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Boxes and whether searchers have been looking in the wrong place for weeks and weeks. The ocean shield is closing in on that same area, even as we speak. Our experts are standing by. Theyre looking at all the new information coming into the situation room. Lets get the very latest from aviation correspondent rene marsh. What are you learning . Today, wolf, a u. S. Navy source telling me reanalysis of Critical Data is happening right hi here in the united states. A couple u. S. Ajeansys and consultants are taking a fresh look at the pinger data. We know crews have centered their search around the four pings believe ed to be from the black boxes. Cnn learned in three to four weeks these u. S. Agencies and consultants are expected to say whether they believe those sounds were from the black boxes or Something Else. Bluefin21 is about to return to the water on its 19th dive. Im still hopeful that well find something in that area. Reporter the underwater drone is going back to the area where four electronic signals were detected more than a month ago. But theres growing concern some or all of those electronic pings did not come from flight 370s black boxes. The captain of the ocean shield tells the wall street journal that searchers increasingly doubt that the third and fourth pings came from a manmade device. Those transmissions were picked up on april 8th and according to the wall street journal report had a frequency of around 27 kiloher kilohertz, a lower level than the first two pings detected on april 5th which had a frequency of about 33 kilohertz. Flight data recorders emit signals at a frequency of 37. 5. Its interesting to me, though, that this hasnt been mentioned before. Nobody said anything about this before. They had even told us before that they were searching within the area or plan to within the area of all four pings. Reporter u. S. Navy sources tell cnn theyve always had greater confidence in the first two pings. Including one that lasted 2 hours and 20 minutes. The bluefin21 is expected to focus on the area of the first ping when it returns to the water. After scouring the vicinity of the second ping, and coming up with nothing, giving more fuel to skeptics. If their technology works, if this technology scanning the ocean floor works, you think they would have found something by that. The search coordinator tells cnn he Still Believes his crews are looking in the same place based on the pings and other data. One of the transmissions was analyzed side by side with an emergency locator beacon and the characteristics, the pulsing, was almost identical. So what we picked up from the ocean was something that was assessed as being very similar to an emergency locator beacon. Well, the u. S. Navy source says even though they have doubts about the third and fourth pings where the planes black boxes they say that they will continue to go and search that area because of an absence of other data. So they are really going to hunt that down, search that area though there are those doubt. Rene, stand by with us. I want to bring in aviation analyst peter fwrgoelz and Law Enforcement analyst tom fuentes. Is it possible all four of the pings really arent connected to the socalled black box and were just misidentified from the very start . Sure. Its possible. But the ntsb still has high confidence in the area and in the first two pings, but, you know, they have got to search for it. Im not disappointed they havent found it on the first go. I mean, it is really hard at that depth. They need to do a more intensive search. Theyre bringing other u. S. Agencies, not exactly sure which ones, into this whole investigation right now. At least its encouraging to get fresh eyes. Its encouraging, wolf, but they also need to look at whether they have the right equipment. Even if you say the area of the first two pings is a much better place to be looking, they didnt look there initially because the bluefin is limited in going that deep. So it also raises the question as the ocean shield makes its way back to where they were with the bluefin, instead of with an orion or some other capability that goes deeper in the ocean, it could still come up negative. The pings were supposed two 37. 5 kilohertz. One set was 29 . 27. 27. The other was 33. Thats not 37. 5. I thought that was the specific number they needed. Right. Wroun, when they first picked up those two initial pings on april 5th, and they said that it wasnt quite the 37. 5, it was closer to 33, a lot of people said, well, that could be because of the dying battery, it could also be because of how deep the water was. So, that was the margin of error that they gave and they kind of shrugged that off a bit, but when were hearing 37 kilohertz for the second set of pings that theyre not too confident about, now thats a bit, a ways away from 37. 