhub they ve gone on to star pub and bought tickets for 700 pounds and when they turned up they were turned away and they were Same to you too you told me to buy the tickets I did it s a no you re not letting me in so we got this joint statement from Foo Fighters s.g.m. The promoters and the o 2 Arena and they say that they did this to prevent tickets being resold at extortionate prices the vast majority of fans understood and a here to this and they say as Event organizers of last night s concert they implemented the policy from on sale that s the moment the tickets went on sale to. Limit secondary reselling of tickets Rod This was an attempt to clamp down didn t ticket taking something that is so close to so many people s hearts well reminds me of what s being done for Hamilton when it warms in London later in the autumn and what they re trying to do is they take your credit card number and they insist that you show up with your order number on your credit card that you re actually bought it with and some id I just throw up my hands I have no idea how that s going to work. Well what exactly is a good example that Hamilton I know people who have bought tickets as presents for people and they are going to have to go themselves on the night to collect their tickets and then hand them over that is the only way they can do it now is such a contentious issue rod because ticket toting has been such a problem for so many years it s not illegal when it comes to doing this for air concerts it is for football in Britain not for pop concerts but there are times and conditions a venue can say you have to be the name on the tickets that is what happened last night and it s caused a lot of hearts people driving up from Devon booking hotel rooms not getting in to see their favorite band if you did buy your tickets through Stubhub you do get your money back but you will never get those memories of that day back. Where you did speak to Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins at length you know before all is blew up in happier times from here. And I was like oh why don t you ask me the tickets I interviewed him before I was in the Savoy a hard sell that I have people exactly and people have been asking me is Dave Grohl really the nicest man in rock and I have to say I always feel disappointed to say yes he is that nice he was in the room beforehand chatting to as tell staff when I went in he went wait a minute I think I ve met you before the joint if you me about 3 years ago and we chatted about me interviewing Barack Obama and I was like yes that s right it was like he couldn t have just made that up and went to dig chat to them they were happy to chat about a variety of subjects this is Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins who drums in the Foo Fighters you re going to hear them on presidents on Princes on the very sad stories this year of Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington in us rock taking their own lives but there s also happier ones Dave Grohl parental tips you re going to hear all that over the next 20 minutes. Well Dave Grohl Taylor Hawkins fouth us here we are 23 years into Korea and I new album do you really still get excited we have absolutely I mean going into the studio to make a record it s just it s you know it s like a playground it s an adventure and you go in and you finally get to realize these sounds that have been in your head or these songs that have been garage or the home studio and when you go into a record like the way we did with this one anything goes if you want to choir put a choir on if you want to string section put a string section on it you want to work with the producer work with the guy that makes records with the Delancey and he s producer of the year so the 1st week in there you re so excited you can t wait and then when you re finished and you finally get that sequenced copy of the entire record it s the accomplishment of something like that that that s the reward you actually did it again and then you step on stage and start playing it for people and play gigs like Glastonbury and I mean it s hard not to still love to do it it s those those little rewards of those little accomplishments that he s been going for decades so holding the album still means a lot so is wondering do you know you have to go on and check out how you positioned and digital stores as well I don t really know if I mean. Our man Our manager is here in fact there are some where he does yeah and he shows me some of the like oh how these things go and I feel like I m as chart right here because I pulled it up on his phone today I m like I m confused what s important is the screams here and like I don t even know what s going on and you are you know although you have to consider like over 23 years your motivation or your ambition kind of changes you know like I think when we were when we 1st started as a band we just wanted to play the songs without them sounded. Like crap it was hard to get through a show it was hard which it starts didn t always happen where instruments and then and then as we started making more and more records it was like Well now we want to go from the theater we really want to take it from the theater to the arena and then it becomes like well we really want to take it from the arena to the stadium and I mean I remember we did Wimbley arenas for the 1st time back in 2002. I couldn t believe it I couldn t believe that we actually could do a night at Arena stand it I mean I m still amazed that we can do any of this stuff and still amazing to me but I remember that being a definitely a moment where I went wow you know yeah that s amazing but then after a while you start so you just all of that early ambition and trophies and things like that like it doesn t really matter as much anymore you know it s survival is the one thing that I m most proud of that we re actually still here people still want to come and party with us when it when it s 930 at the arena like that to me. That s the trophy at the end of that well I m going to ask you how many buttons do you have now you know booms by because this is your 9th welcoming line albums and Queen albums did the Beatles and various versions made those made 9 records I actually just read about this the other day a lot of bands 9 records you Tues night record was the pop record. Yeah record it already ams 9th record was Monster which is a great record yeah it happens you know I m sure there s plenty of bands that have made 9 records but none of them make as big of a deal out of it as we do. And this album is a unique and painful all region really old style so but you falling off the stage in Sweden Yeah well you know the funny thing is falling off the stage in Sweden and breaking my leg on the last record tour was actually kind of at the beginning it was the beginning of the tour almost you know I mean we d only been doing shows for a couple months at that point so we had 70 more shows more shows after that but we kept going it didn t hurt when it happened and then it was hard to tour for 6 months afterwards sitting in this ridiculous throne thing Game of Thrones I ve never seen that footage do. Of you trying to stand up they have that now I saw it do it it s you don t like I want to tackle that 1st time it shows you get up and then just fall back down I was like whoa yeah there was nothing there if you want the I can t want to spook e-mails but you know we finished the tour for the last record I think everyone was exhausted I was physically exhausted it was mentally exhausted and emotionally drained and I just thought you know let s just stop for awhile let s take a year off which is a long time for us some bands disappear for 5 or 6 years I can t imagine doing that you know I don t really have friends outside of the members of the Foo Fighters because you know if you re on my record or of worked on my record you re probably my friend but it s such a big part of our lives that it s it s hard to step away from and in those 6 months I kind of like got reclusive and isolated and depressed and bummed out and I eventually realized the one thing that makes me the most happy in life is making music and making it with my friends and after about 6 months to sort of picking up a guitar and doing it again the songs on this record are reminders to me of the reason why I love doing what I do and it it s what keeps me alive. A lot of the lyrics were written in a short period of time just as Trump got the nomination to run for president of the United States of America you know see what that was doing to just the general overall psyche of America that our country was just flipping out in disbelief that this is actually happening and talk about every day when we are writing the record you know it s like every day was a new tweet like to see this and we re always like going well this is too far ahead . Now there is no way he s going to go now there s no way there is no way to get past this one and now I go to our base 1st elected you see this he s this is like his neck while the last time I interviewed you you just interviewed President Obama how would you fancy a half hour sit down with President Trump I don t think you interview President Trump I think interview I think President Trump just tells you what he wants to tell you I ve watched interviews with him before and. He doesn t seem like the best listener you know he s maybe not very again I m going to Sherry. He s very proud of himself I don t know what I would do it could you know it would probably be like the time allergy interviewed President transplant if it ever said that but it s pretty good political know because once it s been we re not Rage Against The Machine you know it s not our intention to We d love to have turned it with a force we ve got our friends and they re great but yeah but I mean Art our album isn t meant to be like a protest placard you know and one thing I love about being in the Foo Fighters is that we bring people together and in a time when everyone is so divided especially in America you have Republicans you have Democrats you have conservatives you have liberals you have people that are holding on so tightly to their ideology or whatever they believe in that it s hard for them to co-exist with anyone else and tell you play a song that they can all sing together so then you get into was into a stadium or an arena and you play a song like my hero. And it doesn t matter what religion you are or what your background is what political affiliation people they all sing that for their own reason and when you get that many people together to sing as a choir you realize like well there s one thing they have in common that you can actually bring them together to do and we actually we do that. This piece such asides year for American rock music with Chris Cornell from Sun garden you know Chester Bennington from Lincoln Park both taken their own lives what s going on. Well I mean it s a funny subject for me to talk about because I ve been through it personally so with Kirk and the yeah it s hard to know you know that s one of the things about suicide is that kind of left with this big question mark you know a lot of the times you didn t see the signs and they seemed perfectly happy the day before and it seemed like everything was all right and for me when I hear about something like that happening my 1st reaction is sympathy for the family and then my next reaction is sympathy for the band and because that s a long road that s a hard one to get through and it takes a lifetime and then you think and then I think about the music and I think about all of the great things that maybe we re missing out on that these artists had to offer beyond all of that you know I think it just raises the question of depression and not mental illness and it s not just musicians Yeah it s there for him and that s the famous musicians who bring it to light or a famous person or whatever or whatever but it s not just to musicians I mean I think there s some stigma attached to mental health and depression that people are afraid to confront themselves or maybe even with others you know and there shouldn t be any. Disconnects between. A friend checking in on another friend Are you Ok it s not something that that s easy a motion a lead to to. To talk about it to get into but you know it s and I think it s important with the people that you love that you let them know that you love them and that you care and if there s any thing you can do it s it s it s a complicated it s complicated but I mean with someone like Chris Cornell here that hero of ours to such a hero I look back at the bands in Seattle when I 1st moved there and started playing it was just before all of the band started blowing Alice in Chains and Soundgarden Pearl Jam and Vonage and that little city and those little bands that played in a little bars kind of exploded and the Seattle music scene took over the world and it was hard for everybody everybody dealt with it in different ways and as that sort of started to dissipate you just cross your fingers and hope everyone survives . I was 2526 years ago it was a long time ago and you think Ok we ve survived we ve survived we made it through and then we see another one go down and. So it s the old boy it s a real royalty what happened backstage with you and Harry thinks it s going to I what we were doing this would have played even if this was the night before the a make this game something and then we planted the ambassador s Aldred House and we met her and David already kind of texted with Harry to live and talking about doing the show never met before he talks to Prince Jaimie used to say. It s a funny thing to say I mean you know the funniest thing about that day I remember getting there and someone said Oh when he arrives you have to meet him I said sure and I m an ugly american right so I don t know how to address royalty I don t know how that works so there s this line of people that he s saying hello to and he comes up on my name and what s going to how are you is like it was sort of talking all right man well yeah see after Yeah Ok and then he moves to the next person and that s versus like you all royal highness and I just thought to myself such and what did I I should have known to do that until I really come to slump here I was tired. I was jet lagged and we not only and we started kind of like at 1st I mean I mean you know it s Prince Harry was seen on a lot of magazines and stuff America and they were real and you start talking and he starts kind of a real talk and I m just like. Some such I like right now like a way to get ready to walk on stage you know inside I mean I just I m tired and his cause. He s in the military to. Yeah yeah like a little like what was that and it was great it was funny and I wore the flap with pride and then when I had my surgery here in London he was actually one of the 1st people to come visit me afterwards he brought me a gift he brought me this little pillow to put my i Pad on while I was in recovery that is how he brought you a gift and he did he says this way this I owe you a text area and I m sorry I m texting while he came over and. You know there was no entourage or anything and and it s funny our nanny our my kids were there as well our nanny was there and she came into the room with the kids and I said Alexis is harry harry like she s like oh my how are you and it took her about 5 or 6 minutes before she realized that. She realized that he s a very great guy very cool snow blew your mind sometimes you think that you love all of the most obscure eighty s punk bands that he would hang out with and I was royalty in President I mean honestly nothing surprises me anymore because this whole experience has been kind of like a dream you know. So many incredible things have happened to us over the years that just seem to kind of fall in our lap you know we are dividing rod is just like this gut feeling and we think what the hell s the dividing Rod now fighting lot of water that is. And she managed to combine all this with being dads each got 3 children how difficult is it combining rock stardom with school run well I used to think that they were mutually exclusive that you couldn t really do the 2 together I was used to think can we do this and so on like in my thirty s going to stop and then I m going to start normal life why the hell would you want to do well before I want to learn all I could you know like it s part of me that wants a normal life and I wouldn t tell a job and then eventually realize that this for me is a normal life you know this is been my life for more than half of my life travelling around making music and interviews and playing shows and whatever and making records and so then I started to realise after seeing Neil Young and his family I thought wow you can actually do the 2 things at the same time you just have to have that balance and that s the tricky part you know to be coming to sometimes but it s also change the way we work if we didn t have kids we d be on the road 15 months out of the year you know I mean and I know now that 100 other projects and yeah yeah but it s the balance of those 2 things when this becomes too overwhelming you go back home when you chill out and gives you how you think they really make you healthy I mean this is just normal for any person you know their reason to get up and fight you know our food fight but year that you know they re part of the reason you know they you know you re not selfish anymore when you could also headed towards teenage years and you know what guys in the teenage years are like one. Dalia I always had this plan that if my daughter ever started dating musician that I d invite him over and tell him I will get you a record deal if you never hang out with my daughter ever again that s Plan a that s one of them it s funny because you try to sort of flash forward to these things that might happen and there s just no way of knowing like you cross those bridges when I come to that but I know right now with my 11 year old I m experiencing her becoming her own person she s not a child anymore she s forming this identity she s finding herself through music the she like the I don t care she doesn t probably know. Her dad s band Why would anyone like that. But you know I watch or. I can see her like she shaved her head she s in a band she got another piercing Inner Ear This is my daughter saying demo 11 year old daughter shave to head the I mean it s like my 2 kids are who are in the latest video 2 of my kids there s Violet there s Harper and yet when she comes to me and says that I think I want to shave my head and I say Ok I thought you were growing your hair out and she says yeah but all the other girls in my class have long hair and I m different from them I don t want to be like them I think I want to cut it really short. To me that s someone that s like finding strength in their identity and this is happening now and so I watch the way she used to stand up at school and Ashley stands up at school like this and I m proud of that that was me as a kid I mean my mother my mother was a public school teacher she taught kids of my age or teenagers for 35 years and she taught me some great lessons about identity and growth and formative years and learning and and she actually she wrote a book last year we should interviewed mothers of different musicians and one of the things that she found that all of these mothers have in common is each one of these artists Dr Dre afer Raul Michael Stipe from our Yeah they all found their calling in between the ages of 11 and 13 is a very very important formative time for kids to discover identity and so my daughter s singing in a band she sounds like an amazing voice and she s finding strength she sent me a video treatment last night for what s on for that song concrete and gold because she sent me a 2 page video treatment here what you should do for the video is this wall that explodes and and then it is this liquid portal where these like interpretive dancers turn to gold and they float in the air and crash to the ground and I that s my daughter I m very proud about. Well there we go Colum Patterson with grow and Taylor from the Foo Fighters I was just I m scratching my head there because he s talking about Prince Harry of course is the big scoop Prince Harry came to see him when he was recovering from his broken leg Dave Grohl and give him an I-Pod pill and Tuchman what is an i Pad pillow I m sorry I m sorry Ok so I had to find at times out that an i Pad pillow is a big squashy thing it s a bit like a beanbag that used to sit on except now it s have been bag for your i Pad so you can rest your i Pad comfortably on your lap and cut out this squishy thing. Which I guess makes a lot of sense. Conventional supporters Ok. Why why would Prince Well because he s in bed of course he was in bed. And he couldn t go so Prince Harry brought up an i Pad but I think you do it where you put your head. You. Know I these radio signals get they put under your pillow my 1st Boston you ll love it 1st of all could have a deal to wonder I had to listen to up all night long. And. This is. B.b.c. News comes from Liam spent. On a 5 rescue efforts continue after Mexico s play in sports. This is. Where the 5 Live. Rescuers in Mexico City have managed to pass food and water to. Teen year old girl trapped in the rubble of a school which collapsed during Tuesday s earthquake at least $21.00 children died in the building Regina is their rescuers believe they least 3 people are still alive and trapped in that collapsed school a risky Was believe that the 13 year old girl is sheltering underneath a table beneath the rubble they would give us any information about take condition that they say that she is still alive more than $3000000.00 people in Puerto Rico are without power after Hurricane Maria took out the electricity supply the u.s. National Hurricane Center says catastrophic flooding is sweeping parts of the island detectives investigating Friday s bomb attack on the London Underground arrested a 17 year old boy in 14 Heath south London it brings the number of people being held to 6 for the 1st time in the u.k. Scientists have altered the d.n.a. Of human embryos the research using a technique known as Gene editing was performed at the Francis Crick Institute in London the scientists say it might eventually lead to improved I.V. s treatment or help explain why some women miscarry Dr Kathy is from the institute this is basic research that s providing us with a foundation of knowledge about early human development within this 1st 7 day window and our hope is that this information can be used as a basis to build further understanding about underlying causes infertility the government is considering a new offensive causing death by careless or dangerous cycling The announcement comes just days after a cyclist was jailed for 18 months for knocking over and killing a woman as he sped on a bike with no front brakes more than $9000000.00 drivers could still be using their phones at the wheel a year on since tougher penalties were announced the research by the r.a.c. Reveals despite the new penalties in force since March 4 in 10 people surveyed said they make and receive calls while sat in traffic and the same amount also check texts emails and social media Pete Williams. Is road safety spokesman for the r a c clearly the tougher penalties have not had the desired effect and we believe that s largely because many drivers don t believe they will be caught because we ve seen such a reduction in the number of roads policing offices so their numbers are down 30 percent from 10 years ago and Facebook is testing a tool for the 1st time that lets people stop alcohol adverts from appearing in their timeline the trials being welcomed by charities who claim rules around advertising booze on social media aren t good enough users can now block ads for fixed or permanently Delaney s a tech expert and told 5 Live the ads went completely unregulated before though there has historically been a perception that online advertising is somehow a wild west that is worse than television or print media or billboards as a way of targeting people the truth is actually that online advertising for alcohol has to meet the same standards as it does for all other media let s hit the sport now with Tom Gale the Football Association s chief executive Martin Glenn says he feels very positive with the way the governing body has handled Mark Samson s dismissal as England manager the f.a. Of sack Samson due to actions they consider incompatible with the standards they expect Manchester United are through to the 4th round of the e.f.l. Cup But Joe is a merino believes English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was removed holders United travel to swans in the 4th round a full list of all ties is available on the b.b.c. Sport website and app. Chris Froome is out a bronze in the world championships time trial to his historic taught affronts and while to respond you double England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal that the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international later today join our Test Match Special Team from 1215 and despite breaking his leg in 2 places 3 weeks ago 9. 