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Secretary of state meets Boris Johnson and congratulates him on banning the chinese take firm hallway from its 56 networks. Banning the chinese take firm hallway from its 5g networks. think the uk made a good decision, but i think that decision was made not because the United States senate bill macro said it was a good decision, but because leadership in the uk made that decision for the people of the uk. And all 27 members of the European Union agreed to an historic rescue deal to tackle the effects of the coronavirus crisis. Hello, and welcome. Lets start with, after months of delay, that report into the alleged russian interference into uk politics has finally been published, and it says that moscow poses an immediate and urgent threat to National Security and has accused the uk government of not doing enough to stop it. British parliaments intelligence not doing enough to stop it. British pa rliaments intelligence and Security Committee report says that. And it accuses successive British Governments of welcoming russian oligarchs and their money with open arms. Heres what the committee said. The uk government have actively avoided looking for evidence that russia interfered. We we re evidence that russia interfered. We were told they had not seen any evidence, but that is meaningless if they havent looked for it. The uk government took its eye off the ball because of its focus on counterterrorism. The government had badly underestimated the response required to the russian threat and is still playing catch up. To which this is the uk governments response. We categorically reject that. And we offer a second placement on the threat russia poses. Next, lets hear from mark lyall grant, the uks National Security adviser between 20 201517. The suggestion in the report that somehow the government at the time had taken its eye off the russian ball and didnt see russia as the threat that it is is com pletely russia as the threat that it is is completely wrong. Russia was front and centre of the National Security review in 2015. What is truth is that i think the government was more focused on the hard edged, direct hostile activity by russia. Whether that was threatening nato, annexing crimea, the assassination of alexander live in enko and others in europe, hacking governments and businesses, then perhaps it was around the softer misinformation campaigns. And appelbaum is a Pulitzer Prize winning historian with a focus on russia, and heres what she told the bbc. First of all, im glad that its appeared. It was meant to appear many months ago, and the very fact of its delay is a part of the problem, which is that a part of the problem, which is that a part of the problem, which is that a part of the british Political Class is still seeing this as some kind of partisan issue. We know that discussion of russian influence will be bad for one side or another. And thatis be bad for one side or another. And that is a great mistake because russian influence, we know about that influence of other countries, it will also come into the future, benefiting one side or another. And understanding the mechanisms pinpointing them and figuring out what are the institutions we will use to fight both foreign misinformation and the use of foreign money in british politics. I think thats really important. Next, lets get reaction of bill browder, a vocal critic of Vladimir Putin and and and to correct the corruption campaigner. Ive seen so many reports were Parliament Banks the table, government makes various supportive noises, and nothing happens. So many people benefit from russian money that nobody wants to rock the boat. And because they dont want to rock the boat, nobody is asking the questions. And most profoundly, and this was stated in the report, constitutions arent being done. The Law Enforcement agencies are doing theirjobs, theyre not creating any disincentive for this kind of maligned influence to be happening. And without a disincentive, it will happen again. Russia has been swift to dismiss the claims. The kremlin issued a statement, saying. That speak to the bbcs Russian Service joining us live now. Russia is saying that this is rousseau phobia, com pletely saying that this is rousseau phobia, completely denying this . Absolutely, russian state media is laughing at the report, and it helps them to broadcast their usual message, broadcasting that russia is accused for everything without any evidence, russia is surrounded by enemies, and it helps a putin to gain his points internally and keep what hes doing externally, being as tough and, in a way sometimes reckless as some western states say he is. So the trouble is that when there is a lack of evidence, that amounts to a game of evidence, that amounts to a game of words, and the kremlin knows this play by heart, how to answer tough words with tough words. Now the report describes russia as an accomplished adversary. Has that been picked up in the Russian Media and on social media . Not much. They mainly Pay Attention to the fact that, you know, it is one of the many accusations done by british officials and american officials in the recent times. And when flags is details, because whether there is some tales or evidence, it is harder to a nswer some tales or evidence, it is harder to answer those claims. And what they do now is just point to the uk in reference to the interview of the Russian Ambassador who spoke to bbc earlier this weekend, saying there we re earlier this weekend, saying there were some hacker attacks on russian electric systems during the referendum on the 1st ofjuly. And they provided no evidence as well because i think they are not obliged to. Now the Committee Really focused in on the number of oligarchs in london, and the fact that they described it as london being a laundromat for money when it comes to laundering money. Explain to us his fascination with the roots russians when it comes to the uk, and in particular london rich russians. For them london is a safe haven. It is stable, and secondly judicial system has worked here perfectly. In russia, there is a saying that never say never to being poor or getting into jail. You cant say that in the uk, that is why they love london because they actually came here. To play their own deals to find out who is guilty and who is not. Because they know that the law here works, and those with a lack in russia. That is why london is a safe haven for them. Olga, a fascinating insight as always. Thank you so much. Lots and lots of reaction online, as well, so check that out for more details. But now lets turn to the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, whos