5. As we heard david susey just say, why are we just hearing about this now . Thats been a problem from the beginning and that leads to articles like that was in the atlantic. Without putting the raw data out, without being more open and transparent, theres going to be challenges at each and every decision that the search team makes. Yeah, that article in the atlantic suggested that maybe the inmarsat satellite pings, those handshakes were wrong, too. That theyre looking in the wrong place in general. Right. It takes us back to the very beginning of the whole case. Back on march 8th and shortly after where the credibility of the malaysian government was constantly being questioned because of changing data. Now were actually seeing that from the search team and we hadnt seen that before to this degree. Like david susey mentioned, this information should have been out a long time ago. It looks like a lot of folks are losing total confidence in what those guys out there i know theyre doing their best, working as hard as they can. A lot of folks are losing confidence. Rene, my heart goes out to the family members who are still stuck in that limbo. They found no wreckage of the plane. On the other hand, they dont know to what believe anymore. Right. Its fair to question the data. Weve made the comparison so many times, but, you know, when you look at air france 447, they had a lot of false leads, had a situation where they heard pings. At least they thought they were pings and when they went to check it out, it they werent pings from black boxes at all. Someone mislabeled a tape from a testing that happened days before. And they were listening to the testing tape. So these mistakes happen. Its perfectly fair to raise these doubts about the data. But you know, it is a tough position because theres no evidence. Without evidence, there will always be questions. Rene mash, thanks very much. Peter goelz, tom fuentes. Still ahead, Donald Sterlings exclusive interview with our own Anderson Cooper. Hes here in the situation room. There he is. Well speak to him live next. And a vote that is called a farce. Were getting new reaction. Stand by. train horn vo wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. Norfolk southern. One line, infinite possibilities. Golive gardensvorites asignature favorites, just 10 including creamy fettuccine alfredo, and our classic lasagna. Plus unlimited soup or salad and warm breadsticks. Signature favorites, just 10 all week long, at olive garden. I missed you, too. Ou. Hi buddy. Mom awesome dad i missed you. Oh. Daddy. Chevrolet and its dealers proudly support military appreciation month. 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Donald sterling told Anderson Cooper hell never do anything like this again. But consistent with his behavior in this case, there were some twists. I made a mistake. I hope its in their heart to forgive me for that mistake. Reporter Donald Sterling is apologizing, but in an exclusive interview with cnns Anderson Cooper, he insists hes not a racist and claims he was tricked. I dont know why the girl had me say those things. Youre saying you were set up . Well, yes, i was baited. I mean, its not the way i talk. I dont talk about people, for one thing, ever. I talk about ideas and other things, but i dont talk about people. Reporter we reached out to v. Stivian oos attorney. Stiviano seen here after being arrested for shop lifting ten years ago denied she leaked the recorded conversation to the media. Her lawyer says that arrest was later expunged from her record. Stiviano says she doesnt think sterling is racist. His estranged wife told abcs Barbara Walters the same thing. It was horrible when i heard it. It was just degrading and made me sick to hear it. Reporter Shelly Sterling hinted as a potential health issue. He saw the tape and he said, i dont remember saying that. I dont remember ever saying those things. What did you think then . Thats when i thought he has dement dementia. Reporter Donald Sterling hasnt said anything to this point about his personal health. We asked a neurologist what if sterling has a mild tomorrow of dementia . Could someone experiencing dim dim min sha say these things . That doesnt mean they dont have those beliefs. So if someone has held beliefs like that all his or her life, then a dementia might cause a disinhibition so he or she might be more likely to actually express those beliefs. What about severe dementia . Dr. Mark says with that its possible to have racist thoughts youve never had before but its improbable. He says for an illness to manufacture that kind of world view is very unlikely, wolf. Clearly doesnt have severe dementia. Not at this point. Thanks very much. Lets bring in cnns Anderson Cooper along with anchor don lemon and senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. Anderson, you spent quality time with this guy. Did he give you the impression that he had at least early stages of dementia . Look, i think in order to judge that sort of thing, you actually have to know a person for a long time, know what they were like ten years ago, to what they are now. I can certainly say i had no concerns about his state of mind doing this interview. This was somebody who i felt had dementia, i would not have done this interview, nor would we put it on