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Enough times you can pretty much recall and I know that be a safety as a little girl not a teddy bear inseparable on the ground and in flight so what s going on Glasgow Airport the lost property office has just put up pictures of hundreds of Teddy s currently being held in overcrowded quarters shedding tears no doubt losing the stuffing How could they become separated Will it ever again find happiness with souls we can bear for anymore teddies to go missing says a Glasgow airport press office planning for its life so you can tag your bear and I will just lie to prove you and Bear had a station. Well as our of science and adult Kyle 1st things 1st housekeeping is still absent and coming ever closer to a starring appearance at the Royal Institution want to tell you he appears on Saturday the 30th of September at the Royal Institution in London presenting an all new great moments in science if you go to the Royal Institution website you can see him wearing a picture of we are in a picture of strawberries Well that s right it is wearing a shirt with a very large strawberries printed on one half of it very small strawberries printed on the other and it looks he looks divine Of course. Saturday the 30th of September Royal Institution 6 pm to 715 tickets are still available I can t tell you how much commission is going me because then the b.b.c. Would have to sack me so let s talk to Bianca Grady instead Hello Bianca and I run very nice to have you back with us great I hope you ve had a good week. We have we re actually enjoying a heat wave at the moment well I say enjoying the sun but I sure as someone who lives very close to a lot of flammable Bush but yes we re having an early summer at the moment well as Marvel is saying and I should also introduce Dr Katie Mack the astrophysicist Hello Katie hello how you very good very good indeed thank you for for coming to our aid in the absence of Dr Carl who is I don t know he keeps telling us he s the 11th most respected man in Australia or something or some kind of poll that s been taken which he always seems to figure fairly high on for some reason and. Kids here we go the way we re going to do this is I m going to set you off in a minute just to just to talk about something that I know interests you very much but very soon we ll be taking questions from our listeners going to take text questions on the town hall from from our listeners who have texted arson on 85058 we ll take e-mails which people have sent us after listening to the pod casts to appall night b.b.c. U.k. I will take phone calls as well 5. Night 09693 is the number you know it better than I do and do feel free to call us because operators are standing by all is said Katie do you do you have any kind of last thoughts about Cassini I mean people are going to be working on that data for a long time on. Yeah there s so much data still to go through there s hundreds and thousands of pictures it s an incredible treasure trove of information about about the planet and its moons and the rings and everything. I m I m still a little sad about the end of the mission I m still sad to to know that that wonderful spacecraft has now decomposed into its consistent component molecules in the atmosphere of Saturn but it did a great job and you know just everything about the mission was amazing it worked incredibly well so you know I think everybody who was involved in it is happy with how it went even even though we re sad that it s over and you know there s there s going to be so much that still comes out of it with all the data analysis so it s not over over it s just it s just one phases and could well be that people might have questions about it there s also another mission that you brought to my attention and we had I didn t know about this one which is a mission to an asteroid. Yeah yeah so this is a mission that s been flying for a while it was launched in 2016 and it s a mission to go visit an asteroid and take a sample of the material of the asteroid and bring that sample back to Earth so sample return missions are pretty rare and this will be the biggest sample return mission that the u.s. Has done since Apollo there s been a few other sample return missions that have happened over the years getting little bits of asteroids and bits of interstellar dust but this is going to be a pretty exciting one because they ll get a pretty large quantity of the stuff and hopefully it will come back to a safer safely and we ll be able to study this asteroid that might tell us about the origins of the solar system and the reason this mission is called Osiris Rex The reason it s in the mint news right now is because it s doing an Earth flyby to change its orbit and then it s going to go run off and try and catch up with this asteroid so it s one of these sort of Slingshot things as it is a being called Yeah. Yeah and it s kind of a neat it s going to need mission that it s going to fly up to the asteroid get really close put out a robotic arm and do a little sort of fist bump to grab a bit of asteroid and then and then run off again so it s a neat design of the mission and it should give us some really cool data you know when you say runs off does it come back is it like. Something Well it you know fire its rockets or whatever it s got some propulsion on it so it s going to meet up with the asteroid and then come back to Earth and it s got a little capsule that it s going to that s going to go into the atmosphere and survive the descent hopefully and then land and will be able to collect that capsule the rest of the spacecraft will not come home but that little sample collection capsule will. Well back I want to talk a little bit about hearing loss because it I mean so many people concern themselves about hearing loss even though we got wonderful technology these days for hearing aids but not every mammal has to go through the hell of losing their hearing or at least feeling their hearing degrade. You know Will and I mean hearing loss is just one of those things that seems to part and parcel of getting older and I should point out I missed a perfect opportunity for and an old a column dead jokes ago what which is what my mother would normally do this point. Of yes I generally by the age of 65 who actually lost about 30 decibels in our hearing set Stevie high frequency so it s called President Q 6 and possibly mispronouncing that but that was my best stab at it and it s the result of essentially a gradual degree of gradual loss of the sensory his cells in area and that partly just age related the death of the cells but also by exposure to noise over the course of a lifetime. So this happens as far as we know in or mammals but it doesn t seem to happen in. And this study was actually looking at this effect in Bonn owls who have a very acute hearing because they need it to listen out for a little rustling tasty things in the undergrowth and so these researchers had 7 hand raised by als and I trained them to fly from one perch to another poet when they hear a certain order trick you a certain sound and that sound was the. Volume of that sound was adjusted to get softer and softer and 4 of these now as were Yemens so they were less than 2 and the other 3 Van ours were aged around $13.00 to $17.00 which is pretty old for now and basically what they saw was that there was no age related hearing loss in these the so even the old birds could hear the very very soft sound and was still responding as well as the younger birds and so it suggests that they ve got some kind of mechanism that protects them from this age related hearing loss and what they suggesting is that maybe that their sensory hassles in the ears actually regenerate constantly regenerating. So that they don t they don t lose that kind of that hearing ability and I mean how we translate this into humans I don t know but it s so. Lee is a good starting point because I did hear. I mean it s really one of those things that I think well we all dread certainly someone who enjoys listening to music it s something I don t look forward to in the slightest So if we can learn something from from birds and particularly from these hours then we might be able to come up with a way to treat it good well I have here we all are and sank you let s say but have a go at some of your questions if if we know. Here s a question from from call in who says Can you tell us the current status not the on the Mars Curiosity rover and how long it s expected to live. Yeah so the most Curiosity rover is doing a fantastic job on Mars it s been there for about 5 years now I think. And. It s still roving around taking data drilling into little rocks and taking lots of measurements the thing that s going to limit its life it looks like is that the wheels are starting to get holes in them from running over a sharp rocks and. This is something that the team is monitoring very carefully getting the rover to take pictures of its own wheels and see how much these things are tearing up and the some limiting factor in that there s there s a sort of surface of the wheels and then there s like support structures in the wheels and the support structure so far are holding pretty well but there are lots of holes developing in the surface of the wheels and so basically that the rover has already been limited in its speed to slow down the amount of amount of wear and tear on the wheels and they ve done some changes to how the wheels work separately from each other to try and minimize the damage to the wheels but at some point probably what s going to happen is that some of the wheels are going to stop functioning so well and then it ll be difficult for the rover to move around so I m not sure how long that ll take I think that you know it s really hard to make predictions about how on these Rovers last you know the Opportunity rover has been functioning for something like a decade or longer than it was designed to so it s you know sometimes you get really lucky with these things and they just keep going and going it s kind of hard to predict from the outset what s going to cause the thing to ultimately fail or not but at the moment you know curiosity is still out there it s still going still sending back some amazing images and lots of data so you know keep watching it as long as it s out there but I think that I think that it will be the wheels ultimately that cause the problems. Well and was that what they anticipated that they that they know that that would be the the design flaw eventually. I mean that they they knew the wheels could get ripped up I think that the. The the way that it s happening is not exactly as expected I think that it s there they re getting a little bit more damage than they thought they would but. You know there was always a balance between the weight of the thing and the strength of the wheels and so on so I don t want to call it a design flaw it s already done a lot of really great stuff it s just that that s one of the sort of resources the rover has is the strength of its wheels and that will run out of actually good well it s a live blank Have you got any any sort of further thoughts on that no it was funny there are just so thinking what had you said earlier about feeling sad about about the Cassini loss and we really in imbue these little robots these little machines with so much character and personality which is probably helped by the fact that I have often have their own Twitter accounts and are pretty funny but I would always assume I did I did actually shed a tear at the moment the Cassini disappeared off. The signal disappeared and the same with the rope you know the rover we have this wonderfully romantic image of this little creature you know perambulating on the surface of Mars and it just captures the imagination so much and it s amazing how people get so interested in it and so attached to them Well the curiosity as well I mean the things going around taking selfies you know. So to get more person inside them. Well let s let s go back now about what would be going back 50 years actually to the the Apollo mission and just the very beginning of the Apollo mission the tragic deaths of Gus Grissom and the 2 other astronauts on the pad when Apollo one caught fire and there was no escape mechanism to get them out and they can Lancaster says With hindsight was it a genuine mistake to use pure oxygen on the Apollo one mission or was it genuine stupidity she says it haunts me to this day as I once worked on aircraft oxygen systems I was never comfortable using compressed oxygen because I was surrounded by oils and dust and possibly static and just really just that question I mean why would it why did they have to use pure oxygen Katie. You know I m not an expert on the mission I think that there were a lot of things in the Apollo program that were being figured out you know very much on the fly it was a sort of low budget race to try to get the stuff sorted out and there were probably places where corners were cut and there are probably places where they just it s not something that they had considered So I think you know I don t I don t think they use pure oxygen now I think that they have learned from that but you know it s in some ways it s kind of amazing the more people didn t die in the Apollo programs because there was so much that they d just never done before that never tried anything like it and they were just kind of trying things and see we ll see what works you know and there were a lot of situations where you know it could have gone wrong and it could have gone a lot worse than it did I mean just look at Apollo 13 the fact that everybody got home safely from that is amazing so. You know in hindsight yeah there are a lot of things that that could have been done better but I think that you know we have to take it into in the context of what they were trying to do and how quickly they were trying to do it and the fact that this was brand new at the time Senator exploration and discovery isn t it. Yeah I guess that s a challenge with particularly with really. It s. There s a lot of things that can kill you you know if you have a problem in your house or in a car you can kind of get out there s a business there s an environment you can exit into escape into. You know compatible with life I guess where is adding spice we don t have that luxury so yes Katie said it s kind of amazing that we haven t had more disasters recently had had more than often one would be great but it s I mean we re learning we re Risto we re always going to be learning and unfortunately sometimes with mistakes and accidents . Thank you thank you for that let s take a call now Richard s calling us from Bend fleetness Excel Richard hold. Just wanted to ask a question that might seem obvious if you re a scientist and what I mean but we always hear about you know since the dawn of time the Big Bang but what was it that went bang do we know about that. There s a matter of speaking Katie. Yeah I mean so this is an area of active research says that that s the phrase we use when when we really don t know for sure what we do know is that there was a time in the early universe when the universe was hot and dense and in some sense smaller than it is now and we know the universe has been expanding and cooling since that time. Going back to the very very beginning to the moment of you know everything starting is very hard to do we have this hypothesis that in the 1st moments in the 1st tiny fraction of a billionth of a 2nd there was this rapid expansion of the universe driven by something we don t understand we call that inflation and after inflation then you know the universe sort of went back to sort of more slow expansion and then and then there was the sort of fireball state when everything was hot and dense and then it started expanding in the way that it s expanding now so there s a few things that that we re pretty sure or we have good evidence that happened going to the very earliest moment the sort of the you know whatever cause the earliest expansion caused inflation to happen if it even did that is still something that we re trying to figure out there are a lot of different theories some involve sort of higher dimensional spaces and parallel universes some of them involve sort of creation out of nothing of this sort of singularity if it expands to be you know all of all of what we see. We really don t know that and this is we re still just trying to find clues trying to see if inflation really did happen and then trying to understand the physics of that so that we can figure out maybe what went before that but what we do know is that there was this time of this kind of fireball universe where everything was hot and dense and we know that partially because we can see we can see that very directly when we look far enough away we re looking into the past because light takes time to travel to us and we can see the light from that earliest sort of fireball state universe coming to us from every direction so we can so some of that light is still there still cooling off and so we can study that and learn a lot about the 1st you know few 100000000 years if you 100000 years of the universe and then we can we can dial out even farther back and learn about things that we think happened in the 1st tiny fractions of a 2nd but as for the very very beginning we re still we re still trying to figure that out and we may never know but we there are lots of theories and you know people in my line of work or are working hard on trying to test those theories Richard you want to come back on that do you have any thoughts of your own to give us a critic s explanation I would just have been saying you know when you were talking a minute ago about. Israel I keep hearing loss somewhat and this may be just thinking everybody talks I call it. Probably not so it s probably not so as a banker. And I think generally we all know everything gets quieter as we get all that which is I guess where that kind of old notion of you trumpet the old like I Why why why yelling ladder allowed us it s just not high profile I don t. I mean on our on our question I mean we are when when you hear audiologist talking the they all warn the because generations and I was taking things in the ears the way the old guys used to secure trumpets in the ears that there is going to be a lot more hearing loss is that is that generally accepted I would imagine so I mean noise pollution is a real thing it s a huge issue particularly in cities we know that it has detrimental effects on for example children s development those actually studies looking at kids who live close to very loud for example freeways or airports and things like that and shows that does actually have it can have a negative impact but you know in cities these days are incredibly noisy only if you imagine what a city would be like say $152.00 Well certainly before cars before jackhammers before any of these are very lound noises that we encounter on a daily basis. On cobbles my do well that s true you would have noise but you wouldn t have the degree