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as evidence but we did take what they had done or their tactics into account because of that. that is exactly what you are supposed to do. >> that is right. >> virtually everything they said is spot on. they followed it. highly -- highly intelligent jury and i'm incredibly impressed, even as a defense lawyer. >> and i said this after the interview and because i didn't want them to think i was buttering up and a, it is rare they stick together like this and also their conscientiousness really impressed me. and i threw them some questions they could have said their body language in court, his swagger, they could have said no you don't want to pay attention to body language in court, it had nothing to do -- >> which is exactly -- >> right. >> it is a defense lawyer's worst nightmare. you watch this to hope you have an appellate issue to pop up

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