television. Donald sterling is clearly an accomplished attorney. Knows his way around the courtroom. He came into the interview knowing what he wanted to say. And also being willing to answer just about any question that i put to him. You know, it was a contentious interview at times, emotional interview at times. We talked for well over an hour. He answered all the questions that i put to him. So hes certainly, you know, sees his situation. Hes aware of the situation hes in. Its a situation the likes of which he has never been in before. Hes certainly been in hot water before for things he said and been alleged to have done. He clearly believes theres a way for him forward in this situation. That he can somehow remain owner of the l. A. Clippers. But i got the impression, anderson, correct me if im wrong from the excerpts youve released that it looks like hes ready to accept this notion that theres not going to be a huge legal battle and maybe he should just walk away. I wouldnt jump i wouldnt say that. He says multiple things in this interview. I think what i think his strategy, my sense of it is that is hes waiting for the next shoe to drop which is the owners actually voting. He will not go on the record saying hes going to fight it in court. I think he doesnt want to do anything that impacts or sways the way the owners are going to vote. But clearly, hes aware of his, you know, the possible legal challenges that he could execute. Aware of, you know, a pending divorce with his wife which he acknowledges. Could very easily tie this up in divorce court. The team is held in a trust. He also, i think believes there may be some sort of a negotiation with the nba that might be possible. He believes and you will hear this tonight that the players still support him. He believes the players, the l. A. Clipper players, actually still love him and support him. Well, that sounds let me get don lemon to weigh in. That sounds delusional, don. It does sound delusional but i think anderson is right. We dont know, you know, were not doctors or psychologists. We dont know his medical history whether or not he has dement dementia. That certainly does sound delusional. He does not have to say hes going to fight legally. Shell where, erks lrks lrk shelly is doing that. Hes the good cop in all this. Hes trying to change his reputation and Public Opinion so he gives an interview where he says i dont know about these things, not racist, i dont remember saying that, she baited me. Listen, i dont know about anybody else on this panel, if somethings not in my heart and something im not aware of, no one can bait me into saying anything that is beyond what i think. If i dont have racist thoughts in my head, theres nobody that can bait me into saying racist things things. To me, it does not make sense. Jeffrey, i want you to weigh in but also, dick parsons, new ceo of the l. A. Clippers. He ran the atlanta hawks, nba basketball team. He said only Donald Sterling was a controlling owner. Theres only one controlling owner. That means if the nba bans him for life, all of the sterlings basically are gone. Yeah. In the past couple days the nba has made very clear that there is no shelly option as far as theyre concerned. All the sterlings have to go. They are now referring to the Ownership Group. Theyre saying the Ownership Group has to go which means Donald Sterling which is the owning of record but also the other shareholders. At least as far as the nba is concerned, they all have to go and frankly i think legally they will be on very solid ground in getting rid of a lot of them. Anderson, i know all of us are looking forward to the full interview later tonight. Give us a little preview because the clips that weve seen are so compelling. Give us a little bit more of what we can expect 8 00 p. M. Eastern . You know, he hints that this in up of the clips we released. Comments on Magic Johnson. I think people are going to be stunned by his full comments on Magic Johnson. Thats so shocking what he Magic Johnson is one of the most decent guys out there, has done enormous work for minorities and urban areas. Created a lot, a lot of jobs. Hes really given back to the community. What on earth would make Donald Sterling say he has really been bad for minorities . Sfwl not just his business acumen, its also the Michael Jordan foundation which for 20 years has given millions of dollars and raised millions and millions of dollars for hiv aids awareness, for education, for Community Activities and outreach. So, again, im going to leave it up to Donald Sterling to kind of try to characterize his beliefs on Magic Johnson, but, again, i thc think thats the thing tomorrow you will see everywhere and people will be talking about. Yeah, don, i think that theres nothing thats more outrageous than to try to belittle Magic Johnson like that. It is. Lets just say he does have those feelings about Magic Johnson. This is right. Does it mean hes correct about it . But if he does, hes in this particular situation, he shouldnt say anything. He just say i admire Magic Johnson, im sorry for what was said if i could