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Spall now it is the final day of the 1st Test between New Zealand and England Kevin Howells has the latest in Auckland a minimum of $74.00 overs remain for England to battle this out for which it stands to 175 for 4 strokes and Bairstow with the not have barely put on 33 runs so far there is say with the 74 overs of me that 194 behind a lot of work to do just in the introduction of leg spin for the 1st time after $69.00 overs a total being brought into the attack Jonny Bairstow was dropped before scoring Milan was over $23.00 The best are still there on 21 England on some to 54 trailed by 194 runs more updates to come but right now more sport with show your stock bubble Watson has run to victory in the final of the World Golf Match Play in Austin he never gave Kevin case now look him in the final beating him 7 in 6 Alex Norrin has been just in Thomas in the 3rd place match the Reading Women manager Kelly Chambers says the Chelsea ladies goalkeeping coach has apologised to after their 2 or League draw for attempting to punch a member of a backroom staff chambers described it as heat of the moment stuff elsewhere in the Liverpool were beaten 4 nil by Birmingham whilst Manchester City Arsenal and evidence are all through to the women s F.A. Cup semifinals and Sean Murphy says it had been a real honor to share the stage with Ronnie O Sullivan in the final of snoopers Players Championship O Sullivan comfortably beat him by 10 frames to 4 this is B.B.C. 5 Live on digital on was smartphone and tablet a lot more like the weather a widespread risk of fronts that the next few was trying point to start later cloudy Susan my Sunil s dispels a brain faculty plainness by The Smiths later in the day a few scary and crockery thanks to was how a. Few. Was . So. Yes it s. Really fascinating conversation this morning for our parenting funny we re talking about how you talk to children about those issues or a lot of parents might find difficulty with. The birds and the baby s questions about relationships questions about how children came to be how they were made the kind of question that you don t want asked of you by a 7 year old at the supermarket trust me and one of my guess correct Latinas about that and also it was 7 years actually 6 but the interesting thing I found about Claire s explanation of what happened when her daughter said Oh I know I was maids and when it s a graphic detail as to how she was made all the other shoppers leaned in and it would confirm it. Was to be one of the supermarkets in Hackney east London I m sure. Anyway so it s OK about how you talk to kids about the birds and bees and were ages appropriate to talk to kids about these kind of things and also this is a fast a thing that I really like your comments on in the next 20 minutes or so which is what she wished parents had said. About relationships about the birds and bees they didn t. 808-590-9693 generated mince is with us as well and she will know more about this because she s got 3 kids and has been through it several several times is there anything that you haven t told your kids that they might want to know about with regard to the birds the bees and anything at all Jane. I know I can think of off the top of my head but I m sure there is stuff that I haven t told them just because it hasn t come up I am personally sure certainly with the older 2 if there was anything they wanted to know we have a relationship Well in fact with all of them with something they want to know they know they can ask me and they have frequently asked me. To the extent where there are times when I think they need to employ a little bit of privacy a sit in there with my eldest who used to tell me things that made me just want to scream I am your mother you don t need to tell me that you know I. Said things that I would consider really private he has shared with me and I ve gone I ve got it. It s but I ve got along with it and I ve you know I have been really cold and gone now yeah OK great whatever but in my head I m kind of going please stop talking now I have no need to know this I don t want you to tell me this is far too much information but he s such an open book that it was all out there and the only time I did actually say something was when he was talking to me about birth control with his girlfriend. And he was telling me about him her mother was going to take her for the implants and all of that and I just said to him you know I wonder how she would feel if she knew that you were telling me all this. And he says Oh she probably won t care and I said Well do you know about that just because you don t care doesn t mean that she won t care she might consider that to be private and not something she wants her boyfriend s mother to know about. And I think that s the only time when I actually told him to stop but other than that it s just in my head going and what about you bring and was anything because of you that you wish your parents and so well over the course of the last hour there actually is a nationally thought that there would be nothing that I want my parents back. But actually I think that. It was what he said about choosing friends and the whole thing that s almost like a practice and I think that I had I probably wished my parents to say it s OK to not be friends with that person just because a boy likes you doesn t mean you have to like them back. And I think that would have been just to have permission as it were to say it s very nice that you like me but I m not interested thanks rather than being kids were brought up to be so polite and to not hurt other people s feelings and then it s very difficult to then . Now I have to say that so very nice but I m not interested in same straight food but to eat in my house so it seems said while the drop