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Yes. That would be the 12th of. Racing towards Christmas the green. Cross. Called the. Instrumentalist he is yes he was. Quite a bit as well. But this is very much in. The partial to a bit of the. Psychedelic Yeah. Yeah so yeah this is at the green room. And as you say. In a shift. It s only $850.00 all right it s. Called . Said some polls. Suggest it. Said It s. Set some goals. Janet. Says. And Jennifer sits alone there yeah from the moon yes playing. With the green room an acoustic show an acoustic show a week tonight Thursday the 12th. Quiet news day I think they are right yeah. Right baby. At 95 I fab d.a.b. Freeview 72 b.b.c. Sounds as well Robert Nickell are a over there going to speak very shortly with. The daughter of. Just extraordinary body of photography documenting life in the Northeast from the late 1970 s. Onwards really and kind of specialized in like marginalized of vanishing communities does these wonderful photos. Sorry to say died in 2013 is very much protecting on promoting her legacy as a photographer going to join us live in the studio in 2 ticks I would do our student disco 1st seems like a nice idea tonight student disco starting with this from my life story. for a play championship game at the Riverside. Keep listening to the b.b.c. a lost classic I think that is Reale to ask called Monday morning 519 and I thank you so little has I got very excited to hear my life story on the radio right she s been to the gym tonight and is listening on the drive home so I ll know if Mikey boy starts talking about me. Really Chuen day and just in time to hear my life story sure. If you says space we think of Terry Scott Yeah yeah sure. Amber says and you would fill file I ll be the person to ask about the history of codpieces a would you know about. Me is what you say because you ve got suits of armor here on early the museum Yeah yeah I would say we re on the programme was it last week he was even talking about Captain Cocke or was it the week before that you keep tabs on these things have reached that age you know how cartel anybody I mean what I m saying. For I wasn t here so. Yeah I wasn t here last week it was to be in the week before yes of course Johnny was Prague. And indeed Roger both liked the mood and Jennifer sits alone Johnny says your time but psychedelic track up Salut least spot on all because I just relocated to Prague we often. 3 Put Shuli just fix. Some tall wood incense cold. Although I don t want a window if I were you I know it is a bit breezy. Yeah absolutely right b.b.c. I don t know all this but for sure here and Robert Nichols over there I think for I ll do that it is but for sure here on 95 f.m. Freeview 7 to 2 and b.b.c. Sounds as well Robert Nickell still with me in the studio as well and delighted to be joined by Ellen Murtha who s here with us I ve got you know I ve been trying to shift. Every single aisle shift that way if you can take the microphone with you I appreciate it like we had 7 minutes of music to be able to sort this out but we ended up looking. Through it quite rightly so. Is the daughter. Just an extraordinary photographer documented northeast of life well not just northeastern life but she was from the northeast and so many of our photographs. Document you know Northeast life from the late 1970 s. Onwards in really vivid style Thank you so much for coming in this evening it s no it s a pleasure and lovely to meet you I mean can we talk a little bit about because she was from the South Shields she was born in South Shields Yeah she was one of 10 so she was. Of 10 children yeah. And then the family moved to Els like. Which is where the majority of the force were taken Yeah they moved there but yeah she was born so shields and moved to Newcastle Yeah I went to the interest in photography Ok Or was it something that she d always been interested to know. What why actually happened with photography. The area where they lived in. Was sort of it was a you know they used to get a lot of middle class cope rollers pestering them pestering the young girl yeah good groove so what she did she started carrying a camera had no film in it right because she realized that it was deterrent so that 1st it was like a defense could if any of the middle class Coca-Cola sort of pulled all yeah and like we re trying to proposition her in a friends and stuff she just used to with the camera and then they would just disappear so this is my about mobile phones yeah so obviously when I was a teenager it was so you know yes yeah not nobody really had cameras then yeah and it was a friend of hers who had given to this camera saw it had no film and if you could really afford a film Yeah but she realized that the power of just having this camera and sort of that then led to when she could afford film then taken $4.00 and then she realised that she was actually quite good at it and just the friend who gave her the camera her boyfriend who s now her husband was a boyfriend at the time. He actually took me down to Bath Lane College in New Castle and sort of pushed her to to enroll Yeah and she got a place on this call so that nice girl got Yeah yeah and. Yeah