take the words back, i would. He should not go on to then offend and say more bad things about Magic Johnson. It just does not make sense. For a smart man whos an attorney, he certainly said very stupid things. Stupid things, indeed. Thanks very much. Anderson, the full interview, the exclusive interview, 8 00 p. M. Eastern. Don lemon, well see you back here 10 00 p. M. Eastern. Sure youll have a lot of reaction to whats going on. Jeffrey toobin, thanks to you as well. Just ahead, breaking news coming into the situation room. A house in a quiet neighborhood just erupted in a fiery explosion. Look at these pictures. Well have details right after this. Life with Crohns Disease or Ulcerative Colitis is a daily game of what ifs. What if my abdominal pain and cramps end our night before it even starts . What if i eat the wrong thing . 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And this is happening as russian separatists declared independence in two eastern ukrainian towns after a hastily arranged referendum over the weekend. It had all the trappings of an election, polling stations, ballots in clear ballot boxes. And prorussian separatists immediately claimed an overwhelming victory. As much as 90 of voters in donetsk and neighboring luhansk voting to separate from ukraine. Cnn correspondents on the scene, however, reported seeing many people like this woman vote once, and then vote again. And officials in kiev were quick to dismiss the election as pure fiction. Translator that farce which the separatists call a referendum is nothing more than propaganda and an excuse for those crimes. Awful crimes such as murder, torture, and kidnappings. Reporter russian officials express some public support for the vote. Translator we respect the will of the residents of the donetsk and luhansk regions and practical implementation of the results of the vote will be carried out in a civilized way. Reporter moscow did not declare it would annex the provinces as president putin did shortly after crimea held a similar referendum in march. With crucial National Elections approaching may 25th, european officials intensified efforts to find a diplomatic solution. Backed up now by a modest new round of economic sanctions targeting a handful of russian officials and two small russian companies. Any attempt to disrupt those elections on may 25th in ukraine will be met by more severe sanctions. The imposition of more severe sanctions and thats something our European Partners support. We have new results today from a new cnn poll conducted inside ukraine, a telephone poll. 1,000 respondents. Interesting results. 2 3 of people approve of sanctions against russia in response to its intervention in ukraine. And 56 feel a stronger sense of loyalty to europe. Only 19 to russia. A very telling results there. You see these prorussian separatists in action, but when you look at the results of that poll there, it shows the majority of the people, that they dont feel that pull toward russia, that in fact they support the major positions of the government in kiev. Looks like that situation is by no means getting better, probably worse by the day. You still have the divisions. It may be a minority that supports separation. Its a vocal and as weve seen a violent minority as well. Certainly can be. Jim, thank you have much for that report. Very different, take a look at this. Sean puff daddy combs and me. We have something new in common. So happy to report that we both received honorary degrees from Howard University here in washington on saturday. Doctor of humane letters, ho honorous, congratulations. I was honored to be recognized by Howard University and the interim president , dr. 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Thanks very much for watching. Im wolf blitzer in the situation room. Now lets step into the crossfire with Newt Gingrich and van jones. Wolf, were looking ahead to Anderson Coopers exclusive interview with Donald Sterling. And were debating the liberals fantasy of a speechcontrolled america. Were also debating the issue some conservatives have when we keep living in a country where liberty and justice for some. The debate is going to start right now. Tonight on crossfire. A cnn exclusive. The public shame of Donald Sterling. Im not a racist. I made a terrible, terrible mistake. Should the nba still force him to sell the clippers . And, this historic kiss is drawing praise every outrage. On the left, van jones. On the right, Newt Gingrich. In the crossfire, Jamal Anderson, a former pro athlete, and Harry Jackson jr. , Senior Pastor of Hope Christian church. Are the Speech Police out of control . Or are bigots getting what they deserve . Tonight on crossfire. Welcome to crossfire. Im van jones on the left. Im Newt Gingrich on the right. In the crossfire tonight, guests with different views on free speech. In 90 minutes l. A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling speaks in an exclusive interview with cnns Anderson Cooper. Heres a preview. Im a good member who made a mistake and im apologizing and im asking for forgiveness. Am i