of noise that we re exposed to traffic noise airplane noise even just the noise of music noise coming out from shops now you walk down a high street in your kind of your you know ears are assaulted I guess depending on what you taste in music a constantly and assaulted by noise and it s it is a real issue I think for a modern living and presumably does have consequences as we get older but you re right we are listening to music more intensely we listen to it in through earphones or headphones all the time constantly assaulting our poor delicate sensory hassles and maybe they will over time become tougher but the mayster changes take a lot longer than 150 years. Well Richard thanks for the call and let s let s proceed with a question from Will in Atlanta in Georgia he says how fast a by going all told combining the rotation of the planet orbits around the sun the solar system s rotation the galaxies retain and the movement of the galaxy through space how fast my going while I m in quotes standing still. Yeah so. It depends on the time of year actually because sometimes the motion of the earth is more in the same direction as the motion of the sun through the galaxy and sometimes it s less so I don t know what the speed is right now it also depends on where on the earth you are because if you are closer to the pool you re going around you re rotating on the earth more slowly and if you re closely equator you re rotating around on the earth more quickly. One thing that is kind of cool is that so so Ok so we re we re on there there s a spinning the earth is going around the Sun and The Sun itself is orbiting around the center of the galaxy and the motion of the sun through this and through through the galaxy is something like 220 kilometers per 2nd so we re going really fast as as we go around the galaxy you know millions of years 220 kilometers per 2nd that we re moving sort of toward the direction of the constellation Cygnus. As we go through the galaxy so so certain times of year the Earth is is adding a little bit to that so that motion because the earth you know that sort of the direction the. Direction of the earth goes around the sun is not in the same plane as the way that the galaxy moves around the sun or moves around the galaxy so it s tilted by something like 60 degrees so in I guess close to June those motions add together a bit and close to December they subtract a bit but I would have to have to get out some kind of paper and work it out to tell you exactly how quickly they re moving right now but probably the motion around the galaxy of that 220 kilometers per 2nd it s the the dominant thing that s the dominant thing but as he has a go all of variables about right I mean he said you know the rotation of the planet the op. Right in the sun the solar system rotating galaxy rotating and the movement of the outside but you say the movement the got say pretty much overwhelms everything else in terms of well the sun of the sun through the galaxies so the sun and all the other stars in the galaxy are moving around the center of the galaxy so we re in this disc of other stars and although all the stars in the disc are sort of going around in a circle around the center of the galaxy and most of the stars in the disk are going about the same speed around the center of the galaxy and that s a Around 220 kilometers per 2nd and then there are there are other stars in the galaxy that are in different kinds of orbits but mostly the stars are going around the center at around that speed and our sun is in the disk of the galaxy moving around within the disk around the center of the galaxy and then you know so the sun is moving and then the Earth is orbiting around the sun on a different plane so tilted with respect to the Galaxy and then you know we re we re sitting on the earth and the earth the spinning so all of those things kind of together in different ways depending on where you are on the earth and the time of year so it s kind of hard to add up in terms of how the galaxy is moving that s a tricky question because. Then you have to define sort of a reference frame you have to define where things are sitting still and that s not an easy thing to do in the universe because speed is relative and if you you know if you sit on another galaxy and look at our galaxy and say which direction that s moving it depends on which direction you think that you re galaxy is moving so. The larger scales it gets complicated and harder to define motion but in terms of just motion around a center those are the main ones you. So much of what you say a great question will thank you very much but the idea that we could actually just consciously slow down by going to Iceland or they Arctic Circle or something is a fabulous where you stand ice. Well with that thought let s take a little break it s just after half past 3. 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Chief executive Martin Glen decided there were issues with some scenes actions when I read the full report that just last week the issue became one of Mark s conduct and it s really around the boundary between a player and a coach on reading that report I felt that what I saw was incompatible with the standards that we expect for someone to work at the f.a. So the issues about his conduct the standards of fairness to set former Sunderland player an editor she kicks magazine Jeno Neil believe Samson isn t the only one who should be held accountable to us where there doesn t seem to be any Well everybody believes that you know I guess lots one of them in a sense is well this should have been investigated properly from the outset this. Should be more openness and more honesty about this I guess that possibly other people of all Association should. E.f.l. 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Yes sir they they couldn t see that the planet this is so it s a neat discovery because it s this planet that s a lot darker just a lot blacker than they expected and what they were doing is they were watching as this planet was orbiting at Star and so this is a way of detecting planets called the transit technique where the planet orbits the star and sometimes it comes in front of the star from our perspective so blocks out a little bit of the star light so we see a little dip in that Starlight and that s all we know the planet is there but one things you can do is if the planet has you know it s bright enough on its own then when the planet goes on the other side and goes behind the star you might be able to see a little bit of a drop of the of the light then too because you know ordinarily just before the planet goes behind it starts adding a little bit to the brightness of the stark as it s reflecting some of the light from the star and then when it goes behind you lose that and in this case the there was so little drop in the starlight when the planet went behind it it showed that the planet was just extremely extremely black like much darker than than other planets that have been found and so. It s kind of an interesting. And interesting find because this is a planet that s very very close to its star it s known as a hot Jupiter so it s something sort of Jupiter mass but very close to the star and it s so close that the shape of it is distorted by being too close to the star and somehow the atmosphere of the planet is is sort of my eyes by the starlight and it keeps it really really dark and so it s it s this incredibly sort of dark sort of hot you know incinerated world. Kind of intriguing from the point of view of of being you know sort of very weird very unpleasant place in the universe absolutely of course and there was me stupidly wondering well why is it so black but it. It s carbonized or something of the sort because it s so well star Yeah I mean not exactly because it doesn t have a solid surface it s not like a rock because it s so big it s like a Jupiter sized thing so it s made of mostly hydrogen and helium at least for the outer parts of it but it s it s like the gas is ainus and it just absorbs all of the light basically so that gas is just it s just very absorbent of the light and doesn t can t form the kind of clouds that we see on Jupiter and stuff that makes this sort of beautiful patterns it s so hot that it s just this you know sort of I don t know just soaks in the light and doesn t it doesn t reflect much of it so it s kind of counterintuitive because it is the sort of big gassy thing like the like the planets in our sources because it s so close it s the gases altered and doesn t have those like beautiful structures and reflective clouds and it s also the planet a sort of egg shaped because it s so close to the star that it s being sort of pulled by the star and so it s a very weird place but well let s take a call from David in the hitch and I m going to steer this towards Bianca just just for a change just to give. Up far I think the quantum physics was already Ok this is David who s calling us from Hitchens and Harvard shareholder David. Did you say Bianca Yes yes indeed. We anchor. Hi there. How interested when I 1st switched out your program I heard you mention something about auctioning spice and being able to break section I think that was was spoken of. But I m thinking is actual. If you are in a spaceship as we call it. You use our oxygen you don t have to put it through scrub which is honest and it s a kind of a soda line which removes the. Carbon carbon dioxide as I understand it is one common action attaching to 2 option as well making them unusable for force. And it strips of the carbon and then it released now to my mind I m thinking does it come a point where the spaceflight you can no longer stiff enough carbon off when you re literally going out. Or does it actually. All we capable of continuing for many years is by ship. Constantly reusing and we using and we using my thoughts are towards the the hopeful possibility of the settlements. Good question I mean I suspect Kay probably has some influence on this one as well but I mean my Yeah obviously right about this cover moves the c o 2 I don t I didn t realize that they do then split that into carbon and reuse the oxygen all that would make sense but yes they will come a point at which they won t be enough I guess it s not a completely closed system but. I would imagine that there will be a number of ways in which we can then produce oxygen again from men for example you know from water splitting water into hydrogen oxygen so I would guess that they will be and number of technological solutions to ensure that long term spaceflight and settlement some of the planets where the there s not a kind of breathable atmosphere they will be ways chemical methods to produce produce and off oxygen to support life I guess also when you start getting to the settlement question if we do get to the quite where we do actually colonize another planet the moon or Mars a wherever we end up. That s when I guess when we become settled enough we could start looking at creating kind of you know bios the is when we do make use of the same systems on earth that provide us with oxygen I went troops and plants so I was there they were going to be so many more complexities around being able to grow terrestrial plants in a in an alien environment but it s really the most logical way for us to produce oxygen to kind of clean the atmosphere because we re contributing ASIO to the plants until that they use the carbon to grow they put out the oxygen so it s a really nice diddle cycle but how that works on a long spaceflight for example to Mars I imagine there are some very smart brains that are and a Space Agency that and in Russia of course dependent who are looking into this question at the moment so that s probably best probably about the limit of my knowledge on this one but I don t of Katie has been in science. Yes so I know for for them our stuff there s something being tested on one of the upcoming Mars missions called the instruments called Moxie and what it does is is prates it s meant to create. Oxygen from from the air on on the planet so there s there will be we are developing systems that should be able to produce breathable oxygen as you said also you can break water apart and get oxygen from that so it s something that when we think about long term living on other worlds it s definitely something we have to think about Fortunately the environment and the atmosphere of Mars give us a couple of opportunities for creating the stuff that we need so there s a lot of water ice under the surface on Mars and the atmosphere can be can be altered you know it all in a small local system to create some breathable air so it s there are some good possibilities for Mars in terms of a long term spaceflight you need to bring a lot of that stuff with you if you have plants that helps a lot or I ll do your sometimes but but that s again it s a problem that people are definitely working on and there are some really interesting projects to try to solve those problems. Good well. Yes very. Very good summation of what I ve been asking. Asimov. To sign such as left handed electron which you may or may not know about and reading something from Heinlein and Hume I will not. Cite 5 items were often used a little bit real science in those Mike stories more believable than my so now would be just this one simple thing helping is simple that because of the. Pressures of being in space. If you breathe oxygen nitrogen you can get. Not enough houses and therefore they introduce helium into the next instead. Of helium of course is a very difficult gas to find in 1st place in comparison to mothers so. Have we continued further down the line or has what I ve been speaking about truth in what happens in space time right. Now when I actually had no idea. There was some kind of science science experts were scratching their heads David I think. But we ve we ve we ve enjoyed the trip thank you very much for for the question thank you so much you ve been very kind to me thank you bye bye and. I think in the wake of Cassini a 2nd question really from Scott in Bridgewater he says How long before another probe sent to Saturn or maybe to Enceladus any ideas. Unfortunately we don t know there s there s been proposals in the works for a long time maybe sending something to tighten there s been a proposal to send a little boat to explore the seas of Titan the Titan is the largest moon of Saturn it has these seas of methane and thing and sort of bizarre landscape where the rocks are made of water ice and in the water you know the liquid is made of of hydrocarbons so it s this really fascinating place that has you know clouds and rain and everything. And so there s been lots proposals to send something there to to explore the surface a bit more the Cassini mission had a lander that landed on Titan called the Hogans lander but there s nothing currently funded in the works right now there s something going to Jupiter in a little while called Juice. There might be something going to Europa the Europa clipper which is a moon that s a moon of Jupiter in terms of Saturn s a so it s a little unclear exactly when we might get back there hopefully get something in the works soon but it will probably be a while well seeing other question from a caller know and this is that something to do I think with with the moons that people say one might sustain life Peter s calling us from our Summerland Hello Peter Ludlow Dr Lee It is no bearing in mind the 1st rid your station is really reducing those waves and I was. Traveling through Spears how dear yet reached what could be regarded that of planets a habitable planet was for Peter was saying there. Well so we ve been sending out radio signals in terms of just you know ambient radio noise from our planet for a very long time and there s a planet in the Alpha Centauri system that could be could sustain life potentially we don t know so that s only 4 light years away or so there are lots of planets within the range of. You know the oldest transmissions radio transmissions so there could be you know lots of planets that might be habitable that could potentially pick up our radio transmissions but because it will have sent focus transmissions that many places it s kind of hard to say but I have a live reply just very polite. Well it s a big question. There s no there s no guarantee that other you know life in the universe there since to the radio build build receivers and transmitters you know there are lots of possibilities but there are plenty of them that are within my ranch there are plenty of planets that we consider to be potentially habitable Yeah better not terribly far away but we don t know if there s life on any of those or not we can t all at the moment but I knew very much thank you Peter your bike. This is from someone else what is the NASA Project Orion by. Living as a. So believer in is a new. A new kind of spacecraft that they re trying to build that potentially could go to Mars and you know other sort of deep space missions so there are those sort of at the moment we have the capability to go to near earth orbit or but I mean now so doesn t have that capability at the moment they restore retired the space shuttle so the getting up to near earth orbit is done with the Soyuz spacecraft and there are a number of organizations working to build new. Spacecraft that might be able to go farther so you know space x. Is working on this I think Lou origin is working on something that might work for that. Ryan is what NASA as developing to try to. Get farther so they re working on a spacecraft that could potentially go to Mars and that s that s what they run spacecraft is but it s still very much in development and I satisfy things made. Just I was going to say because NASA swiped and a whole lot of things that never really got off the drawing board hasn t it well I mean this one you know they re making quite a lot of progress on this they ve done a lot of you know tests of you know how the crew gets out of the spacecraft they ve tested some of the launch vehicles and things but it s you know. In a lot of things in space travel you know it s going to come down to funding is is the u.s. Government going to give NASA enough funding to create this spacecraft to actually send it somewhere that s always a big question especially with things like Mars missions you know every couple years the u.s. Government all say yes we re going to go to Mars and then you know you don t hear anything for a while so who does. Right. This is saying this is and forgive me I think it s Richard the milkmen who says how and I asked that we take enough water for a long space voyage bearing in mind how heavy it is to make Water think well what exactly the point is you do and do the anchor you just keep it going yeah. Yeah that that would be my understanding that I mean I guess what is probably a little bit. Easier to contain on a space flight but yes every everything would would be recycled as much as possible I mean I particularly International Space Station where they re up to such long periods of time. The amount of white it would require just to get that water for up from Earth would be phenomenal so. Again I m sure they d be a way of manufacturing it if we needed to although that s probably getting to the edge of my kind of chemistry background but but yes recycling it s a very sealed environment so more she would be required and also you don t really want what a lot of moisture flying around inside is they scrubbed as well so there d be a lot of ways of capturing that recycling and purifying it to be used again it s also it s also true that water can be really good shielding from radiation so some long distance which is might want to have a lot of water along those shielding from solar flares and things like that. People in Crawley won t stop by the gravitational wave detectors as that are we talking about the Large Hadron Collider here he says is the average cost paragraph tehsil wave detected no below $100000000000.00 I think that might be slightly critical of the of the Elysee unless I m back at the wrong tree. So those are they re different they re different projects so the Large Hadron Collider is a particle collider in Switzerland and it does a lot of really amazing things studying particle physics the gravitational waves are detected by an instrument called like 0 which is 2 detectors in the us that work together to look for gravitational waves and there s also a detector called Virgo that s an Italian project that s joining them. I don t know how much you go to Chanel webs cost to detect I know that it s one of the most precise measurements that s ever been done by humanity in terms of trying to measure the tiny changes that you need to look for to find gravitational waves but these I mean gravitational waves are just some of the most amazing things that we can find I mean these are ripples in the fabric of space itself that can tell us about black holes colliding in the distant universe it can and it s and over time it s going to tell us a lot about how galaxies form how stars die potentially we can learn about just explosions that we see in the universe with regular light that might that might be formed by neutron stars colliding I mean it s really a whole new window on the universe so you know these experiments are often very expensive but in terms of gravitation waves the scientific return on it is going to be really amazing over time it s already been incredible and the technology return is pretty huge too there s been a lot of technology to be developed in order to make these incredibly precise detectors you know laser technology materials science mirrors vacuums all sorts of really interesting things so I think it s a very good investment I don t know exactly how much we ve put into it but I think it s pretty good. I may direct this one to Bianca This is from Shelley and Aucklander New Zealand. And bring it back to you to Katie what causes the ass to move on it s access to cause the seasons why is the movement and timing so concept. And what stops it from continuing to tip. Well I guess they the rotation of the earth has. Been there from its very formation my understanding the formation