it just seemed to be the perfect fit and she got so much junk she realize she was really good at this and. It just seemed to come naturally so that s where it came from initially so did she decide at that point that she wanted to make a career out of that well the thing with photography and my mom was she never ever considered her work art documentary photography and to her it had to have like a point to wait she was trying to assure the truth and trying to sure she just she believed that photography could change things yeah and like a so when she was in New Castle and before she got to new porch and some pictures she taken there was there was something where somebody had been accused of a theft and it went to caught and. The prosecution witness had said they d seen this there from this forward box and my mom s picture was used as evidence that it couldn t possibly have been seen from the full right so I thought it was things like that and so it was gentle she realized that photography camera could be a powerful tool yes on protection but actually photography itself can be really powerful and help people saw she wanted to learn to become a better photographer to try and you know all shawl reality of things and help people do you know it was always the underdog all was you know the underprivileged that she was always sort of drawn to him she wanted to highlight that true and interesting that you mentioned that school of documentary we re talking for because didn t she go to she went to New York it s like to specifically to study Yeah well which was quite like going to an emerging discipline that it was yeah it was really new David hernot and recently set it off and it yes it was a pathway and a cheater there who had seen something in her he pushed her to go to the interview and he helped her get a grant if it wasn t for him there s no way she could afford to go or do you know he got her and he applied to Newcastle education authority and got her a grant and I ve included the letter in the youth unemployment because I thought it was so powerful because so one from a man s background you know I like it it wasn t expected of us to go to university you know as you know not in that era No it was you know all that was going to be there for me what we talk when we re talking about this was 76 you saw it you know it would have been generally stay in New Castle and just had a belly full of kids and that wasn t for me Mum you know she wanted more so this tutor had pushed her to call and she went to the and if you and I mean David Turner said to me it like when when I met I want to start doing a project he said like they didn t look at portfolios they weren t interested in portfolios what he wanted to know was what interested the photographer so he said to her like what you interest. Didn t And she said something like hi want to want to take pictures of policeman kits and he said you re it because he said it was the shortest and you would have a daughter as he knew straight away that she had a passion Yeah and she had a purpose and he knew she was going to be like a social photographer and. You know she she got her place and that that mean the craziest thing for me is she turned up there in Newport. And she had no right to stay she just turned up with a camera and like. Some clothes in a bag and she chewed didn t even have any when to stand and it s like she was just saw determined to get there because I think it was just you know someone from her background it was. An opportunity to yes oh yes she was just sort of tone into that yes she just went out and photographing the prime minister did you see James Cullen Yeah yeah he says is that what it was cause I got him to repeat every note I just put. Up with scissors again and so then I found out he would do you know who he was like oh yeah you know those I mean was he there for like you believe he was not yet that was one of those coffee while books there that is a yeah I mean she wasn t she wasn t into royalty you know. What is this documenting of yabbies I was here she well the cost themselves they all got together and they did a project with that you believe you all were going to do a different aspect of it yes so David Hearn said if they could all get the photographs he would get it too right years or so I would get it published Ok but they had to have at least 2 pictures of the Queen and something else and it had to be in by midnight and obviously they had to then put the pictures in the Doll Yeah that s me thing yeah so they all work together so she stayed and you Paul did strict like this street party that they had but they did they all got together and like I mean somebody went got the Queen and it was brilliant and the whole call that s what my mom loved about it the practicality of how we taught them how to be photographers generally like you have to do the work themselves you know and they pulled it off yeah. I really want to talk about about your mom s pictures of the northeast or so effectively now that you thought employment series is so evocative and so touching as well and indeed about the juvenile just for. Jack I m going to play this now play the track on the program last night