entitled to one mistake after 35 years . I mean, i love my league. I love my part. Its a terrible mistake. And ill never do it again. The Vice President of the nba players association, roger mason, he said players wont accept anyone in the Sterling Family owning the clippers, not you, not your wife, not your soninlaw, not your daughter. Do you believe that . I really dont know. The people that are going to decide my fate, i think, are not the media and not the players union, but the nba. The owners. Pardon me . The owners. The owners. If the owners feel i deserve another chance, then theyll give it to me. But there is a path for you to fight their decision. Isnt there . Of course. But if you fight with my partners, what at the end of the road, what do i benefit . Especially at my age . If they fight with me and they spend millions and i spend millions, lets say i win or they win, i just dont know if thats important. Why wait so long to apologize . Its been a couple weeks. You could have come out thats a very good question. I just im so emotionally distraught, and the reason its hard for me, very hard for me is that im wrong. I caused the problem. I dont know how to correct it. Do you trust people . I mean i do. There have been a couple phone recordings in the last week or two of people youve talked to on the phone, seems to be your voice, who sold it to radar online or tmz. I hear that and think, do you have anyone you trust around you . I dont give interviews. The only one that i know that i talked to is Magic Johnson. You have talked to him. Twice. And then yeah. Did you apologize. He knew the girl he said. He knew the girl well. Did you apologize to him . Well, if i said anything wrong, im sorry. Hes a good person, and he what am i going to say . Has he done everything he can do to help minorities . I dont think so. But ill say it, ill say it, you know, hes great. But i just dont think he is a good example for the children of los angeles. You can see the entire interview at 8 00 eastern on cnns Anderson Cooper 360. You know, we used to be a free country. Now weve entered an era of public selfconfessions by people who have said or done unpopular things as said or done by the elite. If youre a christian, the elites say keep your mouth shut or well punish you. If youre against gay marriage the elites say keep your mouth shut or well pun issue. Were actually becoming a more repressive country. You know, i have to disagree with you on this one, newt. The people who get told to shut up, gays and lesbians still by the millions in the closet, afraid to speak up. You have women who have scared. We have people who can talk about this. In the crossfire former nfl star Jamal Anderson and bush some Harry Jackson jr. Of the Hope Christian church, founder and chairman of the high impact leadership coalition. I want to start with you. I just dont get this. Okay . All right. This is business. Youre a conservative. Uhhuh. You have always stood for the right of businesses and corporations to do what they want to. Th do. This is a free market. Whats wrong with the corporation saying they dont want to be associated this guy . Whats wrong with this . Im concerned about due process. If we were in the days of jim crow and happened to be black during that times you would have been in a world of hurt. So it depends on whos on top and who feels they have the upper hand. As newt implied, were at a juncture in history now where some people are on the out. And with, you know, michael sam, as he is embracing his partner, a guy tweets derrick ward and says, hey, oh my goodness, this is on tv and now theres repercussions about that. Where is the line is all im talking about . I want to get you in here because obviously youre the nfl guy. Go ahead. I want to first of all, you said the nfl. This is an nba nba. We got both of them in the mix. You have to distance yourself. Hopefully we dont have an owner who makes such salacious remarks. We dont want to dance away from that. Reprehensible. Heres the thing. Weve seen due process here. There was a time here, a week before adam silver made a decision to ban sterling for life. There was a process in a group of owners who decided, who agreed with Donald Sterling to ban him. The things that he said and things hes done, this is a guy who when he bought the clippers in 1981 signed an agreement. Signed a series of contracts and amendments that have since been updated each and every time that theres supposed to be certain amount of behavior. Youre not supposed to do anything detrimental to the nba. You think this isnt . They walked away from him. Other than fact you now live in a country where you have this pathetic statement by an 80yearold guy. Look at his body language. Its painful to watch this, okay . Were going through sort of a malice confession phase. Heres what im intrigued by. Black Business Association 2008 honored him as a great leader. 