of planets is that in general you have a high spending disco or a spinning kind of bowl of dust and rock and gas it s slowly kind of coalesces and gravity kind of sucks and sticks it together so I think that rotation would have been there for from the very start. Whether it s going to tip over I ve actually have no idea when the pain that went to Katie. So in this case the consistency of the rotation of the earth has to do with the angular momentum so like when you spin a top. It stays you know standing up and maybe it sort of. Twists around a little bit very slowly and that s that s more or less what the Earth is doing it does it does sort of twist around a little bit very slowly and changes the axis of rotation does move a little over hundreds of years but but the spinning is as Bianca said just come from the formation of the planet in the early solar system and it does change over time the spin the axis of rotation changes a little bit over time because of this sort of procession and the speed of the spinning is slowing down over a very long period of time so the days are getting a little bit longer although it s going to take a long time before it s anything noticeable. Thank you thank you for the thought and Thank you Shelly for for that question and really it brings us to the end of our program a very very frequently expressed opinion on our text from Sean in East London why try to call dies a new planet when we have the most beautiful planet here and it s full of life we may have to content ourselves with that until until next week but I guess Kate he would say well let s not stop trying. I think we should keep seeing what we can find in. Case he. Asked a physicist and integrating science journalist started I thank you both so much. Thank you. Sis. For a part comes from the. Rescue effort goes on after the earthquake in Mexico and. Rescuers in Mexico City are trying to reach at least 3 people they believe are still alive under the rubble of a school that collapsed during Tuesday s earthquake at least 21 children died when the building came down many of those remain unaccounted for so in a daughter I have been left with only the clothes they were standing in we got the height of the school with the party people like it was that place but other things like today where you get books and the whole like to look at in a matter of a minute is also quite shocking and loving that you know there are still people like pretty still in the building a 6th arrest being made by police. Investigating the terror attack at Parson s Green station on the London Underground last week of the say a 17 year old boy was detained just after midnight in Thornton Heath in south London Puerto Rico has been left completely without power after being battered by Hurricane Maria the Caribbean island was hit by winds of up to 140 miles an hour as the storm moved across it. Is a NASA scientist what we re doing is we re observing the storm in many different ways to understand the intense rain that is expected and it s falling in Puerto Rico $12.00 to $18.00 inches in some areas but up to $25.00 we re seeing a lot of the rivers flooding and with all of the difference we have satellites we re getting a better handle on the impact dangerous driving laws could be extended to cover cyclists the government starting move you into where the new specific legislation is needed for causing death by careless or dangerous cycling. Public Health England is going to encourage smokers to use the cigarettes to help them quit it will be the 1st time they ve been actively recommended and comes despite warnings from the health watchdog that there s not enough evidence on the harms and benefits researchers at the University of London say the rate of people stopping smoking in the 1st 6 months of this year was the highest in a decade Professor Robert West co-wrote the study is cigarettes are probably not completely harmless I think that would be sad to say you re still getting nicotine which has some effects and your breathing in particles into the lungs but by comparison with smoking it s really you know order of magnitude less home for the consumer group Which has written to manufacturers of fridges and freezers ask them to stop making them with fireproof backs which is also advising customers to stop buying them in some circumstances it says they can be dangerous but fridge or freezer fires very rare Here s our personal finance portable Milligan which looked at $500.00 freezers and fridges on sale and found that about half of them do not have flame retardant back panels but they re obviously millions of appliances like this already in our homes nevertheless which says there s no need to recall all of those it s just you shouldn t buy a new one on the other hand the industry has said there s no need for panic as everything sold here at his to strict safety standards the b.b.c. Has learned that a group of Ryanair pilots has rejected a cash bonus to work extra days after the airline cancelled more than 2000 flights because it messed up crew holidays the pilots say they want new contracts and better working conditions instead let s get the sport now with the football associations chief executive Martin Glenn says he feels very positive with the way the governing body has handled Mark Samson s dismissal as England manager the f.a. Of sack Samson due to actions they consider incompatible with the standards they expect Manchester United are through to the 4th round of the a.f.l. Cup But Joe is a merino believes English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was removed holders United travel to swans in the 4th round a full list of all ties is available on the b.b.c. Sport website and app. Chris Froome is at the bronze in the world championships time trial to his historic taught affronts and while to respond you double England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal that the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international later today join our Test Match Special Team from 1215 and despite breaking his leg in 2 places 3 weeks ago 9 time moto g.p. Champion Valentino Rossi will compete in Spain this weekend this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital on the smartphone and tablet breaks of rain continuing across Northern Ireland Scotland and Wales as well as West and northern parts of England today the rest of England staying mostly drawing breezy then expect heavy rain and 3 winds later they ll move across from the west to the southeast by tonight brighter though for Northern Ireland temperatures up to 14 degrees in Belfast today and the same in Manchester to cross each day Welcome back to the transition called Morning on Am and f.m. Around the u.k. On digital and on line and Roger shot work on Paul 8 and in this hour of the program we re going to hear why the Indian government stores problems with black market the black economy. Generally speaking. And also talk to their far prime minister of Denmark who is now the chief executive of Save the Children about the desperate situation of so many people fleeing across the border from Dharma into Bangladesh the children especially and the lack of opportunities for refugee children to go to school which is reaching this crisis course. Well the latest figure that the Mexican authorities are giving for the number of fatalities in they ask quake in Mexico and choose Day is 230 rescue efforts are continuing including one primary school where more than 20 children are now known to have died but there have been some rescues there too I spoke to Raphael Gonzales from the Mexican Red Cross and his words are spoken through isn t tapped or Claudia is. We want to tell you that at this time the priority. Remains that rescue brigades. Are still at the place where the buildings collapsed and. Yet. They are still searching for bodies or survivors under the collapsed telling you. That for the people. Mexican that crashes right now are. Wrecking the dunderhead 30 ambulances. And 30. Rescue units. We have are around a $1500.00. U m t s working on site. 100 of them specialists. Rescue of buildings and structures. I mean. They re working tirelessly right now because this is our priority at this time do you have help from the Mexican army in saying that I m on a mission yes of course actually working. I mean. Working in coordination with the Mexican army and the Navy. We re working with the Air Force. With the Marines. And the Army. Aside from other. Imagine she teaches and. I mentioned emergency. Instances How does this quake compare with the terrible ass quake of 1985 and 4 I mean it is completely different. At those times that time of the water we really didn t have an organization like we have right now. Do you a lot of the support right now back then was found. Like from those it really I m sorry. But there s something very important that I would like to tell you. A little birdie 2 years ago Mexicans. We were able to to go to. Good. Question. And this is not going to be the exception. All Mexicans are united and they have been supporting. A. 2 humanitarian aid. Turning like. Like Ike everything that they need and putting on shows. In the fashion. In the disaster. Brigades that I mentioned before where do you face the biggest challenges which which part of the outer quake zone as is the hardest hit with the biggest challenges right now. How do the necessary tools. Like the lights. When you shut off and. The people that are trapped under his collapsed our national interest that we have fundamental problems . And this is the biggest challenge we have at the time and are you aware of help coming from overseas from abroad. This is a decision. From the federal authorities and only just. That they call on international help. Using in order to receive international help a man in the same time we would have to. Receive. The request of the Federal Government us centric cross we would need to have a request from the federal government. To call us unless it is. Call on those instances should the international federation that isn t a. Direct question for a change international society. And movements of innocent girl at this time of year we have some governments. That have reached out. To our 1st shower. There and. Would that include the British government would that include the government of the United States I think this is a woman I don t have that information at this time but. This is day they are hard for you all are you are you going to get through this are you going to be Ok like I said before the. Very very united. We were very we are united on this ng and on these types of tragedies and we become stronger and we prevail. Is. That is the type of unity that Mexican people have always shown is this American. This is the way that we re going to get through this. Rafael Gonzalez s director of communications for the Mexican Red Cross and his words there were spoken by his colleague Claudia Well David a grin as freelance journalist the Mexico City and he s been out today seeing a lot of these amazing rescue attempts David hello again Hi Good to be with you could have you again. Where you go to this primary school that you go down there yeah I was it was. It was an interesting. In interesting experience out there partly be it in because it just the desperation of the situation. You know talking talking to all the rescue workers what you would seen is is how it. Is just in talking to them what they would talk within say is how the building was 4 floors and it just collapsed to use their words like a pancake and the we you could tell it was a really really difficult rescue operation going on. You know one thing that s been happening when you re there as a reporter it seems like you re you re not quite getting it is as good as the cable t.v. Just based on their camera angle where they ve been able to put cameras all around the zone we were we got you know close as mourning but not maybe as close as we like and it seemed like a lot of the information that was coming out was a little bit. Uncertain and there was this talk that the 2 groups the 2 girls in school had rescued that turned out to be not true but there were 2 girls that were . Alive and then there were there was a story that there were 4 children that had been. That were in there a 6 year old and then some $3.00 to $3.00 adolescents and. One of the adolescent had survived by being under a marble table and that was apparently strong stuff and then you know the Army was like. We re saying well actually there s. They re using heat sensing technology so that that that meant that they they came across with the came across 5 people and urgent school in the Navy said Well there s actually 4 we ve been able to give them water and then there s there is this citizen group called the topas which is a special mall and they they burrow through. The rubble to go and don t use any missionary to rescue people and they said well we felt we think therefore we are for people but we don t know if they re alive or dead such as seems like. It just seems like the information is it s sort of uncertain but in a lot of ways it s rep finding children at this school would represent hope and I think that s something that the city really should use I think I mean that. Like one of them at least that seemed to show a girl being been brought out of the school you know through some kind of a crack or something yeah you know I just kind of I just was on the way back and I understand you know that they re they re saying yes that you know she s. The girl is a yes the girl is alive. You know it s their names through to Sophia She s 12 years old. You know they are saying that she s alive. But it s not quite. A story we re not a 100 percent sure if she s if she s not been pulled out but what s happened is is that there are. Other rescue operations of the 70 year old fella for example is an office building that was. Coming today he survived it and it was pulled out of the rubble so there have been these these sort of these disheartening rescue efforts throughout the city and also some you know one thing that I saw at the school today was just there were so many people arriving with wheelbarrows shovels and pick axes and hard hats and even doctors would show up and everybody wanted to work but there was just already. There was just already so many people there between hundreds of soldiers and also the this group the top was the citizen rescue squad so it s just that they ended up getting so many release the supplies. That they took and they sent it off to the mothers they called morals. And. That s where that. Was to say that it does a bit of that s where the epicenter was sort of down in that direction so as I said it s seems like the response has been that s been the heartening part of this earthquake but as far as you know the the information we have it s really. At times it just seems uncertain even the decisional death toll has been changing throughout the day. Just politically and no to change tack completely but sure in the 85 earthquake the government was strongly criticized for not doing enough and there was a thought the pre the then ruling party suffered because of that and they never really regain support. Mr Pena Nieto doing well you just just before we spoke he went on to that you want on national television and you know give an update thanked you know all the volunteers for running out supporting you know mention that for example electricity is back on in all the of the affected areas that s gushing quite an accomplishment. There is the a Mexico City International Airport is. Up and running people are being attended to at the government at government clinics He day will be there will be full you know there were rescue efforts in southern Mexico chakras and hot in the states that were hit badly on September 7th of this quake he s the you know he s he s going on television every night sees news making himself. Noticed. And that s one thing that the politicians are doing know that I think they recognize that there has to be there to has to be a response or else people will judge them harshly as you mention 1009 $105.00 was when then President be a limit there it. Really was the government was just paralyzed so people had to fend for themselves and people really took actions into their own hands and formed rescue squads these distance group that goes through the rubble the got the top post that s a group that s where they started they were READY there was there were these apartments that collapsed and they these people just weren t getting much help so they started going in there themselves and now they do this around the world soaps you re seeing and this incredible citizen response in in addition to the government . But of course if sort of an opinion at that it s less than often the president sees a 20 less than 20 percent in the polls somewhat tagged with tarred by corruption scandals and you know I think he. From what I can tell he s doing a proper job it s just that. It s really hard to see how he or any other political figure in this country could really. Write a good earthquake response to back back to prominence because I think too many people are there s just been because of the citizen outpouring I think that if anyone s going to get the credit it s going to be ordinary people. David good to speak to you again yes I m sorry and yeah I think that it s really true I was still full of the dread of last night I really think I got to sleep so but it s going to be with you Well it s good to have you thank you Ok let s just by the way we ll be bringing you some news in the next half hour we re still having difficulty getting through to Puerto Rico which is completely blacked out and the bad news is that the National Hurricane Center says that some strength of Hurrican Maria is forecasting the next day or 2 and it could regain major hurricane status by Thursday it is currently blowing off Puerto Rico and north of the Dominican Republic so that s not good news if it s forecast to strengthen again well the government of India is promising How many times we heard this to boost the economy and particularly they re concerned about the black economy I ve been speaking to our poll that struggle tandem. It s not growing as fast as it was you know a few years ago we were talking about the potential of India looking at double digit growth now we ve had the slowest growth in 3 years when it comes to g.d.p. 1st time it s fallen below 6 percent and I think beyond the monetize ation with the bringing in of this new tax system which we re all attempts to clamp down on on India s cash economy it has had a massive impact on the country because the cash economy whether people like it or not is such a substantial part of the main economy on the other hand draw do you have people who say look you cannot have these 2 parallel economies in India where on the one hand you have people who pay tax then on the other hand the other vast majority who don t it s not possible with the sort of reforms that India needs to move forward in terms of health education you know clean water better toilet facilities the government can t do that unless people pay taxes and that s what the debate is about the moment that there is an accountant in Calcutta he says the government have to do something to tackle the black economy too many people have too much money which is not accounted for and they re very scared of what delusions we are being told that you must have enough cash someone dumped 2 sacks full of Norths no water in says it but the mindset that I will not give it to anyone nobody should know it s my money but I have it so the total economy has a huge huge amount of black money and I suppose funds busy at the moment people desperately trying to find ways to research some of that black money some people have approached me and I think the best we do advise them is to is the straightforward legal advice which does not make them really happy. Oh dear well it s a huge education for the innocent to the prime ministers tried. You know cutting off small notes from circulation and that was a bit of a. Drug wasn t really who was so so what next Yeah I think this is this is where I think for the 1st time Mr Modi s government seems to be struggling a little bit on this issue and this seems to be within the government circles itself an acceptance now that these haven t really helped the economy and that the government maybe has to do something to try and we stimulated I mean whether that means you know lowering interest rates so that people can borrow money at cheaper rates and there s a problem with the banks themselves at the moment that they have enough cash but you know if you listen to India s Finance Minister Irene Jet Li today you get a sense as you can hear now in the clip that they sort of looking around trying to think of something. Coming out of parts of the government. Monitor pollution too and I m leaving the press conference. I m going to probably. Basically said I can t say anything but we re thinking about it. Exactly but I think what was important was it was one of the 1st times that the government accepted that there is a problem in the economy that things are not moving as they should be moving so I think in that way it s significant that they ve managed to finally accept what a lot of people have been saying for a long time now we ll have to wait and see how they re going to stimulate it again in a construct we talk about this a lot and up all night India has a huge challenge ahead of it you know a country of 1300000000 people you need to be creating millions and millions of jobs every year and that s not happening at the moment and that could lead to severe problems in India in the next 2030 s. Now definitely allied to this is the idea of trying to trademark more Indian stuff up to now or suppose India s role or you know private enterprise economy doesn t encourage the use of trademarks as it. Not really not really not a tall and you know there will be people who look at India as we see this push on the issue of intellectual property. With some skepticism saying well you know India and India is part of a country where lots of ideas from other parts of the