by band called Eilert It s called Good grief which just made me think of Charlie Brown used to say Good grief all the time you know I should play some lovely Christmas music composed by Vince Guaraldi who did all of the music for the. Cartoons I was a user incredibly accomplished jazz musician but there is the other Charlie Brown Christmas it s called is Christmas special he composed the full Christmas he just soundtrack for that so I m going to play this. Burn all. That would go about as the trio Oton and Christmas tree from music to a Charlie Brown Christmas thank you to Richie from long those days to. Beat a bit of in sky. I ll just go in from work he says did jolts the Rosedale small himself. Own it it was all right. With all the well Paula Abdul a woman up salute. Thank you Richard. Thank you to Mikey boy. Just seen Tish Murtha s picture of the 2 kids who says that could have been me and me mate Glenn before the green paint incident on the beach strict. Pictures last night was the last night you know I think it was. Him and his mate found a tin of green paint in the back alley thought that s it incredible hold on the shocked over themselves it took weeks to come off properly. Here in the studio talking about about the photography. For. So it came about from Newport in the late 1970 s. Th back from you yeah and then seem to really throw our self into taking photographs of of the northeast of Newcastle of South Shields and off like friends and family and neighbors Yeah that was what was in that s what interested her you know she came back and. The the Elsa kids book that s the 1st photograph that she was taken she was very very interested in sort of like the young generation she was really good with kids and I mean a lot of the kids in the 4th tours who have brothers you know their friends and neighbors and everybody trusted and yeah so you know and I think they quite like the idea that she had a camera because back in them days not many people days well that s the curious thing is now I think the photos felt very special in the pretty digitally or I think because nobody particularly took them I was so in the 1st 18 years of my life there are probably fewer than a 100 photos of me which is just unthinkable these days well you have the camera phones probably most people take a 100 day. Yes Do they keep. The fact that your mom s photo was like were physical photos does that give them an extra special significance do you think because she was not a fan of digital photography or you know she wouldn t do digital Yeah. I don t know I think it s just a different different world like you say probably with you like you would get taken on special occasion and was not people just snap snap snap but would you ever look at them in where is the whole the whole thing with the mom she loved the whole process of developing. She loves being in the darkroom Yeah and you know like she just loved the whole process we were looking through some of the pictures that she took in the late seventy s early eighty s and you know because you ve got these books that are just beautiful collections of enormous photos you re looking through and saying that s me Uncle Yeah so it s as though it s one of the kids jumping out of a window yeah they re piled up although the mattresses on the ground below and they re jumping out of a window where was that that Celtic That is yeah yeah the back lane and that s 3 of my uncles in the fall with a ventriloquist s dummy that is quite frankly terrifying Yeah it s just one of the family yeah. Did she realize I mean I know you said the interest was in documentary Yes we re talking so she wanted to use photography as a means of light highlighting the issues that people in that part of the northeast were facing Yeah. Did she realize it would become a time capsule as well do you think because when you look at these photos now they are so evocative of that particular era did she have in mind that she was capturing that era well as she spoke she must have a machine when you document something of what you do in a document you capture and it forever but I mean at the time she was just so awful coast especially the youth unemployment that that series that exhibition that s that s probably like her more like well known one and she was she saw. She was very much call paramount because she herself she I mean she was employed at the site while herself on the schemes that she hit she was on one of them on power Oh yeah she was on our school I started you can t you get you know yeah yeah like I mean if I go exactly and that s what she saw scare them off in that I think these kids that temporarily taken off the figures Yes You know I ll put on to one of these schemes and then just you know check back out at the end to nothing and yesterday really you could only work for a year yeah and then that was it in the back to where you know the. So she was very much for Christe on trying to make all the people see the reality of these kids lives and how she felt that the whole issue of youth unemployment these kids will leave in the school gates for the last time yeah to walk to nothing you know she she described as the squadron of a whole generation