says the other way around we have to say it s OK to be friends if somebody can use. The story that she went to the school prom and you know she climbed up for the school prom and one of the boys as schools said. You know really nice. I m not that kind of a girl you know. Anyway. Heather in Pennsylvania usas with us hello. How are you tonight I m all right good to hear from you pretty sure the cool. So do you is it the same in the United States is it do parents have the same kind of conundrums of talking to their children about the birds in the bees it were Oh of course a salute really. And one of the things like mine where I was raised in my grandparents when I was 4 years old so. My grandparents actually kind of relied on my aunt. To talk to me about these sorts of things and when my cousin was about 4 or 5 I think he started asking so they they had a book called Where Do I come from. And I know if you guys have it over there in the U.K. But. Back in the seventy s to another thing where it was still. You know my grandparents were of that generation that you just don t you know talk about those things. So this book where do I come from it was a it was a kind of cartoonishly illustrated. Of you know a mom and a dad and you know what a woman s body looks like you know a dad s body looks like and. I and I talked about it in very simple terms that children could understand without being entirely graphic. And it just kind of said you know OK you know my men s bodies are different from men s bodies and then you put them together and then you know a baby happens kind of. Simplifying the whole book but it just I just remember reading it you know to my cousin and reading it with my aunt and it it made it like . and oh it made even understand but also wanted to thank our you just you know you know the kind thing get it you know like really yeah you do you had to take yeah thank you for greening out noun it it that that happened going on i m pretty sure of seen this book actually i m as you describe it tomi something else with when when you said the because you were brought up by your grandparents and the con conversation we re having is a kind of conservation there would never of that clearly the you would go to school than all me other children he that a different set type of guardian well this is their direct parents or otherwise and their parents mine they bore forth coming in given them the information so your lynn the mixing clout so be some kids yeah who don t have the information because of the type of guard is or pairs that they have in they ll be other kids they have the information because the type of pence of gardens they having they ll be kids in the middle who caught one paired of each oh so you can live has set then your were of a you know they have the information on nor and i wonder where the it s helpful to see you to be in a situation where there are other kids we ve information that they made share with you say your your effects of lee learning work you should babs it be better of be got a load if you ll graham parents learning from some other a year old kid i am think that ever really happened i mean when we said having health class and we are and 9th mine 4th grade so everybody s about 9 or 10 we started having help class and like the boys would go in one room with a boy teacher and are male teacher and then the girls would go in another room with a female teacher and we had like is little pam puts on like growing up and you know lot of it had more to do with you know the changes that we re going to happen to us is girls becoming when men and you know dispel a lot of the mists around our period in so on but it had like illustrations and so on and i remember i left mine out on my desk one day after health class like i went to the bathroom and i came back in the girl it that next meek of like hidden it because she s like you can let the boy see this and so and i was this like then i guess guy went what welling not it s you know boys and girls but it yeah i so but another boat the i mean it when he talking about the kids and so i and i don t know as much as it was our parents but we started passing around the duty boom book forever when i listen like 6 hours a day the mention that want to a mass in but when i would proof of years old yeah i m didn t put up in the real me don t know what yet he would look for any deep actually it was is yeah it was oh yeah oh it was you hid it from your parents yeah i had it was around the whole replied it we always bad it yep i ve you know what was it holden s so you deeply in forever ever judy play in forever mile the buel says do you to blame yeah jean very a book is who ll forever oki and yeah you d are you like the celie me the mud daughters of hidden the book from ms they ve all read it if i m still of a have yeah or something to said of last you know i ll go however find out sure us it s yeah it s basically a book about a girl has like a senior in high school and and she meets a boy it a party in they have Relationship that progresses and you know goes on and they she loses her virginity in the course of the book and so on. But it explores like you know you have that kind of age in the hormones and then you re in love and you know and after they lose their virginity they think this is forever you know and they re going to be together forever and you know and it kind of goes on with you know at the end of the book they break up and they you know they don t end up being together forever but you know she you know they re kind of it s it s one of those things where it says it s not the end of the world you know and she s going to go on and have another you know relationship at some point. Yeah this is never thank you appreciate the call and thank you for sharing some of that with us there s. No my pleasure before we