world have been copied but we are seeing it I mean you know in Kolkata recently we had the trademark of the mother to raise a sari and I think that was important because it was significant in the terms of I think many Indians are now looking at products that they consider to be Indian you know being one of them and fearing that people in other parts of the world matching the trademark them if they don t do it soon Sandeep Roy is one of India s leading writers this is what he says to say he says India is trying to protect lots of different things I think in India we always had a very loose idea of intellectual property what has happened you know in cases like this people have suddenly seen that what was intellectually Commons in India is trying to be made into intellectual property elsewhere in the world that somebody in the West might then create a patent involving the healing properties of turmeric So I think people are walking up to the fact that your cultural heritage can easily be used up by someone else and turned into intellectual property that then you have to pay for in order to use it was pretty grim give us a couple of examples if you could. Well I think you know me one of them you know there was this idea that power yoke was something that could be paid into it outside India. Needs is another sort of herbal product in India that they sort of being worried about people outside India managing to get get hold of that in Peyton thing some of the qualities that are associated with it Darjeeling tea is a big issue at the moment because India says a lot of things that are being sold as dealing t. In countries like the u.k. I m not so they want to trademark on that and of course in the past we had bought some of the rice so you know it is something that is growing but as I said before I think other countries will look at India and say well hang on a minute you want to Peyton stuff that you think is an important part of your culture stopping some of the stuff that part of the. Sun spends less and less time in the sky hold a lot of people are thinking about the winter cricket season and far claims What s it looking like in the of this winter. It started I mean India already have played Australia I think it s a fascinating contrast to last year when India played 13 Test matches in their home season including 5 against England this year they re playing $23.00 matches but only 3 of them a Test match is. Leading coaching call cut it he says they should be a lot more but I think it s about 7 or 8 minutes I think you have one again so we could opposition 3 Test matches if you have a full 5 bases against South Africa or in England what do you want to say you want this cricket but you also want competition you don t want a weak side match for the shoot through an Arby s that could be even more so we need to have even teams playing longer versions and longer Test matches but is this market driven Rahul is there a reason why there aren t enough Test matches to go. I think so I mean look at a younger generation they re very much in the t 20 the i.p.l. But there are things that the board can be doing that I think they are I mean last year some test matches were packed because they put them in venues where traditionally they don t see much cricket like indoor yet 80000 people who turned up for that particular test match in the really nice to make a movement on the day night Test matches as well unless they take the steps are on there is a real danger that the longer format of the game may die out in India look I ve been out on the mat dance asking people there do you like t 20 your Test matches between the shot and take it full on King I like to join you could get more because it is fun playing even to watch you doing to Test matches is very long lead time because you need to manage studies and cricket in order to want to finish and that everything is instant Can you get the youngsters back into Test cricket or is it too late have they got too much of that t 20 up between They ve got too much of the 20 they maybe didn t want to attend or match or some stuff like that but. I think the key word there was fun wasn t it. I think so I think and also Roger you know the experience of watching Test cricket in India I have to be honest it s not fun you know you go to a Test match here in the u.k. Or you go in Australia or you go to South Africa you can take your drinks and you can take your food and it s not just about the cricket is a whole experience in India you can t take anything in not even a bottle of water the grounds are still not in the greatest condition and they have these big fences which means if you re at the front you can t see anything so I think India has to do a lot more to make Test matches attractive to you know a younger generation who are a lot because you have a lot of study pressures and you have to say you have to entice them back into the ground at the moment it s not happening. That show who have passed for. Relief from me on this is b.b.c. 5 Live and b.b.c. News comes from Williams readily emergency workers in Mexico are trying to reach at least 3 people they believe are still alive under the rubble of a school that collapsed during Tuesday s earthquake at least $21.00 children have died and over $200.00 people were thought to have been killed across the country but the Rico has been a completely without power after being battered by Hurricane Maria the Caribbean island was hit by winds of up to 140 miles an hour as the storm moved across it a 6th arrests being made by police investigating the bomb attack at Parsons Green station on the London Underground last week Officers say a 17 year old boy was detained just after midnight at Thornton Heath in south London and public health England s going to encourage smokers to use a cigarettes to help them quit it will be the 1st time they ve been actively recommended and comes despite warnings from the health watchdog that there s not enough evidence on the harms and benefits Tom gale has the sport the football associations chief executive Martin Glen says he feels very positive with the way the governing body has handled Mark Samson s dismissal as England manager the f.a. Of sack Samson due to actions they consider incompatible with the standards they expect Manchester United are through to the 4th round of the e.f.l. Cup But Joe is a merino believes English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was removed holders United travel to swans in the 4th round a full list of all ties is available on the b.b.c. Sport website and app. Chris Froome is at the bronze in the world championships time trial to a historic top to France and while to respond you double England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal that the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international later today join our Test Match Special Team from 1215 and despite breaking his leg in 2 places 3 weeks ago 9 time moto g.p. Champion Valentino Rossi will compete in Spain this weekend this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital online the smartphone and sound that good morning in Atlanta where the system to work dates and all the knowledge yesterday hasn t mentioned made much progress eastwards across the u.k. At the moment they will take that rain away from Northern Ireland quite quickly this morning the rest of us will see a spell of rain at some stage of the day start though in Northern Ireland vengefully the rain will clear away from eastern counties it will brighten up we ll see some sunshine coming through but it will be a scattering of hidden mess heavy showers developing especially into the afternoon Scotland that right will be quite heavy this morning particularly into Southwest Scotland it will spread further east of those parts that are starting to draw on lingering northeast Scotland into the evening was elsewhere by evening most of his in Scotland will be drawing up in the per the West you are a bit of sunshine before the end of the day on the west coast of Western Isles you could see the odd heavy shower in England and Wales will start in Wales and Western England here there will be some heavy burst of brain around this morning spreading further east across England as the day goes on but East Anglian southeast England probably not seeing much rain at all until we get into this evening for much of Wales and Western England though it will turn dry as the afternoon goes on the sun starts to come out you may catch the order right shall developing once again now for particularly for coastal parts of Wales and southwest England a century after the rains gone will be turning trying through the afternoon temperatures today a bit of a range most of us around $13.00 to $16.00 Celsius but for those parts that take long is to get the rain that s north and east. Yorkshire through eastern England into southeast England around 17 to 20 Celsius and perhaps as high as 21 degrees frankly so some rain eventually this evening for the rest of your southeast things stays dry by tide them over night it will be chilly air tonight but Apache mist and fog around by morning are going to be looking at more rain coming back into northern parts of the back I spoke to him in $45.00 Premier League countries are media and. The news police investigating the explosive device that was partially detonated on a Tube train at Parsons Green in London last week have made a 6th arrest and 5 lives sure Clarkson s here to tell us. What can you tell us about it no oh well this all Rod relates to that homemade bomb that went off partially exploded on a Russian a district line underground train as you say it passes Green Station on Friday morning that injured 30 people in total over the last few hours the metropolitan place have told us that a 17 year old boy was arrested just after midnight about 5 past midnight this morning in south London and the arrest came as officers executed a warrant in the thoughts and Thornton Heath area of south London which is in the long. Number of Croydon The latest arrest overnight now takes the total number of arrests in this investigation to 6 all 6 of those men remain in custody at a police station in south London and officers of also now this morning begin to search of the property where this teenager was arrested in Thornton Heath and the police said anything else about the fire that they ve been holding up to know what s gotten yards counter-terror unit says it s still a fast moving investigation and it has been since the explosion on Friday morning this a lot has happened since that attack as you say 6 men in custody the search is continuing at 5 separate addresses and this 6 arrests all been made under Section 41 of the Terrorism Act 3 of the men aged 253048 were all arrested in Newport in South Wales. On Tuesday night and also early yesterday morning there s also a 21 year old who s been named as Ya-Ya Faruqi was detained in hands low in west London late on Saturday night and an 18 year old man the 1st to be arrested he was stopped at the port of Dover last Saturday morning about 24 hours after the explosion on that tube train now there is a time limit on Mr for roots detention that s expected to run out later today and detectives have been given until Saturday to continue questioning the 18 year old arrested in Dover Stewart thanks very much Andy. The vice president beyond says his government is concerned by the continuing movement of Muslim or hinge us across the border to Bangladesh Henry van thorough made the comments touring his address the u.n. General Assembly in New York the government of Myanmar is confident about the present. All the deepest sympathy goes to the families of our innocent civilians and members of the police and security do you force us who have lost their lives yes no denying day this is a problem of significant meant you significant magnitude Unicef saying that 60 percent of the people currently entering Bangladesh over the border are children many of them unaccompanied Hello thawing Schmidt as the far a prime minister of Denmark she s no Save the Children for executives of the international branch I spoke to her at the un where she s trying to highlight the issue and I asked her to tell us more just how many children are actually coming across the border. Well what we re seeing is that since or when these this tightening broke out we have seen about 250000 children who have crossed the border and who need our help and what we re estimating is actually even worse because recent that we might be up to 600000 children who have to cross the border some of them are accompanied minus We have counseled 1100 by now luckily we have been able to help these children by helping me into Safe Spaces and that say the children run in their veggie camp in Bangladesh and some many of these children we have managed to get hold of their relatives find relatives for these children so they can be in safety because it goes without saying everyone knows this that these are some of the most vulnerable people on us they have no one to look after them and that means that they can be preyed soon people who want to traffic them use an unsavory all sex rehab abuse and if we don t get hold of these children and look after them until we can find relatives this is very likely. The approach of dos uchi in Myanmar seems to be well it s very complicated you don t understand our internal politics have you save the children actually tried reaching out to her about a humanitarian situation given that she is a great humanitarian. Yes I have myself written to answer she I ve met her a few years ago when I was prime minister some written so it s said to be part of the solution here the problem is right now the economy actually get access to the areas of the rockin state where these events of 2nd place and what we have to go by are the eye witnesses the children that we are asked when they cross the border into Bangladesh and the stories these children attending their home Ventus we spoke to a 10 year old boy who talks about children being shot at when they tried to cross the border to Canada s. Spoke to a little girl who says that she had to see her burning home and leave her mother that because she was too ill to come with her so these are the experiences these children come with and this is should never happen to anyone and least of all of course so it s children so we hear about horrific stories on the ground in Iraq in state but neither say the children or any other agencies not even the u.n. Have got access there and of course that makes us even more worried and more suspicious about what s going on in there of course and a 100 you deal with them once they ve landed in Bangladesh and supposing that they don t have a family member or somebody where do the goal what do they do well we try to identify the unaccompanied children because s. At the extremely vulnerable these are children whose parents were killed or they became separated from their parents and everyone knows that they are streamed risk of exploitation abused chip trafficking and Save the Children is committed to helping these children on the ground and luckily we are actually in the refugee camp where these children are advising not many organizations are there but save the children there what we do we set up safe spaces fall for children we set them up in camps that are for children and they where they of course receive 24 hour support we also try to. Help them with the mental wounds that they have so they can heal as fast as possible and what we try of course is to is to find family members who are alive and close to them either in the camps or elsewhere and luckily we have actually been able to spot so Fox a place most of the unaccompanied children we have placed in with their ballots if so that s a very very good story of course it wouldn t happen if the Save the Children on the ground in the camp we re talking on a day that Save the Children s just issued a report into the number of refugee children around the world who are not getting any education and you talked about safe space I think that s one of Save the Children s big planks in that school is a safe space for a child that s a place where they can try to recover from all the terrible things that they ve seen. Yes School discuss a good for so many things it s good for learning of course for the education that these children so desperately want and need are spoken to so many refugee children and all they say is that they would just like in an education they do sometimes I say this is all we are asking but of course as a school is also a safe place thoughtful girls who have has a constant risk of being harassed and abused it is often a safe space in terms of getting a meal so this is sensible in school is so good for us as for so many reasons but on foresee what we re seeing that even though that the world traumas these children that they would go into school very soon after they came to another country and came to a refugee camp is that the world is not delivering that promise and what we see now is that Hamas the world s refugee children of which there are 3 and a half 3 and a half 1000000 who are not in school half a refugee children are actually not attending school and I know my way I feel we esteem these children s future twice 1st they had to flee their homes where everything was Familia and then we still refuse to once more when we deny them access to an education and therefore to a future where they can provide for themselves you say these promises are not new they ve been made before in a way the this must be so depressing for you to go through conference after conference like the leaders summit on refugees or the the Syria conference in London last February and yet people commit and yet they don t follow through how can you make them follow through. I think if we talk about this the more we talk about this the more everyone will realize also. The public will realize how important this is and I think we all know that if we don t provide refugee children with an education for example all the Syrian children who are now e s a left back in Syria and Lebanon Turkey or Jordan who are taking so much risk. Bonsa billet see if we don t provide them with an education we re not providing these children with the future what will they do when one day perhaps and hopefully they can go back to Syria and be part of building up their own country what can they do if none of them have been trained to be mechanical engineers so teaches doc says How can the build up that country and what we have we a create saying if we don t help these children education is a problem on our own doorsteps and that is why I think the well will wake up soon to education as a need for refugee children because it s not only about the children of course it s mostly about them but it s also very much about providing them with the future so they can go back to the countries they come from and help build those countries Well let s turn to the General Assembly now because must have been a really rough week for you to be perfectly honest been not been a great week for liberals one way or another has it. No I take the positive signs that that are still here I still believe that you know order to do something about all these problems that I m talking about. Against Children in Iraq in state in Myanmar education we have to have a strong un that keeps working together to solve these issues together none of the problems that say that children are concerned about can be so without strong international institutions so I m still hoping that the un will survive as a strong international body because that is the only way we can tackle it is in any of these issues that I m talking about. Have a thought of Schmidt Save the Children well as we speak hurrican Maria moving away from Puerto Rico but the bad news is the National Hurricane Center in Miami says it could strengthen again in a day or 2 under again major hurricane status Puerto Rico is completely without power has been for hours and the island of Dominique has reported 7 deaths after the winds hit there on Monday night Maria s the 2nd maximum strength storm to hit the Caribbean Of course in 2 weeks with sustained winds of well over 150 miles an hour well more than $1300.00 British troops already in the region for relief efforts after Arma are staying mostly on the Tortola and Barbados and the reason that they re in Barbados is because they were moved out when it looked as if there was going to be a hit on Tortola however many more of them actually stayed there and just hunkered down and I ve been speaking to British army brigadier John Ridge I asked him how the b.v.i. Is are doing. Well the 1st thing to say is that I think we were extremely lucky all the decisions of total your extreme lucky he didn t strike British Virgin Islands as badly as we thought it might have done which was a huge really cool they suffered so badly during hurricane we were really concerned that if states seen the sorts of wins that we saw in some places under constant rain that it would have caused some really really serious damage as it happened and the way the hurricanes just some places these appalling blows another one seemed to escape relatively unharmed as it happened the British Virgin Islands has not been too badly either were very strong winds or the loss of rain but the hospital in the past station which we re very concerned about as I understand it and also the flooding that did happen is receding more quickly than we thought it would so in terms of the British Virgin Islands are totally not as bad as we expected but them you ve already made the point about cursory similar situation in the middle there as well which has suffered very very badly. Given your responsibilities are you still going to be focusing on the rebuilding and Tortola which who are engaged in before Hurricane Maria came along we were indeed and we will continue to support the British Virgin Islands in terms of Dominica which is a sail mention just now we ve put in a fire in a team today using one of our Chicago cop is a mix of the personnel from City Hall which is a regional disaster management organization some personnel from that for