of human potential and you know she managed to I mean her local m.p. Rist it her for tours and her essay he brought it up in parliament in February night and he won so she got her mass moving which is what she wanted to do with photography she got them to look at the the situation because I mean the area where she lived it was more than double the the riff on employment the rest of the city you know it really was a big and it was a new problem youth unemployment you know because of what she was saying was the young people were sort of alienated because their parents didn t understand general and the young people would be an alienated and she just felt very strongly about it saw. I don t think she was sort of thinking about time capsule I think she was just trying to shore the reality of that it was very much about the now and like we need to do something about this now very much so and you know it was enraged time you know no completely but I get the legacy of yeah I do now have this extraordinary glimpse into a completely but you know a bygone era. Even streets that don t exist anymore and I mean he can see in some of the pictures the kids are playing in rubble the shells of houses that are in the process of being named I don t you know so many kids and stuff like people will contact me and say I grew up in Glasgow and have a pool aware of yeah and they all say that that could be men and their friends and but yeah they played in the building. Sites and you know. Thank you Jason he s just mean to Tish s website it s a great homage to the past and to doubt it was I put some pictures on Facebook to plug the program has been looking out there and says there is. One of the pictures there is a girl in the background intently twirling about on so there was clearly a juvenile just banned in the area now this was a big thing wasn t it was photo Why did her interested juvenile just come from well she didn t have an interest in them she hit them. Off because she was commissioned to do a project Ok so what happened was I mean there was there were a big I don t remember them I mean I was born in one night fall and I mean I was born in London but I moved back to new asshole but I don t remember just must have died out by then yeah but apparently like they were massive thing they were and she didn t like the way that she felt they were militarist and she felt they were harmful to the kids right and she gentle she said they didn t actually teach them any music they just taught. To walk in straight lines yeah it was this I go yeah yeah because they re here and she said you know the kids have to put aside their normal child like things that you know and just walk in a straight line but then what she saw was that a lot of the kids who didn t have enough money they couldn t afford the uniforms and afford to be in the property. They in the back streets would form their own and so they would have to have like an old sheet for the piano that Romney Hamlet s for the symbol Ok it s got like an old like broom handle just almost like a fringe just about what it was because the cold stone cold right well like this this one of one of my favorite pictures is of the Noble Street flat as a bunch of girls and they ve made their old band called the air it was called criticize park and they ve called that band The criticise park Highlanders and they ve got the band there and they re all like this and Shakespeare s Globe just use that for all this as the post of Henry the 5th right so it s like she said she wouldn t believe that yeah yeah like you are saying about the Time Capsule Yeah but you know it s its name is an image particularly northeastern thing the juvenile just part and I think you know I think it was around mining villages was was a I think so Durham and I have mentioned this on the radio before a lot of people from around the country have no idea what I was talking about here I think like though the great kind of. Film immortalized is the big Get Carter Oh yes we just actually ne and Phil cost us a juvenile just Bob marching past in our I don t think the I existed in other parts of the country a country rock I think I think it might be carried to term and yeah and the mining scene side that was the most Yeah I think so it s just the address tonight Yeah definitely yeah but she sort of she went with the official bands and she s to go to all of the proper competitions Yeah. She focused a lot of her attention on the reject I guess the marginalized and the bands the actual the cars they had proper committees and everything they were furious and they would like the lot of local press after all these press corps was calling the demon snapper and how did she react to all of Egypt back a day or survive yes a lot these days is a bit of a provocateur she says you know like if she didn t cause some kind of controversy shall smash up a camera she called a meeting in the Had a meeting and she invited people down because she said she had to write she d grown up around these bands and she had as much right as anybody else to general talk about Yemen store and that that was her opinion anyway she felt that it crushed out normal child like ability but what she liked