care on the phone and let s just catch up with the latest is from New Zealand in the cricket scam in Aus was happening 5 where you stand now Dawson Jonny Bairstow it s been dismissed it was a long ball from the top asked all the legspinner but bring the call by Kane Williamson midwicket so best has gone for 26 have been dropped on North and 21 England have taken the score 218145 which trails by 188 of the all important figure here the minimum over 71.3 remaining Ben Stokes not out on 18 if I might just do quick research or. Something. No nothing nothing I don t think you can answer it so let me go with my little research of years of this book called Forever by Judy Blume No I m not going to opt out of boys aged 9 is no excuse NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO but basically I m saying I ve been listening with some interest to what you ve been talking about but I d very happy to concentrate on the cricket. But listen and see as far as I can recall I think my sex education as a teenager in the eighty s was entirely based on phenomena wrong I. Think was it that I wish I had been based on that are obvious I can t remember one way or the other but it s it s a subject we didn t discuss too much after that Doc. And as. Yes As I said that point again I concentrate on the cricket right near to Kevin thank you very much I m pretty sure that will catch up with you later on a couple of things and. I mean fascinating conversation and thank you both is sharing some of these issues with us as well. By the way I do want to read this to you but one of our listeners. Let children be children don t rob them. With reference to you. No I. I mean robbed them of the reality of explaining the reality of life providing them with the opportunity to have conversations that keep them safe I mean I didn t mention this earlier but for 2 years I worked as a teenage pregnancy and sexual health advisor so I went into secondary schools all the time on enrichment days and health and wellbeing days and delivered sessions on contraception healthy relationships S.T.R. Eyes but that s very different to the conversation in the home and I feel like I can speak to children in a school setting in a different way you know these are secondary school children however when your own child who is looking to you for guidance and is learning from you about being honest and truthful and boundaries and you know. To lie to your children at back 8 I think is more harmful. Than helpful would you say that your child and I generally asking this might sound a little bit humorous now but I remember myself you know having a moment I was talking about children losing their virginity for example and just the language of that suggests that it s not necessarily a good thing that you re losing something and I generally when I was a certain age. You know everyone loses you know that s going to lose something that is precious or you know that I ve had over time maybe not precious but I ve had over time I was genuinely souls who I was a long way away from losing it have it s I when I was thinking. I don t lose it and it s good that s a good thing it may help you pull out how does your house you say to a child no don t be concerned about losing it but why would because that s the truth isn t it no matter my bell but the idea of losing it if that gives you pause for thought if that makes she think twice. At such a young age then that s a good thing surely why why do you member when clearly just said about her work. And she said you have to tell the truth to these people to younger people let alone usually Yeah but you are losing something yeah but what I m losing it s something that I m losing but that I shouldn t be afraid of is like losing my voice in this part of growing up you lose something don t you know you lose your voice and you move on but you know your voice is broken I m sorry to lose a break of you when frightened of that review your voice breaking I wasn t frightened of losing my virginity but I thought. It was there was going to be some kind of change from the person that I d always known I d always had something that even though I had called my virginity and that somehow it would be I would be losing it and really what you should say to children is. Not losing anything maybe you re gaining something. It s both this is not the truth. You know my daughter isn t a fav school and I went to a fave school and I I The shame of the guilt associated with sex and relationships I think is harmful and I think you know there is a lot of negative connotation and you know especially when you re in a school setting and discussing these things it s dangerous and it s fear and it s you know inappropriate and that s not great but then it has to be it does have to be balanced with saying you do need that moment of pause if it stops you know tracks for a 2nd and you know that was a good thing for me about being the face school I was stopped and I thought God can see me up what my mom did what my mom say and you know when I get to heaven that moment that I could just stop and think about what I was doing but yeah it is there s a fine line between the 2. Yeah there is but then you see my children of all things said to me when when they ve learnt all about sex is in their initial reaction has usually been. And then they go whoa why do people do it and that s when I think you can counter it with it can be a really nice experience and people like to have sex because it s pleasurable and you know and see counter it with that. I think is to pat you have to put a balance in there as with all things really. To make sure that they re not thinking it s shameful or awful and there is something that s done for pleasure as well. But yes be careful be wary. And do you have that pool of Justice think do I actually really want to do