International Development and some military assessment as well so they are there is a thing to get another sign exactly how bad the. This is an area which didn t get it too badly and the. Working just understand what can be done for that as well but you re right so we re going to go in we re going to start the reconstruction there is an awful lot of work still to do off. And on and even if it wasn t too badly this time around by by Maria I hear you mentioned already we re very concerned about her. Course the next set of Alan s from our perspective there in the spotlight so we re working together very quickly as we can after that again to do the assessment and to help the local governments sort out the damage has been done this I mean I m looking at a project to track the why a bond of the Harken still seems to going across the tarp or the eye is going to pass to the north Yes exactly and the problem you almost always look at is if you re in the art of the storm you pick up the worst of the waves but if you re on the sort of flanks of the storm you pick up the worst of the rain. Where you are on the table 30 Keiko s which is quite low lying the combination of heavy rain and storm surge is particularly worrying for us and we have the same concerns the British Virgin Islands so crucially we need to do the assessment we ve got the teams hunkered down so we re all we left alone military personnel there where they ve been working up to the very last minute with the local government to try and prepare as much as they possibly can and it s staggering what they the local people have achieved in terms of recovery after the back of their cattle nothing Cardle what we can there was and hunker down we will hunker down and then as soon as the hurricane is passed over those teams we are up and ready to fly forward additional 8 we ve got a Polish coming in from the Dominican Republic so as soon as we can with them back up trying to do what we can to help them recover. And what about h.m.s. Ocean because that s still on its way across isn t it from the u k. It is yes. Translation will arrive broadly in the vicinity to preserve your knowledge on the 22nd of September that brings an enormous. Capability 9 helicopters for London Craft $200.00 sort of specialists humanitarian assistance last a really really treat to deploy from the shit so that brings a huge amount and on board you ve probably got about 60 tons of additional a particular shelter which is the thing that we need most of all which the local people need most of all of those areas so should a lot of the 22nd effect to be what we find is the smaller of broadly the same sort of track as the hurricane so that she can deliver some provide some assistance into the research knowledge and then follow up and take off the nice thing about a ship for the last minute the priorities change we can stare off to meet whatever the developers are in the area so it s not some sort of flexibility of having such enormous not a capability on a ship but we can take where it s needed Max brigadier general persists Joint Forces Command Center in Barbados. Well Jake La Motta has studied his life course portrayed by Robert De Niro and raging pool and he was 95 years old Gavin evidence is the author of 4 books on boxing and I asked him what was so special about Jake La Motta Well there are a number of things One is that he was a Will middleweight champion forward against the guy regarded as the greatest fighter pilots upon they have a Sugar Ray Robinson. And they had 6 fights Robinson won 5 the mother won one so it s the last to fly where the mother was willed middleweight champion and he defended it against Robinson and it was a tremendous battle but Robinson took over and stopped him and 30 runs and that s the one that that is most remembered but he had a number of other memorable fights in his career. When he won the Will middleweight title against the great French fighter good muscle sedan. Love and here he dropped muscle the past its best in the 1st rather than dislocated his shoulder and and eventually got stopped in 9 rounds and said Dan was going to fly out from funds for it and then he could kill them and they crashed so that kind of added to to the story and then he defended his title against a Frenchman called Laurence to sulk and could beat him before and and this guy. Boxed a lot of Toulouse last minute of the of the of the 15th 15th the last round and then the modern knocked him out with a few seconds to go so that kind of added to his legend so those in the ring he was noted as a as a come forward fight he had a sure that seemed impenetrable I mean even Robinson It was a tremendous punch it couldn t put him down so that was part of his reputation with the tough guy outside of the ring and he was a very unpleasant person. He beat his wives up and and and the number of men outside the ring up as well so he was a nice guy but what happened was then he and he there was a autobiography of his and then later it was made into a film starring Robert De Niro It s called Raging Bull and and that kind of rekindles the legend legend one of the Sink of the film that he liked it well he liked the money that he got from it. And so even though it portrayed him as a not very nice human being which which was an accurate portrayal and he was able to eat off that for the rest of his for the rest of his life so I think on balance he quite enjoyed the film and did he stay involved with the writing even after he retired I mean was he coaching doing things like that no he didn t do that he tried various things some of which were reflected in that in that film he tried he tried acting and he tried writing and he became a kind of television pundit but he didn t stay in boxing in the sense of being a trainer or manager or promoter or anything like that but because of that of his reputation as a tough guy there were always people who wanted him on television and and particularly late in his live particularly after the near a film he you know and a good living off that legend of the of of this tough guy I mean in a way is legend has kind of grown beyond what it should He was a very good middleweight champion he was aggressive he was strong and he could he could take a tremendous amount of punishment but he wasn t a great punch a very small hand actually and they they just so he could never punch with these full power because he s worried about. Breaking them. And he did have got a number of losses before before the Robinson fight and although a lot of the Robinson fights were close the only ones Robinson was a welterweight and he was the middle and the mother was a middleweight in one of the. 2 of them in fact the much outweighed Robinson by 16 pounds which was in today s standards more than 2 weight divisions so. You hear it was a really a very good boxer and good enough to be a world champion but I wouldn t place him among the great middleweights of all time a lot of people would disagree with me and they would. But I think that that he certainly had his limitations but it was a reputation as a hard man. As the Bronx bull as he was as he was called. That made his name and then And then of course once the autobiography came out and once the film came out that legend just grew and grew. I mean this is from a an hourly wage of boxing when it was really and truly a mass sport and everybody paid attention to it should we be nostalgic for that time that s represented by Jake La Motta well d d. The Macho is one of those rare exceptions where he has his models were still more or less intact all the way through to the age of 95 despite the I mean he had a 145 in a space of 30 years. And he took a tremendous amount of punishment of course in those days and Hosea gloves which weighed 6 ounces today middleweight fight with 10 ounce gloves which are soft. And . Somehow his brain managed to to remain intact but that certainly wasn t the case for most of the boxes of that era among them the greatest ever sugar a Robinson who succumbed to. Late in life I doubt that the result of the punches. And that was the boxing author for books on the subject Gavin I haven t. Time really to say that as the awesome accept. The sun rises. In Manchester 653. This. Morning it s 5 o clock this morning reports on 5 Live I m Liam smelled like smoke has been closed to try a cigarettes as a way of quitting t.v. Ads will run during stopped it s the 1st time public health motivating as a stop smoking and this comes despite warnings from health was dog nice that there s not enough evidence about the benefits or harms of cigarettes yet researchers at the University of London say the rate of people stopping smoking in the 1st 6 months of this year was the highest in a decade Professor Robert West co-wrote the study what we see is lots of conflicting information coming out from different sources on the cigarettes are they really dangerous are they really safe and so on it s not that they re saying you know these are absolutely fantastic I don t use any cigarette what they re saying is cautiously optimistic if you look at the date it is promising and clearly smokers are voting with their feet because their cigarettes are by far the most popular aid to quitting the people using it so they re probably doing something right rescuers in Mexico City are trying to reach at least 3 people they believe is still alive under the rubble of a school which collapsed during Tuesday s earthquake. One of them is a 13 year old girl who crews have managed to pass food and water to at least 21 children from the school of thought to have been killed our correspondent is nearby and having to whisper we re being asked to keep quiet just in case there are any cries of many people who are trapped inside that school their families are having an agonizing wait here we have heard that one girl has been found alive they are managing to give her water they re managing to give her food but at the moment they are still trying to rescue her well more than 200 people are known to have died across Mexico following the quake Zoe and her daughter have been left with only the clothes they were standing and we ve got to hope for all of this it s happy to be alive it was that close but at the same time you know. What s in the whole life is a bit in a matter of a minute is also quite shocking and overwhelming that you know that still people are pretty still in the building detectives investigating Friday s bomb attack on the London Underground of arrested a 17 year old boy in Thornton Heath south London it brings the number of people being held to 6 it s 5 lives still Clarkson search is continuing at 5 separate addresses this 6 arrests or the maid under Section 41 of the Terrorism Act 3 of the men aged 253048 were all arrested in Newport in South Wales on Tuesday night and also early yesterday morning there s also a 21 year old who s been named as Ya-Ya for a route he was detained in hands low in west London late on Saturday night and an 18 year old man the 1st to be arrested he was stopped at the port of Dover last Saturday morning there is a time limit on Mr for its detention that s expected to run out later today and detectives have been given until Saturday to continue questioning the 18 year old arrested in Dover the entire Caribbean island of Puerto Rico is without power after being hit by Hurricane Maria aerial photographs show flattened buildings and fallen trees Well granted in the capital some quite quickly. Rooms nearby where we are we ve seen half right come down. Wires and electrical cables down it s very very clear this is going to be an extremely powerful storm bringing with it a lot of rainfall and very heavy heavy wind Maria is the worst storm to hit the cabbie in Ireland in 90 years bringing winds of up to 140 miles an hour Dolly is a NASA scientist what we re doing is we re observing the storm in many different ways to understand the intense rain that is expected and it s falling in Puerto Rico $12.00 to $18.00 inches in some areas but up to $25.00 and we re seeing a lot of the rivers flooding and with all of the difference we have satellites we re getting a better handle on the impact than just driving laws could be extended to cover cyclists the government starting move you in to have a nice books specific legislation is needed for causing death by careless or dangerous cycling it comes just days after cyclists was jailed for 18 months for knocking over and killing a woman as he sped on a bike with no front brakes the f.a.a. Is coming under scrutiny following the sacking of the England women s manager Mark Sampson the m.p. Damon Collins chairs the Culture Media and Sport Committee know whether this report was poor course or because when you said when she conducted the raid investigation into any case allegations I think these are all incredibly serious matters not just about mistakes made several years ago but why action wasn t taken sooner Now Samson and already been cleared of pulling in discrimination the head of the f.a.a. Martin Glenn said he acted after looking for allegations raised in 24 tane when Mark Thompson what Bristol Academy a number of Ryanair pilots have rejected part of the company s plan to try and reduce the 2000 flights their line is canceling over the next 6 weeks they have been offered a cash bonus to work extra days. The consumer group Which is advising people to stop buying fridges and freezers that don t have fully fireproof backs it says in some circumstances they can be dangerous which is also written to manufacturers asking them to stop making appliances with flammable plastic backs Here s our personal finance reporter Brian Milligan Well what s happened is that which looked at $500.00 freezers and fridges on sale and found that about half of them do not have flame retardant back panels now as such appliances unlikely to actually start a fire and no one s died from this they could make a fire spread faster but they re obviously millions of appliances like this already in our homes nevertheless which says there s no need to recall all of those it s just you shouldn t buy a new one on the other hand the industry has said there s no need for panic as everything sold here at his district safety standards more than 1000000 motorists could still be using their mobile phone while driving according to new research by the ira say that s despite the penalty doubling last March to 6 points and a 200 pound fine 4 in 10 people surveyed said that making receive calls while sat in traffic and the same amount also checked text emails and social media Pete Williams is road safety spokesman for the r.a.c. It appears that motorists believe that they are less at risk or less likely to cause an accident when in stationary traffic but the reality is it s still illegal they will be prosecuted they will face the full brunt of the law but it s also a significant danger and we are seeing serious accidents and casualties arising from people who are distracted at traffic lights or whatever by checking their text or sending a quick post on social media and they re completely unaware of the traffic and other road users around them let s get the sport now with Joe Parsons Good morning Mark Samson s been sacked as England women s manager following evidence of inappropriate and unacceptable behavior with female players whilst in charge of Bristol Academy in 2014 when investigated at the time the Football Association. Concluded Samson did not pose a safeguarding risk however after revising revisiting the case the f.a.a. Chief executive Martin Glen decided the were issues with substance conduct when I read the full report that just last week the issue became one of Mark s conduct and it s really around the boundaries between a player and a coach on reading that report I felt that what I saw was incompatible with the standards that we would expect for someone to work in the f.b.i. So the issue is about his conduct it s the standards that if asked to set a plan also added that while Sampson can no longer work for the f.a. He can coach elsewhere in football something the former England defender Danny Mills takes issue with if you ring the manager you should be judged by the highest standard and you should set an example if you re not fit to being a manager or whatever you say going to she you shouldn t be fit to work for anybody full stop the form of some slim player an editor of she kicks magazine Jenna Neal believe some sun isn t the only one who should be held accountable you ation where that doesn t seem to be any where everybody believes the victims are beautiful I guess Luck s one of them in a sense is well this should have been investigated properly from the outset there should be more openness and more honesty about this I guess that possibly other people of all Association should jump because. The a.f.l. Cup holders Manchester United have set up a 4th round tie way with a 41 win over both now being at Old Trafford as you say Marina told 5 live Sport that English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was scrapped is an official competition is importance if you ask me. Who does the English football survive or even be better without this competition. Maybe maybe we would be fresher for. European competitions for example but we have this competition we have to respect we have to respect the sponsors we have to do. The opponents we have to respect the professionalism of all of us trying to do the best 2 goals from Leroy sa In Manchester City a 21 win at West Brom but it will Kagan go on making his return after 9 months out with a serious knee ligament injury limped off in the 2nd half after a tackle from Claudio Yacob manager Pep Guardiola says it s nothing to be concerned about is not. Here was injuries the thing is a small more seeing would not be out so what the actual wish was so so tough so we suffer a lot in the moment for him but fortunately it s not that big dangers Jack Wilshere completed 90 minutes for Arsenal for the 1st time in almost 3 years as they don t cost a $1.00 nil Everton ended a run of 4 straight defeats in all competitions as they knocked out Sunderland 3 nil Dominic covered Lou and scored twice sending praise from Everton manager Hooman really good strong we know it s a young boy good strikers he s scoring goals and and he showed it tonight because I think maybe the 1st goal was even more important than the 2nd he broke it open he broke the result in a game open and he did well and he scored a great 2nd goal the night s biggest winners were Chelsea Nottingham Forest 51 for one of the goal scorers the young Belgian Charlie Masange who is making his 1st start for Chelsea it was quite an occasion it was an emotional moment you know I m trying to remember now it was an emotional moment on my 1st go to the bridge I was very happy and you could see the I was in tears really honest if he did I think coming at me you know I don t know what would have been Yeah but it was a great moment the defending Scottish League Cup champions Celtic are through to the semifinals they ve done the 4 nil and Christiane elders return from a 5 match ban ended in defeat Israel Madrid lost one Millet home to Real Betis a 7th in the table 7 points behind the leaders Barcelona there s no gold medal for the Tour de France and world to a Spaniard champion Chris Froome in the individual time trial at the Road Race World Championships in Norway. A Froome taken a bronze with Team Sky in Sunday s team event had to settle for 3rd place again behind Tom to man Tom De Mille an empty most rock which it would have been nice to be fighting for the gold medal there but I ve got no regrets I gave it I see everything I had. And yet it s amazing ways for season 2 to 2 bronze medals here at the world champs in a long season it s been an amazing season seasonal. Is forever grateful for and cracked out to be at the end of it now England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international Trent Bridge today this commentary in sports extra from 1215 now for a look at the weather here s Nick Miller at the b.b.c. Weather Center good morning in Atlantic weather system that brought a wet day to Northern Ireland yesterday hasn t met each and made much progress eastwards across the u.k. At the moment so they will take that rain away from Northern Ireland quite quickly this morning the rest of us will see a spell of rain at some stage of the day start though in Northern Ireland eventually the rain will clear away from eastern counties it will brighten up we ll see some sunshine coming through but it will be a scattering of hidden mess heavy showers developing especially into the afternoon for Scotland that rain will be quite heavy this morning particularly into Southwest Scotland it will spread further east of those parts that are starting the day drawing lingering northeast Scotland into the evening results where by evening most of his in Scotland will be drawing up in the further west you are bit of sunshine before the end of the day though on the west coast of Western Isles you could see the odd heavy shower in England and Wales will start in Wales and Western England here there will be some heavy burst of rain around this morning that spreading further east across England as the day goes on but East Anglian southeast England probably not seeing much rain at all until we get into this evening for much of Wales and Western England though it will turn dry as the afternoon goes on the sun starts to come out you may catch the odd rogue shower developing Once again though for particular. Coastal parts of Wales and South rusting but essentially after the rain is gone it ll be turning trials through the afternoon and temperatures today a bit of a range most of us around $13.00 to $16.00 Celsius but for those parts that take long years to get the rain that s North and East Yorkshire through eastern England into southeast England around 17 to 20 Celsius and perhaps as high as 21 in East Anglia so some rain eventually this evening for the rest of East Anglia southeast England stays dry by a day that overnight it will be chilly tonight but a touchy mist and fog around by morning though we re looking at Warren coming back into Northern Ireland flatlined weather