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impeerically, it has to be true. political science, they have something they look at called tolerances, the space between the extreme and the middle. the gop, the silent majority that has been re-introduced by donald trump is probably misidentified by him as his group. it's probably the main part of the party that we haven't really heard from. do you think some of that is being reflected in this latest poll, these more traditional gop voters who are looking for some people with experience to pop and they saw that with rubio and to a lesser extent with cruz? >> i think they saw stronger debate performances by rubio and cruz who are also newer faces, yes, they're senators but freshman senators. they can more than a jeb bush or more than a long-term politician, more than maybe even another governor say they're, quote, unquote, new to the system. as cruz and rubio rise up, they'll get more scrutiny.

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