this this is Shawn in Cumbria says I do small diagram for my son age 4 His response was mommy and daddy sell a tape together followed by innocent giggles of wonderment. Well I ve gained a self another couple of years with that when you know one of our listeners says My brother told me a lot of rubbish as did friends before I was 10 years old early teens girls schools most girls pretended they were socially active culturally is working class kid from broken family home. Family broken up became normal to be forced into sex says distances rude shock when I had the loveliest man ever and sexual relations with wow. The birds and bees having grown up surrounded by so my mom s side of the family not strong cause of my dad s side of the family made things a little awkward and embarrassing Zani had a younger brother. Went to school we had adolescent lessons with males and females all in a room of 13 years I remember because of the girls on one side of the room in the males who either lost or embarrassed and there was. One thing that helped the most was one of my godparents brought me the book just good friends but they were the joys of a good. Many questions at the right time so as for that yeah probably good parents are concerned I can see that probably the easy way of good parents thought to tell you understand. And is it different now do you think is it easier today than when we grew up to solve the size questions I d say our daughter Yes I mean if you see the pop ups that come on You Tube in between programs My daughter loves frozen and she go on and I don t know how but you know they just roll into another and there was a frozen and there was a pregnant else I ran and actually you know if you go further down the line it wasn t for children it was definitely adults who ve gone there created something completely inappropriate and I thought you know well she s just. Innocently typed in you know frozen so all else are and that s popped up so I think with so much access to information the click of a button and by accident with the pop ups is very important to start the conversation as early as possible even though I have the parenting restrictions on everything I thought as I said you choose just to tell me just very quickly John do we have to. Tell you I just don t want to arms to do we have to protect children from thinking that what they might see on the Internet is the birds and bees yes absolutely I think there are so that I think they re as parents were a lot more open and it s easier for our children to have those conversations with us but with that becomes a lot of there s a lot bigger responsibility these days because they are exposed to so much and they are not old enough to think critically about who s made that where s it come from what are they trying to say yeah and we have to teach them to do that listen thank you both of you gentlemen send Antakshari as well as got the latest 5 headlines down as all about Boller form digits a lot more in smartphones and tablets this is B.B.C. 5 Live. 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Thousands of people have been protesting across Catalonia following the rest of the region s former leader Collis Pritam and he s facing rebellion charges following his disputed independence referendum in the sport it s the final day the 1st Test between New Zealand in England Kevin How has the latest No 5 wickets still standing we have got $68.00 overs as a minimum left of this Test match and Stokes and knowing that only a lot of care for England 818645 they trailed by 183 runs the 2 wickets to have gone fairly early on after 6 overs of play today out for 23 caught at 2nd slip of the burning of Tim Southee and then Jonny Bairstow had to let off one without scoring and one on 21 should been called but then he was called by Kane Williamson and midwicket from a short delivery from Tod Arsenal and he smashed it the best a bit very well Corp I wouldn t since the best has gone for 26 an awful long way to go for England who have not yet reached the 1st interval on this final day 18645 am sure 518368 overs left and I just look up and I see them oh in any area nearly is out but he survives there the rest of the school from show your sock Watson cruised to victory in the final of the World Golf Match Play in Austin beating Kevin Costner 7 in 6 more from the B.B.C. s golf correspondent in Carter the final turned into a non contest with Bubba Watson romping to his 2nd title of the year the big hitting left hander took complete control needing only one birdie as he took the 1st 5 holes against an out of sorts Kevin from then on it was only a matter of time his no prolonged proceedings Bye Birdie in the 11th but Watson closed it out $7.00 and $6.00 at the next this victory suggests he must be regarded as one of the favorites for the Masters that s ornament Watson has won twice before Ronnie O Sullivan has his mojo back ahead of the World Championships Newcomb next month the rocket took the Players Championship title implanted no with a $104.00 win over SEAN MURPHY In the final and he had to come from behind in 5 of the 10 frames he won. Sure and a lot of games 1st you know which showed he was probably you know feeling confident but just kept breaking down on fifty s and fall is and stuff like that and you know I just kept winning little safety exchanges and in making you know good friendly clearances so not not the type of match to want to play with being on a charge and well I was winning a Frenchman visit but you know I ve done what I had to do Leicester Tigers director of rugby mount O Connor says Jonny May took a nasty knock to the head in their premiership win over Wasps by the 2 Lang is also likely to be out for a couple of weeks with a pictorial injury Meanwhile the Wales and lions tight head prop Adam Jones has announced that