been beating with the british Prime Minister borisjohnson and his british counterpart, the foreign secretary dominic raab during a trip to london. There was an awful lot on the agenda, including the coronavirus pandemic, as well as a potential us uk trade agreement. At one country was clearly front and centre and that china. We talked about how weve seen hong kongs freedoms crust, we watched the ccp bully its neighbours and inns to greet and instigate a conflict with india. I want to take this opportunity to congratulate the British Government for its principled responses to these challenges, including the response will the decision to ban hallway from its 5g networks. Huawei. You generously open your doors to hong kong citizens who are fleeing for freedom. Yesterday you suspended your extradition treaty and extended your extradition treaty and extended your arms embargo on china to hong kong itself. We support those choices and think well done. Tensions between the us, uk and china have come to head over the weeks over a range of issues. Ageings decision to issue a National Security law in hong kong which was met with. In the countrys 5g network, following a series of us sanctions against the chinese tech giant. Then both countries have accused china of gross human rights abuses in detaining 1 million muslims in the ocean jane prominence. Us detaining 1 million muslims in the oceanjane prominence. Us is also had a tense relationship with china on trade and has serious concerns about its expansion into the south china sea. Mr pompeo made it very clear today with the us expense from the uk and also from other nations when it comes to dealing with china expects. When it comes to dealing with china expects. We want every nation to Work Together to push back against the ccps efforts in every dimension that i described today, including the United Kingdom and every country. We hope we can build a coalition that understands we need to convince the ccp is not in their best interest to behave in this kind of behaviour. A coalition that the dominic raab says uk should be a pa rt dominic raab says uk should be a part of. The uk is really clear that we need to work with our american friends, as well as other partners together in the International System together in the International System to protect our freedoms and interests, and stand up for our values. We will have more impact when we were together. Heres our Political Correspondent rob watson on why the uk seems to be so keen to shore up its relationship with the us. Its another feature of life, if you like, in post brexit britain, which is on the one side, the domestic divisions, but also the other is the necessary pivot away from brussels to get closer and closer to washington. Because after all, the uk doesnt want to be alone ina all, the uk doesnt want to be alone in a world where it sees threats from russia and from china. Now while mr pompeo praised the uk for siding with the us, beijing has once again slammed the uk for meddling in chinas business and hong kong affairs. Translation china urges the uk to wa ke translation china urges the uk to wake up from its colonial dream, immediately correct its mistakes, and stop interfering in hong kong and stop interfering in hong kong and chinas internal affairs so as to avoid further damage to bilateral relations. According to the director of the China Institute in shanghai, the problem is not with beijing, but actually with the current us administration. Its mainly due to the United States. We have the government under donald trump, which is, to be frank, not very mature. And with secretary of state pompeo, very ideological. He sees everything as black and white, anti communist and democracy, whatever. The world is much more sophisticated. When china keeps a low profile, they say china keeps a low profile, they say china needs to take more responsibility. When china takes more spots ability, they become more aggressive. Thats the perspective ofa aggressive. Thats the perspective of a approaching the microprobe ageing supporter. The washington correspondent from the washington Chinese Servicejoins us correspondent from the washington Chinese Service joins us live now. Does china see itself as being disproportionately targeted, or does it understand why the uk and the us are taking these measures against it . Its a little bit of both. China certainly sees itself as being u nfa i rly certainly sees itself as being unfairly targeted and even believed. The uk and the us are bashing china in its view because theyre so powerful economically, and technologically, as well, that the west now feels threatened, so its trying to bring china down. Huawei isa trying to bring china down. Huawei is a potent example here, the leader of the 5g industry. Its presence sparks National Security concerns in the west. But even Chinese Companies which are engaged in more fun and Light Industry are under orders right now. For example, social Media Company tick tock back is under scrutiny. The way that these companies have been shifted in the way till micro west right now, it is guilty until proven innocent. They are unfairly targeted only because of china. Given that xi jinping is now the leaderfor of china. Given that xi jinping is now the leader for life and youve touched upon chinas dominance and economic power, doesnt really about western nations think was mike or will it continue to go down the route that its taking . Beijing certainly acts like they dont care. You see chinese diplomats being more and more assertive, and the government also threatens retaliation with regard to policy they see as unfavorable of china. Potentially International Pressure can have an enormous impact on the country, despite its huge domestic market, chinas economy is still heavily reliant on international trade. And the bottom line is that we are living in a world that is very interconnected, but we are seeing these numerous signs of decoupling in politics, and also technology between china and the rest of the world. When talking about china, dont forget we are talking about one fifth of humanity. So the future of technology decoupling, everyone will feel the impact. Thats a very good point. Thanks so much for your time and expertise. As the uk and the us continue to condemn chinas new security law and hong kong, the situation continues to be difficult for those living there. On tuesday, dozens for those living there. On tuesday, d oze ns of for those living there. On tuesday, dozens of protesters gathered to mark the one Year Anniversary of a key moment from the 2019 protests. 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