about the toy bombs was the way that they use their imagination Yes you know and as more than the yeah I m squished out there so I was a mongoose Yeah yes I will do ourselves exactly as you know you don t want us well you re fine we ll do what I was selling mentality of the community Yeah so was she working in London when you were born is that you were doing brought up she wondered to after after youth unemployment so that exhibition was 1981 yeah she moved to London and she had a big exhibition the group exhibition at the photographer s gallery and it was called and by night it was all Saul hall and it was all to do with prostitution and she had teamed up with her friend who was a stripper and covering the strip and she did the text. Of the 4 tours and they were together in the same way that she took all of the fault or she you know she got to know all the people here and she gained the trust you know there was nothing voyeuristic about it you know she became friends with these people and that let her into their life but there are stories of where she s had to throw the camera from the doorway to a friend who. Because the bouncers are trying to get the camera right and he s had to run off with the comment you know to save the pictures yeah but yeah so she had this you know how you choose at the peak of a career in law and she had this big exhibition and then she became radio Ok she thought she was dying and she was about 6 and a half still and the doctor had said all tried drinking a pint of Guinness every night so she was drinking a pint of Guinness every night and she wasn t feeling any better and it was me all right she was she was about performance but they didn t realize she didn t realize right you know she was she was sort of busy yeah. Doing this exhibition in store I mean it was really hard to call like this this is northwest she had said send an invite to my godmother and she put on the bottom prostitutes going while I was chased by a transvestite with an axe last night but I m going back on Thursday because I need the money and it just wasn t fazed by anything yeah that s not me she had a camera and some facts. She just wasn t at all the way that she was she was on real tonight she was very she was very special more was it like for you growing up amongst this that because if there is a lovely story I think that you put on the website that is like you and you went out walking one day and it s the closest yeah off guard by every sniffer Yeah yeah it was so creepy. Stuff as I mean all think it s probably a I think it s I think it started out well I just yeah it was just fun so I don t think it was a peculiarly don t know. I don t seem to have to feel like they used to be urban myths would surround glue sniffers you know you d be told as a kid God out of those wards because there s gluey he s dead. But you can t you can t follow Yeah just like I was really quite. Set it was following No I mean as usual she just she was always very calm Yeah specially when she was working she was very calm and she was like you know it s fine and I hope not and she said right we ll stop my spend and hopefully like your goal so we sat on the bench in the was a bench next to us so we sat on that one and there was an old man bike I think it was an alcoholic I think he had like you know the thing going to school it s a little bottle of whiskey to the glue sniffing sat next to him and he was being a bit strange so my mom she stood up and she took a photo of the 2 of them together and she she was sort of letting him know all that she knew him. On film and she said it will be fine now and we carried on to the town and he didn t follow soon then that night she took me into the dock room and she let me develop that picture and like I was to be in about no older than 5 Dale remember you know I still remember the power of the Commonwealth and the whole but it has a she knew if she took that for at all and he saw her and she knew that we were fighting and I think she always did just feel safe and when she had to like it was the last thing she always Paul before we left the house right to everyone and I had a little want to 12 which had no film in it and I would already know what it is exactly the kind of other stuff I write yes wonderful I will come back and we ll talk some more on the other side of. a prodigy to meet and to go. That s why I played it because I saw it on top of the Pops last week and forgotten all about that but it s brilliant you suspect she might have heard the occasional bit of Leonard Cohen in the teen years are. Definitely got down into Yorkshire right as well. Mine s there as well. Now you know we have the jets all the jets from the Jets with the Jets last I thought also that I have gathered I ve got faults I don t dance. Took pictures down in Whitby as well and all of the travel I do you know you try to rattle off the question and I guess she has to go to all of the official Yeah I think it s hardly pull up seen Holly pull in right yeah definitely but most of all traveled Yes there s no you jets were still going until the start of this decade Oh well into the 20 ten s God Light says juvenile just bombs definitely a fixture in the