he s going to retire at the end of this season reading women manager Kelly Chambers says the Chelsea ladies goalkeeping coach has apologised after their 2 or League draw for attempting to punch a member of her backroom staff chambers though says it s unlikely the club will pursue the matter further Now I don t think so we re like we ve got a great relationship with Chelsea and that was a disappoint inside of it but it is what it is and I see if what we want to do if we take it further or not that we ll know is he at the moment stuff and that s the frustrating thing that things aren t action happen because it doesn t reflect on the game of football that we ve had today elsewhere in the W S L Liverpool were beaten 4 nil by Birmingham whilst Manchester City Arsenal and Everton are all through to the women s F.A. Cup semi finals you had a concert on Venus Williams will face each other in the 4th round of the Miami Open tennis it s after wins over Burton s and Merton s Williams came from behind to beat Kiki Burton s in 3 sets earlier defending champion concer ease past at least Merton s 6261 and that s the latest from B.B.C. Sport 1st for news and the best life sport this is B.B.C. 5 Live. 8 What Johnson had a buyout was a 100 years ago exactly yesterday that Walter told the 1st black British officer in the British army died fighting the battle of the Somme he was also a footballer play for Tottenham Hotspur Northampton Town his biographer is for. Vassily and the knickers Bailey play doctor treatment in Eastenders have been paid tribute to him with a very special Memorial Lecture But 1st Garth croaks the football pundit on how he 1st discovered that Walton solid play for Tottenham was injured the 1st time I d. Read a serious injury like ray of the college injury. We won the F.A. Cup and he won and blew again for the what are they to the back of the 2 I suffered this serious injury not out for some time. And anybody this was a injure any sport will tell you it s it s it s a nightmare and you spend a lot some in a treatment room and it s the rehabilitation getting back to full fitness is the paid in the grueling the sweat and the grime and you hate it and you re there 2 and 3 sessions a day sometimes. All to get back to fitness and jury in the times where I was waiting for my 2nd or 3rd round of treatment I spend some of the time walking through the car and also looking at old pictures I m fascinated by football history and I was going through and I ve gone through the 67 side and I saw that get against Chelsea I was aware of that some of them in the fifty s and I see you know some great players Blanchflower Mikolaj and I ve gone through the back I m going to I m seeing some pictures of some fascinating and I see this picture. As a kid mixed race kid with his legs crossed in front of the Red Bulls that takes his $19.00 oh no nothing call possibly baby but only 2 black players ever played the top and I m one of them. I m fascinated and it s partly fear. That you know my legacy could have been destroyed . So I I. I immediately ringed the top spy program he said the light let s yes it s wonderful that those old journalistic everything on typewriter. And I said less is it s a mixed race kid one of the top of photographs and it s not Christian. And he said What are you talking I said I mean he says 909 and he said he s not going to preside Let s cross the 1st scene picture he got off a stupid. Just came back tonight and I do easy saddler to you talking about websites that the picture come and see it so you want to do a profile of made for that and not particularly for the preceding game. And I did the pace for the program but then he researched this man and he said to me you never going to believe what I found I said well what you told MacArthur got not even asked there. And he sent me the cuttings and I couldn t believe what I was reading knowing this man play for Tottenham Hotspur for a number of games and nights No 9 I mean I played a top I mean in 980 and I knew what it was like playing in the top flight football around the country God knows what it s like playing for Tottenham and not you know not with those crowds I think Phil actually gave you a sense of that and he s like chip. But when I actually started to read what he went through. That was one thing I could identify with the football but I couldn t identify with what I couldn t get my head around was this was a man who fought so bravely in the 1st World War and was a leader of men now this is a big deal for me because it s nice that he too was part of a team I wasn t captain in every team I played I was never a county it wasn t cool for people at golf croaks to be captains of football teams in those days he was a man in $1009.00 who got the 1st World War and man recognised what this man that s what this was about this was that Bat character. I m in a Reese a real mad real but I don t talk about those guys who join these Mickey Mouse races suit organizations I m talking real men recognize real character so when I read his story I was I was really moved by it and he became a hero of like Garth Crooks yesterday Only 130 version of the death of Walter it s all of the best of the saw the inaugural Walter told Memorial Lecture was given by actinic Bailey you play Dr Truman in the series and 1st Walter told Barbara for Phil Vassily it s been a Wow Nic and we would been on this journey Wow Now a long time. I mean of course you you started how to how did you come across a Walter because they re not well to tell everyone how how I began on that journey Well I was doing research into the history of black footballers in Britain because my brothers and I think an American father. And I m interested in history play football and I thought well if they had been black people in Britain since the Roman period which Peter Fry s