2009, the naacp in los angeles give him an award as a great leader. They were about to give an award this year. You have to question the motives. Go ahead. Theres a poster they pointed up for this 100th anniversary. Heres ha they said they were doing this for. He gave away, according to them, 2,000 to 3,000 tickets every game for poor children to be able to go to basketball. And they said this is a guy who has really reinvested in the neighborhoods. Now, everything he has said, thats gotten him in trouble, was off of a tape right. To a girlfriend. Theres no question. So we now live let me ask it this way. Out of all the Different Team owners in the country, because up until that girlfriend released that tape, he would not have been somebody who said we have to are you willing to say tonight we can be sure if we get rid of sterling that theres not another owner whos a hidden bigot who some morning is going to have a tape released or do Something Else . He did nothing public. It was all private. I dont think you can make those assurances. Heres the thing, newt. We. The way, the dubious way the tape was released. I mean, come on. It was foul how the whole process went up. Absolutely. The reality is if its an accident and something he didnt deny it, number one. Number two, adam silver when he announced his punishment couldnt tell the American People this guy has apologized at this point. Hes just now apologizing weeks later. The morality clause ownership sign your conduct cannot be detrimental to the nba. Hes reprehensible if i can throw this in. Nobody is defending this guy as it stands. Ive written books. Youve written books. Everybodys written a book. You got to say this kind of moral interpret tuesday clause like the phraseology. Somebodys going to determine whether your morality or conduct is correct. All i think newt and i are saying is theres a slippery slope. Guys, listen, to me this is bigger than this one guy. This is about more than one bigoted billionaire, dealing with intolerance from coast to coast. Over the weekend, as you mentioned the twitter verse exploded in reaction to this kiss. The nfl has already handed out punishments. First i want to ask you this question. Look at todays fireback quiz. 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We have jamal and bishop Harry Jackson jr. In the crossfire. Some conservatives say this is about living in a free country and need to preserve our freedom. Let me ask this question. What is free about gay employees who are unable to express themselves for fear of being fired . Look at tonights crossfire quiz, in 29 state, more than half the country, you can be fired, even if youre doing a great job, just for being gay. Now, bishop, how do you square that with your conservative commitment to freedom . Wheres the freedom in that map . Well, as an africanamerican, im not for anybody being truly discriminated against, but if you have a different code of lifestyle and you want to live a different way, you shouldnt be hindered. Theres a difference between you saying terrible, discriminatory things, firing people off of jobs. Doing the don sterling thing is really reprehensible in terms of his attitude. Let me just i really want do get your response to this. Okay. I hear people saying, you know, were losing our freedom. Newt said at the beginning were becoming a repressive country. The people who are the most passionate about saying that, i dont see them jumping up saying therefore lets not repress gays, lets not repress lesbians. Conservatives who are so pass n passionate about tweeting the word horrible. If theres an imp position, the chicfila thing comes to mind. The history of cnn has been good. Youve been able to hear the other side on other things. Often out there we dont have the freedom. Let me give you an example. Let me say in advance, i think michael sam is a brilliant marketeer. Well see how good a Football Player he is. If you look at his new visa commercial, already cut, already ready before saturday, this guy understands how to manipulate the media and maximize his impact. Take the case of derrick ward, retired super bowl champion. Hes now getting Death Threats because of the following tweet. He tweeted, im sorry, but that michael sam is no bueno for doing that on national tv. Im fine with it being a new day and age, but for him to do that on national tv is disgusting, gay or not. Man, you have little kids looking at the draft. I cant believe espn even allowed that to happen. Now, doesnt it worry you that he apparently is getting Death Threats for this tweet . Theres no question it worries me that hes getting Death Threats. When you tweet out about a gay athlete for the First Time Ever is being drafted into the nfl, that celebration is part of it. Nobody would have said anything if michael sam would have turned and kissed a beautiful young lady. Hes a gay american. This is, in fact, how he chose to celebrate. Yes, it surprised a lot of people and may have been the first time a lot of people have seen that, but this is about inclusiveness. Specifically, because i think you talk about how you want to be inclusive, except, of course, if somebody tweets this, having a death threat or lets send them off to sensitivity training. Thats repression. Thats not inclusive. Is it repressive to