thanks very much Nic Well let s have a look at what s making the papers this morning the Daily Telegraph on their front page there leading on a warning by to resume a former chief of staff Nick Timothy that the Treasury s reluctance to even mention the positives of leaving the risks the u.k. Receiving a bad breaks it deal this of course comes out of a key speech by the prime minister in Florence on Friday she s always expected to address bags of very heavily The Times also leading with Mrs May This is regarding health threat to withhold tens of millions of pounds of u.k. Contributions to the United Nations the Prime Minister s demanded airgun reforms to the un The paper says Mrs mace characterized it as bloated disorganized and hit by obese scandals the Guardian also going with this speech by the prime minister to the United Nations General Assembly yesterday the paper says Mrs May issued a veiled warning to President Trump arguing his plans withdraw from the Paris climate change treaty ranks alongside North Korea s nuclear missile tests as a threat to global prosperity and security the Daily Mail carries a report by the watchdog Care Quality Commission it reveals inspectors are called to deal with 4 complaints pair day elderly care homes and finally the Daily Mirror goes there blind crime lords feigned outrage that taxpayers have paid $1200000.00 pounds to 115 peers who didn t speak in any debate in Parliament for a whole year this is 5 Live it s 550. Good morning do Britain s energy companies make too much money we ll ask the boss of one of the big 6 council money for a p.c. 500 g. Giant eon is announcing it s going to ditch its standard variable tariff for customers who get a smart meter installed but will moves like this help the millions of people struggling with their bills the U.K. s chief executive Michael Lewis will be here live on wake up to money and as the British Virgin Islands get battered by another major hurricane we ll be finding out how it could hit the repair costs David was making the business page this morning while the breaks it talks a big story across all the papers but also that the beginning of the end of quantity of easing in the u.s. Is a big business story as well as a court appearance by the former p.h.s. Owner Dominic Chappelle yesterday a fairly flat day in the markets the Footsie 100 closed 3 points lower so will start today at 7271 while in the u.s. The s. And p. 500 finished 2 points higher closing at 2508 and we want to hear from bed and flex it was this morning tell us if you are one boycotts the money b.b.c. Radio 5 Live. Good morning this is wake up to money then with Guy Kilty David Jones Now earlier this year and the rest of the big $6.00 hiked energy prices by around 90 pounds a year for customers on their standard tariffs consumer groups use words like monstrous and crippling to describe the impact of those price rises on consumers and the energy regulator said it saw no reason for the increases at all so how can the Big 6 justify these price hikes Well this morning I ll wake up to money we re going to ask the boss of one of them exactly that Michael Lewis is the chief executive of e r in the u.k. And he ll be joining us later in the program well this morning says it wants to ditch its standard variable tariff by automatically rolling customers on to a fixed term tariff if they get a smart meter installed but is this going to help the millions of customers who are paying significantly higher bills than those who switch providers will ask you. About that and much more Also let us know what you d like to ask Michael Lewis text on 85058 or use the hash tag wake up to money on social media and David morning David will be fascinated to hear what he says about these price rises and whether they can be justified as justified by this whole issue highlights the tension at the heart of the energy market doesn t as energy companies have shareholders as well as customers that s true and I think it s hard to I will strike that balance of keeping both sides happy. Yeah that s very much the case and we ve spoken with you before about your own energy bills you were allays which you were only when was it worth it when you finally did it was I ve never switched in my life and I think we had a conversation and I m happy for the last couple of years and I finally does it at the end of last year so it apparently is going to save me about 250 pounds a year my gas and electricity but it was without a hassle because then he switched the gas over initially so I could chase them so it was still a bit of trouble so it wasn t a pomo So it s not as well also on the program this morning with us is Laura Lumbee senior investment director at investment investor wealth and investment morning Laura morning thank you for being there this morning now Lori your the opposite David are you switch on a regular basis I believe I do indeed and I find it is simply easy if you go out late and do it but I would say that s probably the older clients of mine that struggle with switching energy producer speaking sign you. Know an insult intimidating but no I do think it s a problem for some of the from older customers and to get to grips with the online switching Yeah I mean how often do so is the more we every year every couple years just about I mean it s quite easy to compare your current provider with the competition and last year actually I stayed with the current one because it was only a 50 pound difference but this year it looks as if it s going to be able to 200 planes and difference if I do switch so I m in the process of doing it at the moment good stuff now in terms of the markets where is the investment going in the energy market at the moment heard recently that offshore wind is no cheaper than new nuclear So where s the money going well the same way a lot of new investments which are solar powered offshore wind farms and giving a fairly good yield for investors about 6 percent so the settle a lot of interest in that sort of investment and I suspect that will continue providing government subsidies are still there well that you mention the government subsidies from an investor point of view what are the. The Those government subsidies and the other sort of this heavily regulated market isn t it what does that do to investors view of big energy companies investors I think see utility companies as a sort of board proxy so very much check out of safe haven normally in times of trouble but not necessarily recognised for their growth potential So we ve we we do see when there s a regular to ready review coming up the shares tend to retreat at until we have some clarity on the way forward so that s the risk in utility shares Ok well much more for more later in the program thank you for now also with us on the program this morning we have Rico he s all in Singapore. Very caring for your gentleman that will talk to a bit more about matters in Asia more detail a bit in a few minutes but in terms of energy prices was the energy market like in Singapore as for consumers what happens over there well it s just one energy producer here in Singapore and that s Singapore power so that there is no choice in terms of the competition and where you receive my energy bill in the mail a week ago it increased because egg tricity tariffs rolls by an average of 6 percent in the 2nd quarter so the increase is largely due to the cost of natural gas for electricity generation which increased by 12 percent compared with the previous quarter but Guy and David if we may have a right here in Singapore power rates but the city state is not one of the most expensive in the region Sydney Tokyo Manila Auckland are at the top of the table with the most pricey power rates because of high generation distribution and tear of course and other countries such as Thailand Indonesia Malaysia and South Korea have lower power rates because of government subsidies and there you go the exact opposite of us one provider but bills. Thank you for the moment to in a minute as we said. The chief executive of in the u.k. Michael Lewis will be joining us later in the program so let us know what you d like us to ask him Tex s your questions on a 5 hour 58 or on social media using the hash tag wake up to money now also this morning we want to know from you about your eating habits and that s because a well known food store has announced it has as many veggie meals in its Christmas food catalog as it has meat once it says the rise of the veggie 4 and flexitarian means as a country we re expend experimenting more with new vegetables and people are less afraid to try something different so we want to find out whether you re a veggie for a flexitarian that might need a definition of those 2 things are not 100 percent sure they mean have you increase the amount of vegetables you eat and reduce your meat intake and what you discovered recently you have never eaten before I must admit I have actually reduced my meat intake recently I think that s because I was I watched a rather scary documentary on Netflix which we seem to suggest that meat and dairy isn t quite as healthy for us as we think it should be David what about you and your veggie for a flexitarian. Now I come from a long line of Welsh farmers and put. It in my genes I Karla had a certain Laura you have big meaty to you more on the vegetarian side I do a bit of both vegetable that balance I think that s what you need. More vegetables recently or if you d change your dietary habits that s all I have and nobody a lot of vegetables anyway Ok well that s good to know good to know Rico What about you I m a veggie meat eater. Please explain why they combine both vegetables and meat Ok I m also trying to get healthy as you get older you have to watch your health health it s wealth health as well that is a very very good motto for this program isn t it so takes as an 85058 or use a hash tag wake up to money on social media let us know if you ve changed your eating habits are you eating more vegetables and in fact just looking back. The food store so it will you be having a vegetarian Christmas dinner let s find out so let us know what you think now Rico . To matters in Singapore the Taiwanese smartphone maker has just announced a $1000000000.00 deal with Google what s the deal well it is a an alliance that Google has signed with the Taiwanese smartphone manufacturer to boost its hardware business and under this agreement guy Google will be acquiring a team of h t c employees many of whom I ve worked on it s pixel smartphone Google also separately received a non-exclusive license for h d c intellectual property I m sure not a lot of people know that if you have a Samsung phone or a Chinese smartphone you re using now the Android operating system this was basically launched by each t c of Taiwan. I mean several years ago they had as much as a 10 percent market share of smartphones but they just couldn t match the immense resources of Apple and Samsung other Chinese brands made their mark in emerging markets like China and India which left the h d c without a market to fall back together they say we. Were in there with the Google phones they were leading They were leading the way but then they ve really been overtaken by some sort of in the no abs absolutely overtaken by the South Korean manufacturers the Chinese manufacturers so hopefully keeping their fingers crossed this $1100000000.00 cash. Rescue. Flagging business Rico in Singapore Many thanks for the see what you can do about your energy bills between Tomorrow yes only thank you for an hour. Now David just give us a quick round of what s been happening on the markets it was only require day yesterday I think just waiting for this this Federal Reserve decision in the states last night so we had that u.s. Markets the markets did falter. A bit on the news that the Federal Reserve was going to end the stimulus program but by then they recovered on the Footsie $100.00 finished off yesterday are fairly flat at 7271 and in Japan at the moment we ve got a weekend pushing the Nikkei slightly higher it s up I think about 40 points at 20479 and there s a lot in the papers this morning as you d imagine about that decision from the Federal Reserve to wind back its q.e. Program we ll talk about that a bit more with Laura later there s also a lot in the paper about this this merger between Tata Steel in the u.k. And to. The German steel businesses and so they the one line in the Telegraph this morning is from u.b.s. The investment bank saying that actually this is just a short reprieve. Yeah Ok I think this is just the 1st step I think and we re not guaranteed this deal is going to go ahead by the bulk of the groups have sad because we d end up with a workforce without 40 $8000.00 people but they re both groups of said There will be job losses but they ll be I think in the management and admin level rather than the still operational but is this is just the 1st step of the deal so far yeah it s going to see how that pans out isn t there and that it s they ve said that there will likely to be job losses across the 2 companies but they haven t given details as yet and also in the Telegraph this morning the o.e.c.d. Has left its prediction for u.k. Growth unchanged from its June forecast 1.6 percent in 2017 and one percent in 2018 that doesn t make a great reading for the chancellor as it will be looking for growth rate significantly higher than the yeah it s not fantastic is that what we did have because it coincides with with some retail numbers out yesterday with the retail sales figures for gas for the u.k. And I think expectations were for retail sales up about not point 2 percent but they came in barnstorming one percent for August so it does suggest that I mean maybe despite all the breaks and certainly despite all of that we still see consumers happy to get out there and spend money and I string there also in The Times this morning it says that M.P. s are going to investigate what s what s happening now that we ve got the pension freedoms so this is where basically any one of the age of 55 can switch to different retirement products in the past you just used to have to buy an annuity but now you can do much more with with your retirement savings and The Times says the Commons Work and Pensions Committee is to launch an inquiry into how the freedom of choice around these reforms are working in practice and in particular concerns that they re exposing vulnerable people to fraud many people were warning of this when they when these men were announced and it looks like the Commons Work and Pensions Committee is concerned enough now I know that these are the potential for it as we ve been been around for 2 years to actually investigate this and whether it is. Having a negative effect on people entering the time and a few a few papers picking up on me and I have a slightly humorous twist if there is any humor in a big h.s. Saga we had the boss the old boss pal who bought me a chance for a pound he was in court yesterday but he s denied failing to hand over information to the pensions regulator because he s saying he couldn t read the case details against him because he was offshore on a boat and I m sure that will go down well well with the court and x. P.h.s. Employees you say said and he was away for most of August it turns out to be he was on a on a boat race somewhere and he didn t have any internet connections so he couldn t catch up with what he was being accused of and really to just utter I think it keeps providing ammunition that story doesn t now one of the story that is caught my eye finally the front page of The Sun the end is nigh age is paranoia Nigel s are nearing extinction this is nothing to do with business ideas that we quote from Star Wars night was an airing extinction with not one born last year it s got a nice picture of some various famous Nigel s Nigel Havers Nigel Winterburn I will Ferrars of course but you re probably no no Nigel s at all you did it all with a larger exit decision the referendum would have prompted at least a couple more here the next few. Yeah Ok so we got a couple of your texts Paul says Who pays for the smart meter the energy company won t pay for it to be fitted and neither will I will maybe put that to the boss of later Duncan says smart meters aren t for everyone they only have one reading I m still on storage heaters so I have to readings Paul says I would like to know why does the standing charge vary so much between different tariffs I suspect this for profit reasons by taking the pressure off the fuel price and we ve got one here from John John Holmes he says as I live in north London perhaps I should have an organic wheat free gluten free dairy free Christmas and. The person I had to keep your tax coming in a 5050 on the tax or wake up to money. On social media. Was pretty early for me on this is b.b.c. 5 Live are going to wake up to money the u.k. Boss of the on the recent energy price rises but 1st $530.00 in time for the 5 Live news with Liam Smedley the cigarettes are going to be promoted for the 1st time by Public Health England as a way of quitting during their stop Tobar campaign vaporing will be suggested as a stop smoking 8 rescues in Mexico are trying to reach at least 3 people they believe are still alive under the rubble of a school devastated by Tuesday s earthquake at least 21 children died after a collapsed 3 and a half 1000000 people still fall through that power in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria knocked out the island supply winds of up to 140 miles per hour have been battering the Caribbean and 6 people are now being held by police in connection with Friday s bomb attack on a Tube train at Parsons Green is after a 17 year old was arrested overnight in south London let s get the sport now with Tom the football associations chief executive Martin Glenn says he feels very positive with the way the governing body has handled Mark Samson s dismissal as England manager the f.a. Of sack Samson due to actions they consider incompatible with the standards they expect Manchester United are through to the 4th round of the e.f.l. Cup But Joe is a merino believes English sides may perform better in Europe if the competition was removed holders United travel to swans in the 4th round a full list of all ties is available on the b.b.c. Sport website and app. Chris Froome is at a bronze in the world championships time trial to his historic toward affronts and while to respond you double England s director of cricket Andrew Strauss says it s not ideal that the team haven t yet nailed down their batting line up ahead of the ashes in November England take on the West Indies in the 2nd one day international later today join our Test Match Special Team from 1215 and despite breaking his leg in 2 places 3 weeks ago 9 time moto g.p. Champion Valentino Rossi will compete in Spain this weekend beyond reasonable doubt on b.b.c. 