booky to. I was told I ll be Alison was the 1st black footballer in Britain and I thought. I m not so sure about this and then I was reading this encyclopedia of football by Maurice goes with it and there was one line about. It said the tell and a section called Color plays it shows you how far back. When it was written Yeah but as a Spurs a poor I thought I ve never heard of the sky you know how could I be how could yes so I thought Right well I think a bit and the more found the more I was amazed but on the other hand the more I was amazed because we all know that history s written by the winners so it didn t surprise me actually. This guy a working class black London mixed heritage Londoner have been for. Despite its achievements so obviously you know that s what really gets me into it you thought the story s got to be told it s just amazing and meeting the family. He s brother Edward Stuart was still alive this took about the ninety s now and going up to Scotland to the Highlands of Scotland I mean this kind of little mixed heritage lady in the Highlands you know. Married to a lovely good reverend Duncan Felice in. Such a dry sense if you can really dance you were you d never know the reverence of you please don t call or anything. Yeah yeah I mean you re absolutely right I mean I have to thank you for. Giving us the gift of water in a way because had it not been for your curiosity Internet city would not be seen it was a time when we were 2 of the only people in the whole country even heard Walter s name. And for my part I I sort of joined the story a few years down the line when I was crushing on my brother s side for. In 7 Sisters and having to get up before him had been out the night before and I picked up the local paper. The paper whatever it s called and I remember flicking through the pages just you know for something to do in the morning I came across a tiny article which said Bunny Grant M.P. May rest in peace the M.P. Taught him at the time had hosted a memorial football match Spurs more a football match and a tiny picture of Walter and a little about him being the 1st black. Officer in the British Army and when the 1st I believe it s heritage outfield player to play for Spurs. Again how is it possible that I m not aware of the. No I love my history and I was a story in school that we were never taught about black and Asian history apart from in context of empire or politics. And I reached out I reached out to Spurs but then I went on to Northampton Town and I said Tell me more but suppose somebody has got to tell the story I m an actor I thought to myself well it s all these stories and I ll deal play on movie or something and they put me on to you and they sent me I got in contact I emailed you and you sent me a copy of basically your entire research up to that point which I read in 4 seconds flat and I was just inspired invigorated by and then I reached out to you and then I was lucky enough to go on a bit of that journey with you as we try to. Create this this this this this film to tell this story somehow going to be on a road meeting the Reverent been listen and Jane and Ed and other members of his family and really feeling the currents of what s in the legacy of Walter. So that was 20 years ago next month actually well isn t it amazing you know we talk about water now as you know opening doors for other people other people of color to move to move through but he brings people he constantly brings people together he opened so many doors he he created you know in the wake of what s his life there s so much love that he s engender and this is the thing it brings for me it s been an absolute privilege to go in a journey with people like you so I mean people like that in you know we ve the other guests coming in. And you just think I m so fortunate you know I m so fortunate that this is just a stroke of luck that nobody has done anything almost to I can t believe how lucky I am I feel I mean my children bring me. The greatest joy of my life. My partner is Elaine. But won t say you know after a lame but I absolutely incredible but. You know what Britain is a different place than it was it must been a schizophrenia for to because on the one hand he was loved because of who he was on the other hand he be abused just because of his color and who he was and so he just what went through his mind how did you deal with that you know did that is that what made him such a strong character that as an actor and as somebody who just looks for stories and everything I think that s what inspired me was thinking on the train on the way down. Why does water main this much to me personally I was thinking kind of subjectively about things and of course in other wider context and what his example means. But I thought to myself. How is it possible to miss somebody I ve never known never met in a way how is it how is it possible for him to be this sort of global that which everybody can get behind and it s interesting because I wanted to play him I think because I want answered that question I want to know I want to use my imagination to speculate on who he was and I want to. I understand how it is possible for somebody in the face of those barriers that abuse a society that that where the norm was racism to serve in an army where. That wasn t ready for him for a country that didn t want him to serve and lay down his life to get up every day in the trenches knowing that he might lose his life when it would have been easy for him to abdicate all responsibility and step away to walk out on the terraces I mean I don t know whether he it was his choice to leave spouse or not but. I have a sense he would have carried on even though the deafening baying of the crowd he must have had such a strong sense of himself and his character his identity is values and his principles