try to teach them to be understanding and open to other people, especially when you talk about people they have not been exposed to . Shouldnt you also be teaching people gay understanding of people thats a good point. I think people who are gay and lesbian have to spend their entire lives learning how to get around the minefields. This whole term out of the closet is a reflection of the fact they have to deal with those minefields. My question to you is simply this, is it your view a corporation does not have the right to pick and choose who it wants to associate with . They do, and part of the thing is, you know, when we talk about the kinds of speech that i think everybody finds offensive, i want to show this, these kinds of signs, like this, this is free speech, but i dont think any corporation in the world would want to be associated with that. Do you agree with that . I absolutely agree with you, but whats concerning to me is a slippery slope of who gets to decide who gets punished. Hold on a second ive had Death Threats, by the way. So have i. Can you tell me the Government Agency forcing the nba or nfl to do this . Isnt this about businesses understanding where the market is . It is, but in a strange way, this guy is going to make a bazillion dollars and get rewarded for his bigotry, so are we giving him or the society the sleeves out of our vest and making all this nonsense . Look, i think this whole thing is a fiasco, because you have a clever young guy whos manipulated the system brilliantly and now caught a visa ad. Watch the visa commercial. I understand, but i dont think you can say hes manipulated the situation. Understand the immense amount of bravery it takes, he came out and put himself in a draft, first player ever. Watch the commercial. Another key for michael sam, johnny manziel, 22nd pick, big time in the draft, obviously, everybody was talking about it. Right now currently of new players, the number two jersey seller is michael sam. Let me say, stay here, we want you at home to weigh in on todays fire back question, should fellow nba owners force Donald Sterling to sell his team . Tweet yes or no usin using crossfire. We will have the results after the break. We also have the outrage of the day. Im always outraged by liberal denial. Youll see the latest example next. No matter what kind of business you own, at t Business Experts can help keep it running. Seamlessly. So you can get back to what you love. When everyone and everything works together, business just sings. 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I would like to point out that ambassador stevens was not murdered, he died of smoke inhalation of a safe room in that cia installation. The fact is, there never would have been a fire if terrorists had not attacked the benghazi post. They did. Ambassador chris steins stevens died. It was murder. No amount of liberal denial will make it anything else. I will not argue with you about that. Im outraged by congressman john fleming. Now, he was asked about our veterans who are dying while on the waiting list at the va. This is a terrible scandal. Everybodys upset about it, both parties are outraged. Nobody should use the strategy, though, to score cheap political points, except fleming, who said, this is the type of thing you would see from, you guessed it, obamacare. Look, first of all, obamacare is saving lives right now, but you know whats really killing people . Ask the 40 governors blocking the expansion of medicaid, denying coverage to 20 million people. That could kill about 6,000 people a year and one of the governors whos doing it, congressman, is in louisiana. If youre concerned about politicians messing up health care, start by giving your governor, bobby jindal, a call. Well debate that later. Lets check on our fire back results. Should fellow nba owners force Donald Sterling to sell his team . Right now, 35 of you say yes. 65 of you say no. How would you two vote . I would vote yes. I would vote yes. I think its pretty clear, the statement from the Mayors Office said we still believe a change in the organization is good for our city and for our players. Id like to see more ongoing penalty penalties and see him rehabilitate himself. Listen, very good. Thank you, Jamaal Anderson and you, jackson jr. Debate will continue online. From the left, im dan jones. From the right, im Newt Gingrich. Join us tomorrow for crossfire and tomorrow at 3 30, ill be answering questions on facebook. Erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Next, new video tonight of the girls held hostage in nigeria. The terrorist group says its going to negotiate. Should it happen . Plus, l. A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling speaks exclus e exclusively to cnn, slams Magic Johnson again. And the American Navy has new questions about the evidence tonight. Lets go outfront. Good evening, everyone, im erin burnett, and outfront tonight, we begin with the breaking news out of New Hampshire tonight, a search under way for victims after a home exploded on live television. Officers were first called to this