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Will be speaking to us live on the program a little bit later Italy s antitrust watchdog has opened a probe into Ryanair as thousands of flight cancellations so any airline could have prevented the chaos as which branded compensation efforts woeful and Thomas Cook pilots will stage a 24 hour strike on Saturday in a dispute over pay now we heard from someone in Mexico City on yesterday s program talking about the impact of that powerful earthquake as rescue efforts continue today you can download the podcast or listen again on b.b.c. I Player Now David but look through the markets Yeah let s catch up with what s been happening in the last 24 hours as far as global markets are concerned there is only really. On a vent and it was last night s decision by the u.s. Federal Reserve a later decision on interest rates we saw the u.s. Dollar rally against the euro and the pound after the Fed said this is the end of the beginning of the end of its stimulus program many central banks have had in place of course since the financial crisis in our markets yesterday is Laura senior investment director invest that wealth and investment Laura now how big a deal is this announcement by the u.s. Central Bank most likely just talk us through it and what it actually means when I think it had been a whale flagged I mean Janet Yellen has steered a pretty steady course so that the markets were not caught by surprise you might remember that there was a taper tantrum when and initially I think 2013 it was there was even a mention that they were going to scale back q.e. And that s not the case no so it s starting to be scaled back we had no mention of a cottage industry although I suspect the odds are that we ll get one in December and they ll be another cup not a cut a rise in interest rates I should see and will get another 2 next year so that is probably what s fueled the rise in the $1.02 and Janet Yellen that the chair of the Federal Reserve the central bank said last night the u.s. Economy is on a strong track I mean the stock market is doing incredibly well but would you agree the wider economy looks Ok I m a global growth is is good in the u.s. They ve got low unemployment they ve had a good economic statistics the still a bit of concern over inflation the target rate of 2 percent looks as if it might be missed in 2018 and it s been pushed out a bit to 2019 but the Fed itself it was unanimously behind the the t. Putting in Q e although I think there s more. Discussion to be had arranged interest rates so the u.s. We are. Mysie as you say where everyone s expecting another right rise from the u.s. a Small one before the end of the year the European Central Bank of also said they want to cut back on economic stimulus where does that leave the Bank of England do you think I mean clearly you know the opinions have changed over the last week about when we ll see a rate rise in the u.k. Do you think last night s decision will have any impact on the citizens here. I suspect not the you keep the the odds are for the uki perhaps to have an interest rate rise in November and that had a positive impact on staring at the beginning of the week so am from the the laws a couple of weeks ago we were discussing the pay into being almost parity with the util we ve come off these low was that because expectations for interest rates have increased in the u.k. I don t think that s on the back of the us news now bringing matters closer to home we had results from Kingfisher yesterday the owner of being Q They were reporting a slight drop in profits with sales down one percent but we still saw the shares up 3 percent on the days of investors want to spook the wider retail landscape looks quite healthy we had that retail sales growth yesterday beating expectations what does that tell us about about u.k. Consumers they don t seem too concerned the moment that that s their that s the implication of a one percent rise in sales in August sadly from kingfishers point of view they re the largest d.i.y. Cheat in Europe and they ve had a torrid couple of years but in the middle of a transformation strategy that s that s underway there have been calls to break up Kingfisher the owner to be in q. And Screwfix in the u.k. And cast it out in continental Europe so it seems as if the consumer is reasonably resilient whether that s high street Internet sales I think remains to be seen I suspect at the high street is still suffering at the hands of retail sales but encouraging figures for all. Just and some of them I suspect will be looking forward will be improved with car registrations they were responsible for a large part of the weakness in consumer spending in Q 2 and I think that rebound in Q 3 so that would be a positive and a story that has been in the headlines quite a bit over recent days is of course Ryanair now it appears these problems aren t going away with a raw erupting over pilot pilot contract so we know already that they ve chopped thousands of flights after making making mistakes with cruise holidays but now Ryanair pilots apparently refusing a $12000.00 pound bonus to work extra days and they re saying what they want new contracts and better working conditions the shares have had their own fair bit of turbulence likely that they were down 2 percent yesterday what do you think investors a thinking at the moment when it comes to a Ryanair. I mean to be honest if a company can t get the simple things straight you know staff routers and holidays you do wonder it does smack of fairly poor management the other thing that is affecting Riney at the moment is it s the biggest carrier in Europe and Italy s game competition regulator has just gotten to prove into all the cancellations so there are there is fire coming from all sides in terms of Ryanair and I think Michael leader really has to address these problems or we can see the share price drifting poor farther well in a couple of hours time in the market opens We ll see how investors feel about that today but for now a senior investment director Investec wealth and investment thanks for joining us it s $26.00 now it s been a rough few weeks for the Caribbean 1st hurrican Now Maria is ripping through the region overnight the horror cannot tell power to the entire island of Puerto Rico home to 3 and a half 1000000 people while catastrophic flooding has swept parts of the island the British Virgin Islands were also in its path and were lashed by the storm we can speak now to Lorna Smith director of b.v.i. Finance trade body for the British Virgin Islands financial sites who we also spoke to last week about the devastation there following. Morning again Lorna Good morning to you Guy good morning how are you oh I m. Going to be expected good good I m very glad to hear it now Maria we spoke last week about mobile speak again about that in a moment but what s the latest with Oracle Maria where you are well thankfully my re I has. It not for a direct. Result. Of. My you know we re going to buy our We re which is significantly less than because I believe by. We that we be realised. There was some damage to the southern side of the island in terms of the roads and so on but thankfully the clean up and care that we had. In terms of restoration and so on because the because we thought the whole print area was not significantly impacted globally and right. Now in terms of the clean up you know operation from as we were talking about last time with Holik and what s happened in the week since we last spoke. Last week as I said we had begun to clean up the banks open for a limited period of time. Insurance and just doesn t so on on the ground. The electricity has been restored to a part of the corporate area and we expect that within the coming days by tomorrow or Friday that we would have some want to restore the running water in some of the parts of the area as. There was some concerns regarding security and we had Thanks for those that with the HAs of the the a military police that. That is understandable though their situation is something we think the last day and we are beginning the long task of rebuilding plan I said sorry sorry Dario. I was just finishing by saying that I think that as I said to you last week we have their resilient people who are determined to see this business as quickly as we can with the assistance of both friends from abroad Lou and a given you re organization is a trade body for that the vi financial sector what impact do you think it commercially these may just storms and hurricanes have had on the attractiveness is that as a region for business I would say guys that if a Category 5 hurricane were to this Spike Lee I think that she is back to be saying and really I just think ms of the city would be similarly . Impacted I retained I think I said this last week. Are but the time it changes so on back to can we can strike anywhere in the United States Texas does have this serious flooding and the so on in terms of financial services and what we do thankfully we do not rely on bricks and mortar and we I m to new because the business countries need to plan that we had have been pleased and that we ve always had employees so that we can continue to do the work we mostly low any impact is is many months. After we spoke last time we found out that the because of o.e.c.d. Rules British Virgin Islands could not would not eligible for. Overseas aid from the British government so that money had to be found from of the departments has it been made clear to you yet where the support is going to come from from the British government. That is true because of the. Capita income we dispense with it that. Makes the energy of those 4. But there has been some discussion and some big news. That has taken place and I am not certain of the outcome but the indications would be some relaxation of those moves. I really believe that the bad really we developed went on from a combination of. As well as you know one funding from the basic thing and something that is under the contrition. Sort of the old. Ok you in the queue in concert with the government about you know that is the the b.v.i. Government is doing that are the big like government directly. We have all of this and we both of. Them and we have to be that we believe that good stuff Lorna Smith Many thanks for joining us today Lorna Smith director of b.v.i. Finance trade body for the British Virgin Islands financial sector many thanks for joining us Laura got to hear that Oracle Maria the British Virgin Islands wide berth by the sounds of it now it s 545. For news and the best live sport this is b.b.c. 5 Live wake up some money coming up on wake up to money the u.k. Boss of the on but 1st with the latest 5 Live news here s Liam Smedley a cigarettes are going to be promoted by the Public Health England for the 1st time as a stop smoking 8 efforts are ongoing in Mexico to try and reach 3 people trapped under the rubble of a school falling Tuesday s earthquake I m told to Rico s governor has declared a nighttime curfew after the Caribbean island was battered by Hurricane Maria this is b.b.c. 5 Live available on the b.b.c. 5 player radio. This is wake up to money with guy killed David Jones Now earlier this year and the rest of the big $6.00 hiked energy prices by around 90 pounds a year per customer on their standard tariff despite the energy regulator saying it saw no reason for any increases at all so how can the Big 6 justify these price hikes Well this morning I ll wake up to money we can ask one of their bosses Michael. This is the chief executive of e on here on the in the u.k. Morning Michael good morning thank you for joining us this morning much appreciated now this morning you are saying you want to ditch the standard variable tariff in the long run by automatically rolling people on to a fixed deal rather than when a fixed deal comes through and you automatically the moment get put on to the standard variable type of don t you but you want to change that by automatically rolling the want to fix deal but you say this will only happen if people agree to have a smart meter fitted so not everyone will benefit from this change will well let me explain Firstly what we re doing and what we re saying is that in the 1st quarter of next year we ll start proactively moving our customers off the standard variable tariff as you rightly said that s the evergreen tariff that customers default on to when they come to the end of a fixed term contract and this announcement announcement marks the end of the beginning of the end of the standard variable tariff and this will coincide with the ramp up of our smart meter installation program and the reason for that is because when we install a smart meter it s a great opportunity to engage in a conversation with a customer about what the right tariff for them is and that means we ll be moving thousands of customers every day off the s.p.t. Just so it s into either one of our listeners Paul or says Who pays for the smart meter that sounds like a fair question to me Well it s not a question of who pays for the smart meter it s a question of what the benefits of the smart meter are so will it be installed for free no it s not install it s installed for free for each individual customer absolutely correct but what happens is the huge benefits from a smart meter I had a smart meter installed myself recently actually I went online made an appointment it s safe it s reliable it s secure now I can get real time information about my Any Can energy consumption I always get an accurate bill so I only pay for what I ve used and over the next 3 years I want to bring those benefits to all of our customers and that s the critical point that it s. It s not just a question of moving people onto a fixed tariff It s about having a conversation with each and every customer about the right Tara for them and so while I can t say. Exactly which tariff each customer will switch to what I can say is that their smart future will begin with a price drop but this does mean that people have to proactively do something about it though they won t just automatically put the month of the the cheapest telly for them which many many people think you should well what we ll do is we ll put them on to the right tariff for them and when I talk to customers and I talk to them regularly what they tell me they want is a value for money but they don t all want the same thing so some of them want peace of mind that means they want to fix price for one or 2 years so that they know their prices aren t going to change someone at full service so they can pay by cash and the kind of paper bills some want to cheat no frills tariff or some might want a specialist higher if like Ali recently launched clean an energy tariff which is sourced 100 percent from renewable energy and that s why we ve made this announcement today it means when we have a conversation with the customer about smart meter we can also have a conversation about what the right Tara for them is and we can reduce their prices operationally that how is this going to happen you say you want to put customers on the right tariff for them is your company going to speak to every one of your customers out there or is there the risk that some are going to fall through that the net and just end up on what is the wrong tariff because the computers decided it well this is exactly why we ve decided to link this to our Smart need to roll out because next year we will be implementing the new spot meter installation program with a vengeance will be ramping up very rapidly and installing around 30 to 35000 every week so that means we ll be having a contact with 6 or 7000 customers every day so when we begin the smart meter journey when they make an appointment that will then trigger our process to review their tariff and you know the most basic will move them on to the fixed price tariff below the standard variable tariff and that won t have an exit fee by the way so they can always move on to another tariff at any time and then we can have a conversation about what other terrorists might be right for them but if you. The infrastructure in place to do that we just had attacks from don t connect He says it s all very well making this announcement before they do this they need to get their house in order I switched it on last year shortly after I received a letter telling me to contact them to have a smart meter installed I did as requested I was told there were no free installs in my area and I would be contacted I m still waiting for this communication or course the smart me to roll out is a massive undertaking for the u.k. And will be investing hundreds of millions in making sure that everyone is offered a smart meter by the end of 2020 so that does mean that occasionally we haven t got an installer in the area and that we can t get a smart meter into every home immediately what I can say is that we will offer a smart meter to all of our customers wherever they are in the u.k. By the end of 2020 but you have to do that anyway don t you through the legislation absolutely but what we don t have to do is make sure that when we install a smart meter we move the customers off the standard variable tariff and that s what we ve announced today that we re going to do Ok fine so the smart meters fell apart from it now profits big big question around the Big 6 your profit margin is around 7 percent now to put it into context test goes around half that and the competition markets Authority last year after an investigation said an appropriate profit margin for you and the other big 6 would be 1.25 percent so how can you justify making this profit margin well Energy s a long term business you know we invest a lot of money over a long period and if you look at our profits over the last few years the average has actually been around 4 percent and that means 4 pounds for every 100 pounds on the electricity still more than triple what the c.m.a. Says you should be making but without profit we can t continue to invest in the U.K. s infrastructure people and skills and bear in mind we ve estimated we ve invested over 2500000000 over the last few years in the U.K. s energy infrastructure and that s mainly in renewable energy and I m pleased to say actually that the last turbine at our n.p.r. Offshore wind farm came in was installed Yesterday only yesterday that s the fruit of a. Investment we ve been making in the u.k. Is infrastructure we ll also be investing hundreds of millions over the next 3 years and installing the smart meters and bring the benefits of smart meters to all of our customers I also recently invest opened our own smart training center in Dublin that will be training 750 technicians over the next 18 months bringing them up to the highest standards so that we can install those smart meters safely and reliably and non of this would be possible if we weren t a profitable business sticking with the profits last year a ons profits rose but are lower number of customers in the u.k. Which as you said was down to lower costs in conjunction with government mandated energy efficiency measures and the government reduce those costs so they would be passed on to customers and that was the idea not to increase the profits of energy companies are so why hasn t that been done with your business well actually there s been quite a few forces pushing in the direction of pushing prices up wholesale price increases increases in things like support for a new bill energy but the fact is the price increase we put up this year is the 1st price increase we ve made in 4 years and in fact in that same period we put prices down twice so the key point about it is we do try and obviously give the best price we can to customers and I would say to all customers the key point about the electricity market is you need to engage with it you need to find the right tariff for you and that s why we ve made this announcement today so that we force that conversation with customers we get them on to the right Tara for them now there s a potential price Cup in the offing isn t there for around 2000000 people who are eligible for the warm home discount scheme the government regulates or is expected to announce this fairly soon where there s where do you stand on this is that going to going to hurt your or how s it going to affect your revenues Well the main thing about long because it is easy on is absolutely focused on doing what we can to help fund because I m is of course we re. Already have the prepayment price cap which came into effect earlier this year off Gemma consulting on extending a price chapped cap to vulnerable customers will be working with off gen to see what the implications of that are and of course we re not going to stand in the way if it helps vulnerable customers what I should say is that we do target vulnerable customers specifically to try and get them on to the right target for them we also have the Eon care an assessment tool which helps us assess whether customers are vulnerable what help they need and will visit their house advise them on what energy savings they can make so this is an absolute focus for us if we maybe look at the u.k. Economic situation in Iran is a German owned company operating in Britain What s that going to mean for your business after Bracks and what s the perfect trade deal look like for a company like yours when of course we can t say at the moment exactly what it will mean because it s not clear what the result of Bracks it will be but I think I guess there are 3 or 4 key asks from from a deal firstly we want a pragmatic deal not a dogmatic deal so as far as possible we want to stay in things like the internal energy market we actually import 7 percent of our electricity from the European Union at the moment so it s important we have frictionless trade between the countries of the you and that benefits everybody and if I give you an example look at offshore wind where we had a very. High reduction in the cost of offshore wind recently announced in the auctions last week eon started down the road of investing in offshore wind 12 years ago and we ve worked with colleagues from across Europe in Germany in Sweden in Denmark to ensure that we share technical capabilities we share best practice and all of that has played a part in driving down the cost of offshore wind and we want to make sure that that kind of collaboration continues after a break deal I think the other key point is we don t want a cliff edge for what s critical is. Get a transitional period so that we don t have any major abrupt changes to the conditions of trading with the Allied Force who quit one about customer service Michael so a couple of people are going to people not being not calling back when they re supposed to but we re also others of the one this text says I am elderly and I ve waited hours for Iran to answer the telephone they make a profit and I pay for the calls I want to change my direct debit without using a computer what about those customers who have been left behind by the the digital revolution when of course as I already said we have a big focus on customers who are vulnerable we have had some long wait times in our core centers over the some of the was an unprecedented level of calls largely driven by the fact that energy was very high on the policy agenda over the summer and had a mob of media interest that meant we had very high call volume I d like to apologize personally to any customers who were not able to breach is I m pleased to say that that has improved significantly over the last 2 to 3 weeks because we ve really worked hard to put more resources on to that we ve taken people off sales import them on to services so we can deal with all of those customers many people also test texting us about smart meters after what we were saying earlier about those but also pointing out that actually there is plenty people saying there are unreliable vulnerable runnable blurs who s made vulnerable to being hacked and also people saying it s very difficult they don t they re not compatible with other suppliers so many people don t want these smart meters What about those people that don t actually want them well I always say why wouldn t you want a device that tells you how much energy you re using and means that you only pay for what you use what you use I mean the energy industry is backwards in many ways you know we have estimated bills we have to wait for me to read it so you know exactly how much energy you can do that work if you sense a power silly they work their say supply bill and secure in terms of switching suppliers they will continue to work. As an electricity meter but they won t be a smart meter when you switch for the time being the rich acne Kalischer there and when the government data communications company goes live yet next year those issues will be resolved so I m confident that by 2020 everyone will have been offered a smart meter and everybody will be able to take advantage of the benefits of a smart meter and that s why we re doing this so that all of our customers can get the benefits of a smart meter and that smart future will begin with a price drop Ok Many thanks Michael Lewis the chief executive of in the u.k. Many thanks for your time thanks to the morning and many thanks for all your texts and social media messages we have plenty of those today many thanks for those. Let me say I ve just got a couple more. On the diet we got one child says good morning from Queens.