musta been. Carved very young and within that loving family that he was within his well right yeah I think you know. 100 years ago today but he story and he a so relevant today you know we live in an age where. The divisions. Within a scenario from for. From different places different forces different people ism and you know water is a force that brings us together and he because he overcame obstacles because he wouldn t let those obstacles in the people who tried to diminish him he wouldn t let them poison him he he he was you know he s a major Paul described him as a humble and unassuming man amongst other things as having immense courage and to nice to things you talked about make but you know you think yeah he s got that incredible in a strength that I went to South Africa in 2010 for the World Cup We put an exhibition on about author war in the District 6 Museum and each week in District 6 Museum they get people who cleared out of district 6 the old residents to have a social and I was so humbled by. Talking to those people they refused to be poisoned and brought down by apartheid they were going to be bitter and cynical and and I thought you are you do you just humble me you know because you ve shown and that s water he you people when he s in a strength and you think that s the he s the role model we need you know what a story is what we need to we need this young man is care probably not yeah you re absolutely right and and you know what you say there is spot on he could have become cynical. He could have subscribed to the narratives that were placed in front of him what he did instead he said I decide who I am I decide what I do. My decisions define me my character is strong and I m going to do what I feel in my heart to do so he held a mirror and he said to himself I m sure he said to himself I know who I am and then he turns it to us and he says Do you know who you are and that s the thing I think that Stuart that s the thing that that always always come back to because. He had all those things thrown at him but he did what he did anyway. And I always speculate on what he could have been today you re absolutely right you know 2018 you know demonstrations divisions and 30 over immigration race it could be 1919 the world was changing as it s changing today people are rising up women people from black and minority ethnic backgrounds Walter would recognize if you would see today some what we re experiencing today as a society where this example and why I think he s a great leader is because he doesn t let those things define him. You know I heard an interview you did it reminds me of an interview I had with Anthony Joshua today he said if I believed everything that was written about me I would know who I am he said I I just have to say I know who I am so I know who I am and that has to be that s me that s me and I think it s so right about what he said about water but you know I. First when I began researching for she think it must mean so there were no support groups nobody really understood what you were going through world to you know didn t have kick out we didn t have other black players were many there one or 2 but not many you could talk to thing and say yeah where do we go we you know and. Then you find actually he had when you look at it dispersed team photos he s always sitting next to J.P. As Duran Duran I love you Mr Tasha s agent in. 19 I marathon when a child in the round and he s always smiling that and more than one photo she thought they ve got a good relationship they re close then you read the letters that pick up and Paul wrote and you think there were people who put their neck out for water quite rightly and they should have done you know. So he would he was loved and he was respected by so many people not a bad word not a hostile word said about him and what you ve never found one right that in that report of the Bristol match where he got some much racist abuse in the 1st I ve seen football head racist abuse in football headlines football and the kind of prejudice and I and the reports said. Let me tell those Brits the hooligans tell is so clean in mind a method as to be a model for what many play football now you know you couldn t get much higher praise so as much as people who gave him stick and gave him a hard time there were those. Who did love him because of who he was not my sick of him great strength he did have people around him very he wasn t Eisley he was in this and you want to lift it figure. I mean I remember certainly when we would be certain talk together when I was on that part of the journey some 1520 years ago. I got a sense from being in the bosom of a tight knit family and I believe Ed with his brother moved to another extraordinary man wasn t you know he s a dentist he was adopted whilst they were in a quiet or ice children the children s home they were both off and by that time and he was it adopted by a Glaswegian family became a prominent local Labor leader. He was a dentist he did a lot of pro bono work didn t he for the local community and he was trying to gather his family up to join him up Glasgow and Walter was of course he was there was speculation it s he was signing for for glass to do it February 17th I separated so so so so that he was about to go up to to Glasgow to join his family it gives us a sense that whatever he was he was effaced with the barrage of abuse that he knew there were people out there loved him and knew him. And he knew him self and that was enough in a way because that s freedom because you cannot take you know on the projections of other people what you re in fact doing you are living your own life. Answering to your own ideals. And I just have the sense that his father Danny was another fascinating man perhaps. He was able to impart some of that very young age to Walter would