bar in the 1970 s. When I was growing up I like to trace the history of juvenile justice system golf. History. You would see them in Co and coaches Yeah you are going to be much and they will be like a courtroom Yeah given our just been with quick out of that well like you say it was like the kind of mining Brust bombs that were going on the court hearing competitions say similar things existed for juvenile just nuns I guess yeah we are talking about the photography of. On the program tonight and tissues daughter Ella is life here in the studio with us and we talked a lot about To she is photography What was she like as a person. On real. It s hard for me to to put into words you know she was she was so unique you know she was the worst thing to her would have been to be normal like because I used to say how can you just be normal you never want to be no. You know like she was which is not what you want to hear as a kid so I know that you know I was like you know everybody else is just like yeah normal I think you know I think you know she was she was very spiritual you know she said Terrell. Yeah. Yeah she was just grit and like I remember the Since thing to me like. There s no such thing as time because it s just a month invention just constrain us all of something and then like when I got older and stuff she was when I was a teenager she was really strict. I d been given a lot of sort of independence when I was little know and as I got older she was very very strict and stuff and I remember her sit me down since you know all men want to do is empty the ball Sonja and may be an absolutely horrified and like all my goat so she got very very strict with me and I remember comin in there and having a go and I was like well actually mother. You know I cannot be late because there is no such thing as tax because it s just a mom was just so you know not that you know so she created a monster yeah you re right it s a vivid imagery that. Apologies to listeners of a sensitive just sorry. So we talked a lot of Usually about. Photography open Newcastle in South Shields but she did take pictures until you saw it as it. Was she working on a project in middle haven she was it was when it was the middle Haven regeneration project so when Ramallah and yet I was young there and where. She lived down the away the General Hospital used to be and that s where I lived Yeah well for the end and all the friends like I think it was a bit further up that the how it was aggression Walton Yeah they were you know they knew the all had things in the window and you know like Hands off our whole Yeah yeah because they were trying to do the competent per Yes and stuff and so she she wanted the thing with the middle of project. She had been out with the game for quite a while she always took 4 tours but she hadn t done like a major project for quite a long time and she had all the sort of hole that when I left all that she would be able to get back into and generate an interest in her work as a documentary photographer saw what she wanted to do was do like a big project. The area before it disappeared she want to do a celebration you know middles because she felt it was being portrayed really unfair Oh yeah you know like you know with as ball as you know and she thought it was a lovely area where you know a lot of different nationalities all live together you know and relative harmony and it should be celebrated Yeah and you know she said whatever happens to the community of central middle spread you know these falls will stand as a rec hold and a celebration and. She applied for Arts Council funded in the turndown so it didn t end up being as big as self funded and stuff you know that this there s a lot in there that I need to go through I haven t really gone through it properly yet but you know it was typical what she wanted to do you know she wanted to document Yasna lies community yes you know and sure that you know their lives are of value completely well. I don t know how much stuff of you actually got you so you want to go through all of this stuff are there because there I hope photography was physical Yes Have you got boxes and boxes of clothes or grasses of photographs and negatives and actually it s and the Middlesbrough ones. She got them printed saying you and j.c. Call up your parliament roll yeah I saw them they were actually lept Yeah I saw it before he went bust and she was cutting them in boots and then she went really high tech and get them on C.D. s right so that will be easier for me when I know you know when I come to the yeah but at the minute I m still sort of focused on the jazz bands which will be the next book I was going to say was what ambitions of you got for. Well future books future exhibitions there s quite a lot in the pipeline isn t there well there I mean there s this clear exhibitions out at the minute and there s one next year in Strasburg which I was quite excited yes. I have been working towards the jazz bands book we were we were almost there but the publisher you need to have an operation in January Ok so we put a pin in that hopefully at some point next year and I ve been saving up to get. The else agree visited so