you would you would you concur with that well I think you know when you read about an expert on the history of Barbados but when you read about. You see emancipation and immediately post emancipation they didn t really get their freedom they were princes and they had to work for the plantation and there was lots of rebuttal and resistance and you do get and you do get that sense that people said no right we ve had enough we you know this is how it s going to be from now on because great there was a great. Big island wide riparian in Barbados in 1876 and that s when Daniel left 876 so I think Don you would have been you know he came from a society that only 30 years earlier been a slave society he was politicized you couldn t be any anything but if you lived in that kind of society now you talked about Edward Edward was a member of the League of colored people Harold Moody s organization that was one of the 1st. Organized nations for black civil rights in Britain so you and Gene Edwards daughter wrote to Paul wrote ropes and met Paul Robeson got letters back from Paul Robeson you know so they they were part of that kind of. Civil rights movement in Britain that was growing so I I think you know. Let s not forget Walter. Wanted to join the British West Indies regiment he wrote a letter to Edward saying you know when the but the talent come out tomorrow I m going to apply so there was a growing political consciousness in Finland. War Not families and I think that s really interesting it is year it is it s kind of action action decision making. And it s funny because of what you say about Walter wanting to join the British within the regiment. And people have been engaging with me in saying well you know what what what what sense do we make of this he was an officer so what but the fact that he led white troops at a time when the army was not only discouraging. Non white people from joining the army. It was a racist institution and didn t want black people to take up arms with the possibility of killing other white people even though those white people were opposing us. But the joint and it became an infantry officer and led white men. And then he rose so quickly. Through the ranks shows that within you know a footballing regiment the 1st will something with Alan of the Middlesex Roger regiment that he was he was somebody who was regarded well wherever he went and that can only happen if you walk the walk. And I don t I don t get a sense it was difficult. To understand who Walter was within a very few seconds of meeting him. And this quiet this kind of stillness that was behind him indicates to me a massive strength massive strength in spite of the pain that must have been in his heart or maybe because of you I don t know but. I can respect a man who says this isn t where I am this is what I m going to do and he does it. And I think that s I think that s a lesson for all of us you know you can you can let what is all around you define you. Or you can decide who you are going to be and what you re going to do yourself. And I think that s something that we that we can all learn from as this is special in times like this the sounds Yeah I think I totally agree I think what they when they were in folks than they were very. Their lives revolved around the Methodist Church I mean our religious myself but I can see how positive that was you know that because there was a kind of moral compass for them that and whoa to had that moral compass see which obviously would have been. Galvanized when he went to the orphanage which is a Methodist often age so there there was you know he had values the came out of that he stuck to. That gave him a kind of it gave him guidance and I think that we mustn t forget that for people to know how to be themselves they we do we do have to have some kind of moral compass that has to be some kind of you know rules that we all agree that we play by and you know. The Australian print thing at the moment you think compare that to water when he was getting abuse rather than start going around kicking people and he said well I m going to play harder it is so clean in mind a method as to be a model you know that s what he did he says why are you going to show you how good I am and that you know that s what that is better yeah what he did because he was an entertainer Yeah let s face it footballers are entertainers as much as I am and that that that is another level on which he saw impresses because you know. I can imagine him well not with is not on the pitch not there. I can see him getting deeper in better driving harder. Not necessarily to show people but just because that decision to be the best that he can be is the color that he lives by he doesn t live by the code of those people that know him so what the hell what what what do they matter do you not I mean in a way and. You know I see I ve never seen a picture of waterways eyes on smiling where you don t get a sense that he s OK with himself and we all know that that s the ultimate That s the ultimate gift isn t it it s when everybody else around you is OK and you re not OK with yourself then you ve got problems and you know. The other thing to say of course is that course he suffered from P.T.S.D. Right yeah I mean you know to come back from that to actually is only 28th birthday the hospitalized you know the. 28th of April 1916 he gets sent to a field hospital with with what we now call post-traumatic stress syndrome and then he s 10 days later shipped back to to England and you know that would have finished a lot of people you know it was I icy is the straw that broke the camel s back really because you know look he s my dieties died died he goes you re familiar torn away from us he s family in folks and then his brother who is very close to is taken away and opted and he his career is is.