which is from when the glue sniffing was around that sort of 197-1901 we had returned from London which returned to New Castle and she was doing a project on someone who had been brought up in the area had moved away and then had returned and right what had happened because in that decade there was a big change in the area and still so there s a project that I which I would really like to so I m going to be doing that in the new I m going to get them scanned and maybe look for a new publisher and I m working with a couple of friends to watch the screenplay of my mom s life thanks it s incredibly exciting yeah it is really it s how far down the line are you with her it s very early days as a moment I ve been working with a friend Rebecca and we ve been working towards a treatment and I have another friend Lindsey Skinner who is an amazing writer from the northeast and she just won this year she wouldn t this a chaplain award for working class writers for her debut novel small flick and she s just signed with an agent this week and Rhino flick is going to be published next year and when I read anything that Lindsay has written it could be me mom talk and she s she s the perfect person to capture the essence of to which is Juno like the 4 toys a brilliant. But my mom was also brilliant Yeah and I want people to know just how I m Isn t she was yes you know it s fingers crossed we can get it off the ground it s you know it s going to be a long slog and stuff but I think it could be brilliant and I think I was right in saying I have all really got I mean it s been she died in 2013 so it s been or is that 6 years now how long did it take you to be able to go through photographs in this kind of detail because it s obviously become a huge passion and you know it kind of Our Lives mission for yeah it s to start off with I was already looking at them because after I mean after she died I had to go and clear all the flak to have to clear a thing on your worldly belongings and everything and so initially because every time she moved or she moved a lot yeah it was a watchmaker tips kind of negative thoughts you know like we didn t sort of understand just how special ease things when you re old battered boxes and stuff and so initially I was just taken with the family fought all of that I think when you ve had today and you do get very sort of emotional you re nostalgic So I was just looking at the family photos and stuff because I mean out a lot of the actual youth unemployment does have a family I mean one isn t it you know my uncles my aunties Corson s and stuff but that s what I was focused on it wasn t until a few years later after sort of. A couple of years that I don t even remember from the shark actually think and you know all these photos are brilliant people should see them so I started sharing them on Instagram and that s when you know we sort of took our common people kept saying is there a book is there a book and when I said no they were like well why isn t there a. Question of a made one in there you should make why should one. Just so I did yeah so the couple of books. So you go youth unemployment book is out there now and the Ellsworth kids as well is out there hopefully juvenile jazz bands at some point a month Collins What I m trying to yeah absolutely in the meantime the website is there isn t a day for want to go and find it s not just to the dot co dot Yeah this mythical u.k. Fantastic are you doing an incredible job thank you keeping her work alive they are just extraordinary for. Sure she d be extremely proud of you for it so I was sure if you were to me thank you so much for coming in tonight I haven t heard of that language. Darren has been so it s so there s legal precedent it s not swearing yeah I ll go where they evolve that you found me I. Really had to beat you out of I don t you thank you for having me pleasure here b.b.c. Right it is. Robert Nichols over there we got a deputation from sound it out record in the building as well he s giving me a very strong. She didn t smell of water Yeah it seems like a decent idea doesn t it here is our resident psychogeography and folklorist Gavin Perry. Is back with the smell of water he s been looking at fossils on the phone a lot of fossils this week. The smell of water. Thank you very much to Gavin Perry for the smell of water thank you. And date that particular truck that Vic mosse is on he s called the time and. Again from the scarred for life charity album electronica we sent to Kev and house composite right. Original music by artists involved in the kind of electronica. All inspired by their memories of 970 s. T.v. Yes the time bad was the original title for which television program. There are no prizes but if anybody wants to have a go Feel free. Tom but you also mean that you say the Tomorrow People here No no it s not but you know a 1000000 miles away. Yes scarred for life the album is out now it is a complete shouty album it comes to research u.k. Immigrant bright b.b.c. Bob Fisher Robert Nichols is very low Yeah absolutely tons of stuff about juvenile justice. Only the people doing the people who have been in one not yet not yet. I ll do some of these defective Gees.